There is nothing confursing about it KFC, unless one wishes it to be. 

Genesis 6.3

"And God said: My spirit shall not remain in man forever, because he is flesh; and his days shall be a hundred and twenty years".

Yes God did.  Not only did God say his days shall be a hundred and twenty years, he also stated that his spirit is in man, as is evidenced by God saying that it can not remain in man forever.  No man of flesh has ever lived longer than those one hundred and twenty years.  When the spirit of God leaves man, he dies.  If you have proof of a being of flesh living longer bring it forth.  

I think it is you whom are confused KFC.  You read a book and rely on not only on your mind to reveal the meaning of it's words, but the mind of others as well.  It is better in my opinion to rely on the holy spirit to reveal it's meaning.

Where are you getting this from?  It's some sort of an interpretation because "not remain in man forever" is an interpretation not the correct translated scripture.  The correct translation is:

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man for that he also is flesh, yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty days." 

This is centered all around the flood and that's the subject matter.  God is saying he's giving man 120 years before the judgement of the flood would fall.  It took Noah about 100 years or so to build that Ark. 

one of the greatest words in the English language can be found here.  It is the word "but"...."but Noah found grace in the eyes of God."  v8

if you go to 1 Peter 3:20 you see a bit more:

""which sometime were disobedient when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah (120 years) while the ark was a preparing wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." 

kfc posts:

First, to understand the correct meaning of Ezekiel, it's very important that we not leave out verse 25, "And I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness, and I will cleanse you from all your idols." Hmmm....KFC, why'd you leave that one out or the rest of verse 26 for that matter? They are so very important to arrive at their true meaning.

Here's the whole of Ezekiel 36: 24-28 from the Douay Rheims version.  "For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries and will bring you into your own land. 25  And I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness, and I will cleanse you from all your idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit in the midst of you: and I will cause you to walk in my commandments and to keep my judgments and do them."

That's a powerful passage that has been fulfilled.

We agree that Almighty God is clearly doing the creating here for the Jews KFC as the part I highlighted along with verse 25 surely points out. But what is it?

Evidently you think Ezekiel has been fulfilled by the United Nations creation of the modern state of Isreal. That's twisting Scripture to promote political Zionism and that's not what Scripture is meant for. Shame on you!  

Interestingly enough, it speaks of creation for Jews by spiritual rebirth through the washing of rengeration and renewal of the Spirit.

Ezekiel is another of those Scriptural passages which illustrates the soul's trasformation by the removal of sin. Besides this one in Ezek. 36:25, Sin is said to be washed or cleansed away in Psalm 51:2-7; Isaias 1:16; Hebrews 1:3, 1St.John 1:7;  as well as Acts 22:16 which we have already discussed.   

Even many Evangelical theologians admit this passage refers to the Jews coming into the New and Eternal Covenant and that the washing and being cleansed refers to Baptism.

No I haven't forgotten this at all...but it's an impossible dream. Just as the Old Testament prophets prophecied, the Messias has already come, that was Christ's first Advent....next time Christ comes, it won't be as the Messias...it will be as Judge of the living and the dead of the whole world.

At Christ's Second Coming, at the Final Judgment, every one in the whole world since Adam will bend his knee before the Judge and be given his eternal fate.

Oh sure, there ain't nothing confusing about the Bible. It's all clear and concise, not to mention factual and spot on.

Why do you find it sad? Personally, I find it admirable that he was humble (or scared) enough to think that maybe he wasn't clean, despite forgiveness and so on - that maybe, just maybe -  he was in need of absolution. That's awesome in my opinion. Much better than some of those high and mighty that think they're good as gold and then do whatever they want. 

How do you figure? Are we talking literally or in other terms?

Israel was founded by the UN to fulfill the Bible's wet dreams? Mind clarifying?

kfc posts:

aldericjourdain posts:

It's awesome to me as well, AldericJourdain. Thanks for saying so.

While we can and should judge Kennedy's behavior, we cannot judge his heart or soul. THat's God's job.

I didn't follow Kennedy's the stories that were reported becasue we were in the middle of moving at the time.

