What does "full glory" mean?

Be more specific.

So is the modern Israel.

How do I reconcile the fact that Israel doesn't practice what YOU consider the "Godly" path with my belief that Israel is a G-dly nation?

I don't. I don't have to. And neither do I have to show that Israel's culture is consistent with Shintoism or Islam. Israel is _Jewish_, not Catholic or Buddhist or Hindu. What Israel's role is is not defined by any non-Israelite religion but by G-d.

And when I see the world around Israel, the fanatical Muslims and Arab nationalists, I do believe that gay pride parades are a vital part of what Israel is supposed to be. Whatever you believe about homosexuality, most Jews, including orthodox, believe that executing them is more wrong than practicing homosexuality. Hence Israel is sending a strong message by allowing gay pride parades.

And what's wrong with homosexual rabbis? You (the Catholic Church) have pedophile priests. (Not that the two are not the same category. But if homosexual rabbis invalidate Israel as G-d's nation, then certainly pedophile priests would invalidate Rome as G-d's church.)

Good point. But do note that in Israel abortion is not, in fact, completely legal (certainly not to the extend that the aforementioned politicians want it to be) and is not being advocated by politicians calling themselves religious.

The "ultra-right-wing" Avigdor Lieberman, who I understand might be one of the supporters of abortion in Israel (he is called "ultra-right-wing" by the media because he is a Jew, not because he is technically right-wing), is not the equivalent of Nancy Pelosi. While she says that she is Catholic, he does not say that he is religious at all. He is just a Jew in the same way that Pelosi is American.

You are contradicting yourself. Jesus can only be the Messiah if he fulfills the prophecy. In order to do so he needs the state of Israel and the Jews. Otherwise, which Jews would he lead back to Israel? Whose Temple would he rebuild?

I don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah. So there is a big "if" there, if I don't believe it.

If he is, he will come back and finish the job. If, as you say, that cannot happen, how could he be the Messiah?

"If I am correct earlier in this discussion you encouraged that we should to be solely focused on Christ's words.  What then do Chrst's own words mean when He said, "I and the Father are one"?"

Anyone can be one with God Lulapilgrim.  It only requires the giving over of self.  When this happens one does become one with God since one's own free will becomes one with the will of God.  Self no longer exists other than in the physical form.  The fact that Peter called Jesus his "lord and God" does not mean that Jesus was "God" when he entered this earth through birth.  Once Jesus gave over his free will to God, he and God became one,  that does not mean that Jesus is God however.   God has always existed, and many have walked with him and then left the world.  Jesus was not the first, nor will he be the last.  Read Genesis if you do not believe me.

Yes, God exists in all men.  God exists in all things.  God is the creator.  No life, no anything came into being without God, God is the alpha and omega, beginning and end.  Nothing existed before god and nothing can exist without God including men.  In Genesis God specifically states that God can not dwell within man for more than 120 years.  No one has the right to rewrite God's word in this, not even christians.  God is "life" and without God's presence nothing "lives".

It's true, some will give over to self putting God aside, and that is very much giving over to "satan" and becoming a child of satan.  After all satan chose himself over God in his disobediance to God's word causing his own fall from grace, just exactly as man did in the garden.  No one however started out that way not even satan.  To each is given free will and choice, and because of that, each is given the opportunity to give over to God and become one with him.  

"Any rabbi can explain why we follow rituals. They don't do anything, they are just to keep us busy and put us in the right state of mind."

BINGO!  This is the absolute truth of the matter.

However Leauki, I would have to say that it is "they keep our minds busy, and put us in the right state of "spirit".

Infidel,

It's easist to understand by contrasting with Christ's First Coming (Advent). Christ, Who is God Incarnate, came in a hidden private manner, as a meek, helpless Baby born is a lowly manger.  When Christ does return at the very end of the last days, it will be publicly and unmistakable for literally everyone to know. Christ's Second Advent is going to be gloriously public and obvious to everyone.  

Let's be clear, there will not be a secret or quiet "rapture" of believers anytime before Christ's Second Coming because that has never been taught by Scripture or by the Chucrh and the reason for this is becasue Christ never taught it.

 What Christ taught is that "as lightening comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man." You'll find this in St.Matt. 24:27 if you want to study it more. And in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, St.Paul taught that "the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a cry of command, with the Archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God."

Pope John Paul II, of happy memory, reminded us that "The second coming of the Son of Man will not take place in the weakness of flesh, but in Divine power.  In short, that's what "full glory" means.   

And he will return to heaven disappointed when he notices that the Catholic Church has declared the people of Israel no longer the people of G-d, and the Messiah will find that he cannot fullfill his task of returning the children of Israel to the holy land because "his" church won't let him.

 That provided a good laugh of truth as did the tail end of it.

p.s. I guess Leauki, we best start packing our bags.  Maybe we should found another land and call it Canaan.

