The Whore of Babylon
Published on January 22, 2009 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

Does the name Nimrod ring a bell? 

Nimrod was a mighty hunter, of men's souls the saying goes, living after the days of Noah and the great flood.  You can find the biblical story in Genesis 11 but there is also much more written outside the pages of the bible and quite easily attainable.  Nimrod was a leader, one who established his own kingdom, its chief city being Babel or Babylon.  His goal was to unify the people to follow his lead in a revolt against God as they attempted to build a tower of worship to the sun. 

Of course, God stepped in, confused their language and the people scattered settling around the globe as He intended in the first place. 

According to ancient writings the wife of Nimrod was Semiramis.  She later became known as the "queen of heaven."  The story is told that after her husband died, he became a sun god and she later became impregnated by a sunbeam carrying her late husband's sperm.  This, of course, would be considered a counterfeit miraculous birth.  Her son's name was Tammuz.   When he was a young man he was killed by a wild boar while out hunting.

She mourned his death for many days and miraculously he was resurrected (now a counterfeit resurrection).  When he was resurrected he was resurrected as Nimrod in the flesh.  Sound familiar?   This became the beginning of a counterfeit religious pagan system and can be verified easily enough.  Just google any of the names involved and you will see the writings behind it. 

The Harlot is not just a harlot now.  She has now given birth and has become the mother of Harlots to many other pagan religions started right here with the family of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz manifesting itself in many other false mother/child religious systems throughout all history. 

In Egypt we had the mother/son of Iris and Osiris

In Assyria we had the mother/son of Ishtar and Bacchus

In India we had the mother/son of Isi and Iswara

In Asia we had the mother/son of Cybele and Deoius

In Greece we had the mother/son of Aphrodite and Eros

And in Rome we had the mother/son of Venus and Cupid.

Cupid?  Yes, the cute little angel with the arrows we celebrate on Valentine's Day.   The names and places may have changed but it's all the same mother and son worship that started with the family of Nimrod.  Sounds innocent especially when you think of Cupid who is associated with love.   Cupid is none other than Nimrod resurrected and is always seen with a bow and arrow.  Remember Nimrod was a mighty hunter of what?  Men's souls. 

This story is not just a cute little story that has no merit behind it.  We see the history of all this inside and outside the bible.  When the Jews were in Babylonian captivity Jeremiah admonished the Jews for worshipping the "queen of heaven."  He said this to them

"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to other gods that they may provoke me to anger." 

The prophet Ezekiel during this same time period recorded his vision writing this:

"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north and behold there sat women weeping for Tammuz.  Then said he to me, Have you seen this, O son of man? turn you yet again and you shall see greater abominations than these."  Ezek 8:14-15

The Jews had prostituted themselves away from God by such worship.  In the Temple of God itself they were found worshipping Tammuz the son of Semiramis.  The Jews were warned repeatedly to stop and turn back to God by Jeremiah yet they did not heed the Prophet's words.   They  were eventually exiled to Babylon even as Jeremiah wept over his homeland knowing their outcome.  Their temple was smashed and the altar ruined. 

So in effect God gave them what they wanted.  He gave them captivity in a land of idolatry for seventy years.   The principle of reaping and sowing was in full swing.  We always reap more than what we sow and we always reap after a measurable amount of time after we sow.  It may not be right away but it will eventually come to fruition. 

This exile seems to have worked because after the Jews returned from Babylon, idolatry has not been a problem since for the Jewish people. 

The Catholic church has drunk deeply and eagerly from the golden cup that Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots clutched in her hand.  The Reformers who recognized this lost their very lives trying to disassociate and break with Rome's idolatrous practices with the same mother/child worship perpetuated by their own Mother Church. 

All over the globe we can still see the shrines to "Mary, Queen of Heaven" and her son.  The Reformers mistakenly believed that Rome was the Mother of harlots spoken by John in his book of Revelation, but who could blame them?  It's written that the Harlot is drunken with the blood of the saints.  As these Reformers (saints) went to their stakes kindled by the pages of their bibles and set ablaze by the RCC they had no idea that Rome was just another harlot in a long line born to the Mother of Harlots. 

