Yep still don't understand.

Do you at least understand the concept of loving someone, wanting to be with that person, etc.?

Miss CA and Miss NC may be beautiful but they come in a long second to my Mrs Universe (aka Mrs. AD). 

Yep I am happily married. 

Good, now put yourself in the shoes of a gay man, and you love someone, as much as you do your wife. 

As my friend would say, "Smart man!"

And that's where I cannot go (does not compute).  

It doesn't make any sense to me.  I have known and know several gay couples.  One thing I find confusing is their always seems to be the more masculine partner and a more feminine partner (whether male or female that resembles the hetero couples).  Someone in these partners is contradicting their physical being whether it's their masculinity or femininity (gay men or women). 

I cannot look at another man in the same way because it is (imo) demeaning to one of our masculinity.  In my heterosexual relationship I can be my masculine self and my wife can be her feminine self without either one of us contradicting our physical being. This balance allows the ish (hebrew for man) and ishah (hebrew for woman) to become adawm (the original creation). I support people the right to choose their lifestyle but just like Miss CA I do not support gay marriages. 

gah, double post.  Hmmm, must be two for one day on JU for me as this has happend on a couple threads now.

Alright, then lets say you are not married, but with your wife and you want to marry her more than anything.

Their physical look perhaps, and in some cases their biological being as well; however, just because you're physically male or female, doesn't mean that you are - to a point. Let me explain it by saying that humans as a whole are one whole being, but comprised of different parts. They are: Biological/Physical, Mental/Psychological, etc. Each aspect may be one way, but the dominant one will prevail.

Ex: My friend David. He is, by all senes, female. However, he thinks, etc. as a male. Try as he might, he just does not find women appealing.

I wasn't aware young children had the option of choice considering the person raising them is the sole source of information about the world.  As they grow older they may indeed figure out how to change...but instilling in a toddler why certain people are bad is going to leave a huge imprint on their mind.

You're blowing this out of proportion.  Teaching a kid to eat healthy is a little different from teaching them that gay people are evil.  Then again, maybe you don't see it that way...I don't have kids so I don't understand anyway.  My opinions are null and void.

I figure teaching world views should be met with open discussion and thoughtful reasoning.  Where you can teach kids that's it's a good thing to be respectful- practical social knowledge, it's a little messed up to force them to believe what you believe-believe in my way or I disown you.  The latter is more of a personal choice in my opinion.  If I ever get around to having kids, I'm going to implement that strategy...which is not to say I'm not going to be persuasive with my philosophies, but if they have differeing opinions on certain subjects, it's not my place to override that with my perceived moral superiority.  Safety and health related topics are another matter altogether...I will enforce those with my iron parent fist.

I mean extreme as in so strong in their beliefs they go crazy...far off the beaten path of normal religion.  I didn't say all Christians are like Islamic extremists just as all Muslims are not extremists.  There are Christian extremists out there and yes they betray the consensus on the religion.  All religions have crazy people in them.  Christianity is not exempt from that.

Apparently you didn't know that Perez Hilton is a douchebag.

I don't think anyone's asking you to do that.  They just want to marry each other.  I see no problem with it.

Sure it makes you an enemy, a political one that is.  As tempers flare people say things.  That's the way it's always been...humans tend to get all emotional and attack each other when they're passionate about things...don't ask me for the justification.  It's just people acting like people.  It may suck, but that's what they do.

Actually straights have the right to get married...that's one up on the gays.  The people are starting to will it...and I think that's a good thing.  It's a matter of time now, I think.  Probably a lot longer for the more conservative out there, but it's progress.

I can make up a new word.  Doogasplox...there.  Now gay marriage is doogasplox, so there's no problem anymore.

Straight people get married, gay people get doogasploxed.

These debates make me write a lot.    Good thing I don't have a paper to do.

I'll never look at a trunk the same way again.

It's been observed in zoos too...even with members of the opposite sex available so it's not like prison gay or anything.    I think that lends creedence to some biological factor...and no one can be held at fault for biology.

~Zoo

Hey wait, Obama said the same thing, where is the outrage?

Rev. Warren: "Define marriage."

Sen. Obama: "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. You know, God's in the mix."

AJ, I'm not speaking of just 'looks' but also relationally in their behavior.  The fundamental aspect of their relationship mimics the heterosexual relationship.  If it helps consider them as roles.  One takes on the more masculine role and one takes on the more feminine role within their relationship.  

Are you saying that the dominant aspect is nature (ie genetic based) or nurture?

Not always actually, that's a bit of a misunderstand/"myth". There are cases where is no male/female, just male/male, or female/female. Also, dominance doesn't always play a role.

My personal belief is that homosexuals are born such; there is evidence and studies to support this.It doesn't mean that nurture doesn't come into play, as well as the choice to act or not act on it (depending on your beliefs, etc.). however, yes, I believe the dominant aspect is biological/genetic. You're either born homosexual, or heterosexual - so to speak.

that is NOT scientifically proven.  That's what we are being told to support this agenda. 

There have been other studies which show environment makes a huge difference.  Every gay I've known or heard about when giving their testimonies have had some sort of dysfunction in their home with family members who they were the most close.  Sometimes the cases were an absent parent.  In many cases, sexual abuse while they were young was a determining factor.   

Of course not everyone who is sexually abused as a youngster "turns gay" but there is a very strong connection to those who have turned gay that had a same sex encounter when young or were  unnaturally masculine or feminine when they shouldn't have been and just assumed they must be gay after being treated so for years. 

There is no gay gene that has been discovered that I'm aware of. 

I believe we are all born hetersixual and choices and circumstances in life make us turn from that.  Even if we feel tendencies toward the same sex, I believe, biblically speaking we shouldn't give in to it.  The same with those who say they are born "angry" or born "alcoholics" etc. 

We make a choice to have sex with somebody or not.  We have no way of making a choice when it comes to skin color.  There's a difference. 

Look what's happening these last 20 years or so.  More and more people are declaring themselves "gay or bi-sexual."  It's getting more and more acceptable to have sex with either now.  I think this has alot more to do with culture than birth. 

This isn't about dominance either this is about the masculine and feminine roles in the relationship. In my marriage there are times I'm the dominant one and at other's it's my wife.  It really depends on the subject for us, for one to become 'dominant' on.

Yes I understand there are studies that support this but it is still pretty inconclusive (kind of like global warming being man made). 

I can see how you could see where Perez is coming from.