Yeah, that's why I don't watch those things.  Seems like we're (as in humans) too obsessed with looks versus abilities.  Money and looks trump intellect and talent I guess.

exactly.  When they have no argument they go after the person. 

sometimes but not always the case.  Look at the recognition of Susan Boyle for instance.  No looks, no money.  She opened her mouth and a beautiful sound came out that everyone recognized and appreciated. 

Well from a straight male's view point...it can't hurt. Like it or not the female form is probably one of the best advertisements for marriage (in a round about way) there is. And don't worry girls it transcends good looks to include almost every woman out there. So as superficial as it might appear, something is hard coded inside most of us to cause a positive reaction. I think most of women don't give themselves near enough credit. You don't have to be a beauty queen to get a response, if you really want one. I would venture to guess more guys lost sleep over trying to get to know you better than they ever did some pageant contestant.

All the above seems much ado about nothing--after all, Miss NC is a hotter chick.

Nothing to debate in the above

except for the "bimbo" part.  I applaud her for standing up for her convictions when it's much easier to hem and haw like the rest of them are doing these days. 

seems as if, while speaking her mind and heart, she's been revealing more of hersself in a much less intellectual sense.

pretty easy to find sources reporting a 2nd set of semi-nude pix has surfaced but i particularly like this one by l steven seiden who's identidied as "seattle spiritual living examiner" on the examiner dot com page on which this can be found.  link

"On May 4, 2009, a photo of Prejean partially nude appeared on a celebrity gossip blog.  The directors of the Miss California USA pageant are investigating Prejean for potentially violating a contract clause against prospective pageant candidates having been photographed "nude or partially nude."

On May 5 Prejean stated that she had posed for that shot as a seventeen-year-old model and that she sees no problem with it, saying that, "I am a Christian, and I am a model.  Models pose for pictures, including lingerie and swim wear photos.  Recently, photos taken of me as a teenager have been released surreptitiously to a tabloid Web site that openly mocks me for my Christian faith.  I am not perfect, and I will never claim to be.”

So, she's a evangelical Christian who is not perfect and has opinions.  Hopefully, we can all learn something from her public controversies.  May we all be tolerant of each other's beliefs, path and appearance."

dunno bout yall, but i'm more inclined to be tolerant of those who show tolerance themselves.  

beyond that, where were her parents while their 17-yr-old daughter was posing topless?  

one possibility is divorce court accusing each other of being gay according to the new york daily news which offers this glimpse inside their ideal opposite-sex marriage link

"Prejean's parents flung a series of homosexual allegations against one another.

In one of the documents, Prejean's father describes a confrontation he had with her mother in 1996, in which "Ms. Prejean accused me, in front of our daughter, of homosexuality."

Another excerpt quotes a court-appointed doctor who said "The mother questioned [within hearing of the girls] whether [her father] was a homosexual or had a homosexual roommate."

Court papers dated May 16, 2000, include the following statement from a court-appointed counselor: "The mother also alleges the father told the girls their stepfather was gay, that all men with mustaches are gay."

Prejean's father "acknowledges talking with the girls about the stepfather's brother being gay, not the stepfather," said the papers."

i'm guessing those of you who were unhappy with me for having characterized this bimbo as a bimbo have never had any direct contact with "models".   models as bimbos (and vice-versa) is a perfect example of fact-based cliche in my experience and professional opinion.  professional as in i was once responsible for overseeing a 40+ person production staff, a number of whom were photographers.   one day i stopped by the studio in the early afternoon and overheard the following conversation between two of their pretty lil models: 

bimbo #1: this is really great thai food!

bimbo#2: it's soo good. where does it come from?

bimbo#1: i dunno...maybe japan?

another day i was approached by a model who'd been discussing this guy she'd met the previous night with some of my editors who then suggested she ask me the same question she'd just asked them:  did i know anything about "a guy named bob dylan?  he's supposed to be famous or something." 

i could seriously damage my fingers and my mood providing you with more testimony but hopefully you get my drift.

i may not be all that intuitive but i'm fairly adept at identifying bimbos.  believe me, this bimbo keeps getting press coverage and pretty soon you will too.

Wow! And I thought most liberals were all about breaking down stereotypical characterizations. I for one do not know her well enough or nor have I seen enough of her interviews to toss her into such a broad group, disparaging or not.

Unless the stereotype is their stereotype & serves to demean those with whom they disagree.  Can't you just feel the love?  More of that change you can believe in.  I just had no idea how much more tolerance & understanding was going to be washing over us after the election of the One who will stop the ocean's rise.

well, there ya go with that thinking stuff again.

but you do know me well enough or have read enough of my articles on this site as well as elsewhere to categorize me as a member of a broad group you consistently disparage?

for quite some time i've refrained from stereotyping as clueless, hypocrites and/or heretics  those among us who proclaim themselves conservatives while supporting sublimation of the legislative and judicial branches to an overarching executive, massive infringement of various individual rights in the name of "security", "morality" and "law & order", conspiring with dominionists to make of our secular republic a theocrasy, enthusiastically advocating preemptive military action overseas as well as employing america's military overseas to establish and defend commercial spheres of influence and endangering our economy and wellbeing by intentionally engaging in what's known as "feeding the beast".

call me whatever you want, but only after you ask yourself with which of our positions would a bob taft (huh?) or barry goldwater more likely agree?

You categorize yourself fine without anyones help, do you really believe it's me doing it?

Had you stereotyped Hilton in the same manner as the beauty queen (sure you called him a douche, but not quite the same) I wouldn't have said a thing, rant on. I just find it interesting that as long as they swing from the political left, they are spared the obvious characterizations, that appears to be reserved for the opposing team. Feel free to judge, Hilton did. I personally like folks that give an honest opinion when asked, not the PC response, whether they are born again or queer.

see, there's the problem.  hilton doesn't represent the left anymore than whatshername represents the right. 

no true conservative wants government involved in such essentially private and personal matters as marriage.  furthermore, for honest-to-for-real conservatives, there can be no such thing as "social" conservativism.

Conservative socialism, on the other hand, is just dandy.

Well I'd have to disagree in part, here's why: While I'm sure there are some gay conservatives out there, I have yet to see a Gay Rights group that didn't support the Obama ticket. Hilton is an outspoken supporter for gay rights, so his agenda is more in line with the left, so in an indirect way he does represent the left, in fact a large part of its core base.

As for Miss California, I am in agreement with you, she does not represent the right. Her answer was nearly identical as Obama's on the same topic. For further clarification an example: Most blacks in California voted for Obama, yet 70% voted no to prop 8. additionally the black population has a very high percentage of religious folks among their ranks? Do they, as a group, represent the right? Hardly. Since I don't know anymore about her political views than where she stands on this one issue, I'd have to say she shares the same views as the majority of her fellow Californians, who overwhelmingly supported Obama, perhaps the nations most leftist president in history. She might bleed GOP for all we know, but unless more details come to light, for her it's inconclusive. No argument that the left wing media tries to portrays her as a surrogate of the right to pacify their gay core supporters, and some conservative would probably love to have her represent the right.