The Mother Harlot got her beginnings way back at the foot of the Tower of Babel and those who drank from her cup were scattered all over the world.  Every religion, every idolatrous observance and every attempt of man-made worship can be traced back to Babylon, the Harlot's birthplace.  She was well matured before Rome ever came on the scene and even now continues to "sit on many waters." 

The RCC, is not by far, the only religion who has succumbed to the seduction of the Harlot.  Many cults, Buddhism, Shintoism, Protestantism, Muhammadanism, and all the other thousands of religions have taken more than a little sip of her perpetual overflowing cup.  They have become intoxicated.  This intoxication is brought about by her persecution of the bride of Christ.  She plays the jealous woman.  Her anger is kindled against the true love of God and so she persecutes those that make up His bride. 

Yes, this Harlot is a jealous woman.  She represents all false religion throughout history and is still active in the persecution of all those who love God and are faithful to Him. 

Throughout all of history God's people have always been persecuted by false religion coupled with godless government   We are fast approaching the time that will peak in what is called by Jesus as the "great tribulation" in which the Harlot (false religious system) rides the beast (godless government) and comes after God's elect in such a way that Christ even said himself "Except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved."  Matt 24. 

 

"My people, go you out of the midst of her."  Jeremiah 51:45

"Come out of her, my people."  Revelation 18:4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Oct 01, 2011

lulapilgrim
So you took a few passages of Scripture and combined that with pagan mythologies found on the Net!

KFC Kickin For Christ
no this has nothing to do with the NET. This has been long established way before the computer age.

Oh really. What's this then if not a few passages of Scripture about Nimrod mixed with pagan mythology?

Nimrod was a mighty hunter, of men's souls the saying goes, living after the days of Noah and the great flood. You can find the biblical story in Genesis 11 but there is also much more written outside the pages of the bible and quite easily attainable. Nimrod was a leader, one who established his own kingdom, its chief city being Babel or Babylon. His goal was to unify the people to follow his lead in a revolt against God as they attempted to build a tower of worship to the sun.

Of course, God stepped in, confused their language and the people scattered settling around the globe as He intended in the first place.

According to ancient writings the wife of Nimrod was Semiramis. She later became known as the "queen of heaven." The story is told that after her husband died, he became a sun god and she later became impregnated by a sunbeam carrying her late husband's sperm. This, of course, would be considered a counterfeit miraculous birth. Her son's name was Tammuz. When he was a young man he was killed by a wild boar while out hunting.

She mourned his death for many days and miraculously he was resurrected (now a counterfeit resurrection). When he was resurrected he was resurrected as Nimrod in the flesh. Sound familiar? This became the beginning of a counterfeit religious pagan system and can be verified easily enough. Just google any of the names involved and you will see the writings behind it. [/quote]

Cupid is none other than Nimrod resurrected and is always seen with a bow and arrow. Remember Nimrod was a mighty hunter of what? Men's souls.

This sure looks like pagan mythology mixed with a passage from Scripture about Nimrod to me.

 

[quote who="KFC Kickin For Christ" reply="44" id="3003613"]The fact is the Queen of Heaven was Pagan. Pure and Simple. The RCC came along in the 3rd century, part of a pagan system and transferred the Pagan Queen of Heaven (Semiramis) and her son (Tammuz) to Mary and Jesus.

The CC and holy religion was established by Christ in 33AD and has been going and growing ever since.  In 1517, Protestants revolted from the Church Christ established and set up their new heretical forms of religion with their own churches which have been spreading this kind of sheer nonsense ever since.

Here you go again....vainlessly trying to connect a mythological queen of heaven to Mary, Queen of Heaven as if similiaritiy are of themselves sufficient proof of derivation. 

Want the full truth? Read my reply 41 which explains why Catholics rightfully call Mary, Queen of Heaven. It's all based on Old Testament history and Scripture. Why don't you rebut that instead of indulging in fancies against the CC?