We don't know the state of Kennedy's heart and soul at the point of his death, but yes, I can assure you that if you are turly sorry for your sins (and only God knows) then even at the last moment of life, if you ask for forgiveness and absolution, it wll be done.

There is however, a big difference between rationalizing one's sins and being truly sorry for them and asking for forgiveness and absolution. We just don't know the state of Kennedy's heart and soul at the time of his death. He's dead, may he rest in peace. Enough said on that.

Because the point I was making had nothing to do with baptism nor does this for that matter.  It's funny how you zoom in and everything to you is baptism.  That's not what this passage is about.  Water is symbolic for the Holy Spirit because it has the power to cleanse and wash away..unlike physical natural water.   It's also symbolic for the Word.  Jesus is the word remember? 

"How shall a young man cleanse his way?  By keeping it according to your WORD."  Ps 119:

"So that He might sanctify her, havng cleansed her by the washing of water with the word that he might present to Himself the church in all her glory having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she would be holy and blameless."   Eph 5:26-27

This salvation in  Ezek v25 as a cleansing that will wash away sin is NOT PHYSICAL WATER.  Such washing was symbolized in the Mosaic rites of purification (Num 19:17-19, Ps 119:9, Is 4:4, Zech 13:1).  TThe gift of the new heart signifies the new birth which is regeneration by the Holy Spirit. 

Going by your quote....what part of this don't you get??  Notice who's doing the cleansing?  Notice who's doing the pouring?  I underlined for your sake.  Nothing to do with the physical.  When else have the Jews been gathered together OUT OF ALL THE NATIONS before?  How can you read this and say it's been fulfilled?  Only the part about the gathering is in the process of happening now.  The rest is imminent. 

not quite.  It's being fulfilled in the Jews as the masses are flocking to Israel as we speak.  Open your eyes Lula. 

It's not JUST me.  Any reputable bible scholar will tell you this old and new.  Like I said for centuries bible scholars have been waiting for this.  Had you read them and then saw this happen maybe your mouth would drop and you would understand the astounding miracle that it is. 

yes Exactly.  But he's going to do it AFTER the regathering of them all together.  Continue and read the whole of Ezekiel 37 to get the whole context. 

Yes, but not by the physical water but by the LIVING WATER.  You're stuck looking at the physical and NOT the spiritual.  I don't know what more I can say except for the fact that even Paul says "thank God I didn't baptize any of you." Why would he say that if water baptism was so important to your salvation?  Pretty odd thing to say isn't it?  Why is it we have no record of ANY of the Apostles being dunked?  How about Mary?  If it's so detrimental to one's salvation. 

You remind me of the woman at the well BEFORE she got it.  BEFORE it sunk in.   She kept thinking Christ was talking about physical water when he was speaking about the spiritual.  You're like the paralytic who kept looking past Jesus at the pool of water and saying "if I could just get someone to help me into that water I'd be healed."  Both were talking to the LIVING WATER not understanding it's all about the physical...NOT the NATURAL.  Even Nicodemus, one who was learned didn't get it in John 3.  His Phariseeic mind kept him in the physical realm. 

Christ said" If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.  He who believes in Me as the scripture said, From his inntermost being will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believe in Him were to receive; "  John 7:37-39a

This is that same water that Ezek 25 is talking about.  It's not physical.  It's spiritual. 

no, only those who believe in the replacement theory.  That is wishful  prideful and anti-semetic thinking. 

"Oh sure, there ain't nothing confusing about the Bible. It's all clear and concise, not to mention factual and spot on."

There isn't and it is, as long as one relies on the holy spirit to explain it.  Most however depend on the mind, which is ignorant of things of the spirit.

Just a clarification because JU wouldn't let me edit.  But I meant to say "Both were talking to the LIVING WATER not understanding it's all about the spiritual, not the natural." 

I actually agree Whisper to a point.  The Holy Spirit's leading is a must.  Yes.  But even so the word doesn't contradict itself so using one scripture to help understand another helps as well.  Because otherwise we could be saying the Holy Spirit is telling me something when in fact it's not. 

One way to make sure and "test the spirits" is to make sure we're hearing correctly is to Proof it. 

leauki posts:

One of the things this certainly shows is that you think in the carnal instead of the spiritual.