Your first sentence is correct. Alas! Christ promised that scandals would come and they have. The Church has been infiltrated by homosexuals who have made their way into the seminaries and thus the priesthood. The good news is they are slowly being removed.  Your second statement is not correct though as the Chruch herself and every Pope since St. Peter has disapproved and forbade practicing homosexuals in the priesthood and never will. If she did, well, she wouldn't be "the Church".  I never have to be concerned about that because Christ keeps His promise to be with her until the end of the world.

You are dreaming a fantasy if you believe that Jesus is going to rebuild the Temple.  

A nation that is on a Godly path follows God's absolutes found in the Ten Commandments. As I see it, the modern state of Isreal is not living up to them as it's policies and culture allows abortion and accepts the sinful abomination known as homosexuality.

How about Jews killing Jews to establish the State of Isreal? Is that a Godly path?

Let Moses tell you by reading the Torah.

In Deut. 18:15 (I think) Moses told you "to hear" the Prophet that would come and has come. It's way past time for you to obey.

Are you tackling the major difference between OT Judaism established by God and modern Judaism established by man?

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The Hif3il infinitive of the root of the word "Canaan" means "to subdue". From this we can deduce that "Canaan" simply means "low" in contrast to "Aram" meaning "high".

Should be possible to find another lowland.

This shows me totally that you haven't a grasp on scripture Lula. 

There are three times as many prophecies in the Bible relating to His second coming as to His first.  That makes the second coming three times as certain as His first coming.  These prophecies regarding the second coming have alot to do with the Nation Israel.

Com'on Lula.  The fact that Israel is not only a Nation but is fast becoming a Super Power has got to shake you up a bit here.  Not only that but think about it.  What nation is most consuming our news today?  Look at China and India who drown little ol' Israel not only in population but sheer size of their property.  But who is dominating the world's headlines?  Israel has become the geopolitical center of the world in just six decades. 

There's a huge Israel connection.  Even 150 years ago it was very laughable that the Jews would have their own homeland.  Much in the past was written that this would NEVER become a possiblility. If you not only go to the scriptures but also go to Christian writers of years ago you'd see that they spoke of a future restoration of Israel HAD to happen before Christ came back.  I remember reading Matthew Henry's commentary (1700's) about how it seemed that before anything could happen Israel had to be back in their homeland. 

All those ancient Christian writers of yesteryear have been proven correct.  To see Israel in their own nation is the greatest proof of all the bible is reliablie just as we say it is.  This also goes back to the promise of God to Abraham.  God keeps his promises.  The return of the Jews to Israel in 1948 was an astounding event unprecendented in world history.  NEVER had a forelorn ancient group of people managed to retain their identity after wandering all over the globe for 20 centuries and be reestablished in their original homeland.  This even happened EXACTLY as prophesied.  This is a miracle in our generation. 

I know you want to believe the RCC is the favorite now but it's so untrue it's not even funny.  Anyone who thinks the church has replaced Israel has no concept of the scriptures.  They don't have a clue.  Notice who's doing the work here: 

"I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries and bring you into your own land....Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you...I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.  You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people and I will be your God.   (Ezek 36:24-28).

I agree with Leauki. 

Look above at the scripture in Ezekiel 36.  Who's doing the creating? 

Oh, so the veracity of prophecy is based on consensus now? Good to know.

The modern state of Israel is the nation state of the ancient nation of Israel.

That's what it was founded for by the UN.

What's difficult about that?

The Vatican state didn't exist for some time too.

oh my gosh this is hilarious if not sad at the same time!  I think Leauki you nailed it.  It reminds me of Ted Kennedy who wrote a letter to the Pope before he died.  The words "conscience protection" was in the letter as he was rationalizing all his deeds good and bad to the RCC just before he died.  Using a scale he has in his mind he felt his good deeds outweighed the bad and wanted to be absolved by the Pope before he died.  How sad.  It's because they believe it's the Pope who has all the power and if the Pope says you're going to heaven, then by golly..you're free to go.  Die in peace. 

hogwash.  Matthew 7 comes into mind. 

That's not what that says.  Nice way to twist the scriptures.  Your whole response in #633 is so screwed up I wouldn't even know where to begin.  You certainly have quite a mixture of truth and error in there.  I've been involved in many cults and different denominations over the years and from reading you you have quite a mixture of beliefs going on.  It's a wonder how you keep it all straight.  You must be very confused. 

True and he has fulfilled some of it; but not all of it.  Let's clarify first.  God doesn't NEED any of us or anything.  He's God afterall.   He chooses us because it's His will to do so.   He chose to execute his plan thru a people group which just happened to be the Nation Israel. 

good point.  Lula is forgetting that the Jews are still awaiting the Messiah.