This story is not just a cute little story that has no merit behind it. We see the history of all this inside and outside the bible. When the Jews were in Babylonian captivity Jeremiah admonished the Jews for worshipping the "queen of heaven." He said this to them

"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to other gods that they may provoke me to anger."

The prophet Ezekiel during this same time period recorded his vision writing this:

"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north and behold there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Then said he to me, Have you seen this, O son of man? turn you yet again and you shall see greater abominations than these." Ezek 8:14-15

Exactly. The fact is, it was the Jewish Church that was polluted by the abominations of idolatry and look what happened to them?

Only 7,000 of them remained faithful and didn't bow down to Baal.

Jeremias and Ezekiel weren't describing Christ's New Covenant Church and holy religion.  It never, ever had an appeal for the pagan world which greeted the new religion with centuries of violent hatred and persecution until Constantine issued the Edict of Milan.

This is essentially what the Apocalypse is all about. The OT region of Babylon was given the title "whore". A spiritual whore is one who at the time has a reltionshipw with God but has fallen into heresy or from the faith altogether. St. John is warning that God's people in the OT were confronted with "Babylon", symbolic for paganism and idolatry. Most fell and the Jewish religion has been forsaken and it has become part of the Whore of Babylon. Now the warning goes to God's NT people, the Church. It is "the whore" who is trying to seduce Christians away from Jesus Christ, His Church and Holy religion, Catholicism. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Oct 04, 2011

 

KFC Kickin For Christ
Mary...... The RCC says she gave birth to God ….She DID NOT give birth to God. She gave birth to his humanity. Not his deity.

KFC, If you really believe this then you are just repeating the Nestorian heresy which claimed the same thing and denied that Mary is the Mother of God.  

Take a lesson in the fullness of Christian doctrine on the Incarnation of God’s Son “come in the flesh”…not from me,  but from the Church Council Father’s teaching what that means. 

Jesus Christ is True God and True Man, a Divine Person born of the Virgin Mary is dogma of Christian Faith that has been handed down by Apostolic Tradition. From Apostolic times, the one, true Christian Faith has insisted on the true incarnation of God’s Son “come in the flesh”. During the first few centuries the Church Councils (at Antioch, Nicea I in 325, and the Third Ecumenical Council in Ephesus in 431) had to defend and clarify this Scriptural truth against heresies (Gnostic Docetism, Arianism, and Nestorianism) that falsified it.

The above named CC Councils infallibly defined the dogma of Mary’s divine maternity which the CC teaches and all Catholics must believe. St.Hippolytus of Rome  (170-235) was the first to use the title, Theotokos (“God-bearer” or “Mother of God”).  Christ was truly in Mary’s womb and was really born of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary.  At Ephesus, St. Cyril, Bishop of Alexandria wrote to Nestorius , “that the Word, uniting to Himself in His Person the flesh animated by a rational soul, became man.” Also, “For it was not that He was first born of the Holy Virgin as an ordinary man and then the Word descended on this man; on the contrary, united from the womb itself, He is said to have undergone birth according to the flesh, thus appropriating for Himself the birth of His own flesh…..”

 And so the Council Fathers didn’t hesitate to call the holy Virgin Mary, Mother of God (Theotokos) which represents a Christological dogma centered on the mystery of the Incarnation. The dogma asserts that Mary enjoys a unique relationship with Christ, that she is truly Mother of the Eternal Word, Who took His human flesh from her.

When Catholics pray “The Hail Mary” prayer, we explicitly invoke, “Holy Mary, Mother of God”.

Catholics typically call Mary, our “Blessed Mother”, which points to our participation in the divine life as adopted children of God. We could not call her our “Blessed Mother” unless she was first and foremost His Blessed Mother.

The Bible identifies Mary as the Mother of Jesus and mother of the Son of God. Even before the birth of Jesus, Elizabeth proclaims that Mary is “the mother of my Lord.” Scripture also teaches that Christ is Emmanuel---God truly with us. St. Matt. 1:23. Christ is “the image of the invisible God..” Col. 1:15. There are also a number of other passages in which Jesus is called God.