It all boils down to accepting or rejecting Christ, Who is Truth itself.  

First, Christ is in Heaven reigning over His Messianic kingdom, the New Isreal, the Bride of Christ, the Catholic Chruch. The Chruch is according to Scripture, "the pillar and bulwark of truth." After the end of the world, Christ will come again,... In glorious majesty, He will descend to earth where He will judge the living and the dead.  

The "Holy land" that was promised to Abraham and his descendants is not a physical land here on earth, but rather is Heaven, an eternal holy land.

Secondly, it's not the Church who declared the Jews no longer the chosen children of God...Almighty God decided that when the Temple Veil was rent from top to bottom the very moment of Christ's death on the Cross in 33AD.

It is a physical land. It was always a physical land.

No land in heaven or heaven itself is described in geographical terms. But the holy land was.

And who interpreted that to mean that the Jews are no longer chosen?

Who invented the god who goes back on his word?

This is all about Isreal, but not the physical land of the state of Isreal  but rather the spiritual New Isreal. Christ, at the end of time and the Final Judgment will gather all His children of the New Isreal and take them into the eternal and spiritual "holy land" of Heaven.

This prophecy is about the salvation of Jews who accept Christ as the Messias and convert to Christianity and receive peace. Those Jews back then at the beginning of Christianity as well as the remnant through today who are baptized (spiritual rebirth) into the New Isreal, Christ's everlasting spiritual Messianic kingdom, which He established as the mystical Body of Christ. 

Old Testament Judaism has full blossomed into Catholicism and Ancient Isreal has full blossomed into New Isreal. It's not replacement per se, it's the caterpillar growing into the butterfly or the acorn into the oak tree.  

Verse 24, "For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries and will bring you into your own land."

It's you who is thinking in the physical, thinking this land in Ezek. 36 is the physical land of the state of Isreal. It isn't. You need to keep in mind that from the get-go, this is a battle not of the flesh, but of principalities, powers etc. 

Throughout the entire Bible there have always been nations at war...we learn in the last days, this is going to increase...and it has and will escalate in the time of AC....this is where the state of Isreal figures in ....it's always been a nation at war and always will be.

PEACE.....It's been mentioned that the Messias would bring peace. The peace that was promised is here..But it's not world peace, rather it's spiritual peace within our hearts that came at Christ's first Advent. According to Ezekiel 37:36, this coming of the Messianic King results in "peace to the nations". "I will make a covenant of peace with them"  This is the peace of the New Covenant that Ezekiel is talking about.

It turns out this peace is built upon the virtue of charity, we call love. This peace is built on Christ's summation of all the commandments which is to love God and our neighbor for His sake.  This love was a result of the Redemption on Good Friday. Ezekiel 27 speaks of putting His Spirit in the midst of the Jews (that means in their hearts) and with the Holy Spirit there they will be able to keep His commands and judgments.

God's means of the salvation of the Jews is through the sacrament of Baptism...God is involved with Jew's individual hearts and souls, not the nation-state of Isreal.

We know from Scripture that a remnant of Jews will accept Christ's love.    

"That day God made a covenant with Abram, saying: To thy seed will I give this land, from the river of Egypt even to the great river Euphrates."

1. Heaven lies between Egypt and Iraq.

2. G-d went back on His word.

3. Hence, the promised land is heaven and has nothing to do with Abram's descendants.

Is that it?

That's right Ezekiel 36: 24-28 has nothing to do with the physical and that includes the physical land of the modern state of Isreal.

Again Almighty God is concerned with individual hearts and not with physical nations, like Isreal is. We know it can't be the physical state of Isreal becasue it and all the world is going to be blown up at the end of the world. Think Spiritual, hearts and souls, not physical nations.

God's prophet Ezekiel describes God gathering the Jews from all countries and bringing them to the eternal holy land (of Heaven).   

This will occur by bringing those Jews into the New and Eternal Covenant through the spritual regeneration of water and the Holy Spirit at Baptism. At Baptism the filthiness of Original Sin and actual sin is washed away and they become children of God and members of the messianic Chruch, New Isreal.

The Messianic Church of the New and Eternal Covenant replaced the Temple of the OT.