The Blessed Virgin Mary did not give Jesus His divine nature or His divine Personhood, which was His from all eternity. Nor did she give Him His human soul, which He received when He became man in her virginal womb. Mary is the mother of a Person.

Here’s the mystery. In Jesus Christ there are two natures—human and divine--- and these natures are united without confusion in one divine Person---the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, in what is called the hypostatic union. Since Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is a Divine Person, that is, God, then Mary is rightly called the “Mother of God”.

To many, this is confusing and thus heretical teachings abound. But Christ established His one, true Church to protect and safeguard authentic teachings concerning the Person of Christ and the Marian doctrine that flows from that. By proclaiming that Mary is Theotokos, the Church Council affirmed that Mary is truly a mother, thus affirming Jesus’ humanity. By affirming that she is Mother of God, the Church not only affirmed Jesus’ divinity, but also the union of Jesus’ human and divine natures in His one Divine Person.  

After Jesus died, history records that St.John took our Blessed Mother to Ephesus, and the ancient ruins of which lie in the central western coast of Turkey. Several hundred thousand tourists visit Ephesus each year and bring away with them the wonderful experience of having visited her home.

The Council at Ephesus was conducted in a large cathedral known as the Twin Churches of Mary and the ruins have been found and are under restoration.  

http://www.andiesisle.com/didsheknow.html

Listen to this beautiful song about my Blessed Mother Mary…she gave birth to God, the Emmanuel with us, and the Word made flesh…. “and when  you kiss your little baby, you’ve kissed the face of God” is one of the lines...

on Oct 04, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
This massive influence of Mary in the RCC system is deadly, very deadly. It's so widespread. It's idolatry and violation of the first commandment.

The Church honors Mary with filial affection and devotion as a most beloved Mother. This devotion is NOT the adoration that is proper to God ALONE, but rather the love for a Mother who always reminds us to follow her Son, so that He may be known, loved and glorified and that all people may be gathered into one family in Christ, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.

The last words of Our Blessed Mother found in Scripture are, "Do whatever He tells you".  

on Oct 04, 2011

lulapilgrim
The last words of Our Blessed Mother found in Scripture are, "Do whatever He tells you".

so?  What's your point?  Do you want me to write the last words of Christ? 

Wouldn't that be more important?  

How about Peter?  John?  

The fact that you even wrote this shows that the worship of Mary in the RCC system is very real and true.  

There's nothing wrong with Mary or her words.  It's the idolatry surrounding her by those out of her control that is disturbing.  

She would want all attention be given to her son WHO IS THE ONE WHO GAVE HIS LIFE FOR OURS, NOT to herself.  

 

on Oct 04, 2011

lulapilgrim
she gave birth to God, t

and this statement again, shows the adoration and idolatry surrounding Mary.  

She DID NOT give birth to God.  She gave birth to HER SON Jesus who was 100% man.  She gave birth to his humanity NOT to his deity.  HE ALWAYS WAS.  She DID NOT GIVE BIRTH TO GOD!

By saying so it elevates Mary which is the whole point isn't it?  

on Oct 04, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
HE ALWAYS WAS.

Alpha and Omega.



on Oct 05, 2011

She DID NOT give birth to God.

This proves your underlying Nestorianism.

She DID NOT give birth to God. She gave birth to HER SON Jesus who was 100% man.

In your effort to escape honoring Mary's status as the Mother of God, you acknowledge only Jesus' human nature and therefore fall into the Nestorius' error.

When the Blessed VIrgin Mary gave birth to Jesus, He was 100% God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. It is a person who is conceived and born, not a nature. What Person was born of Mary? A Divine Person only, not a human person, but a Divine Person who took on a human nature. 

HE ALWAYS WAS.

Yes He always was. That's why I said

Here’s the mystery. In Jesus Christ there are two natures—human and divine--- and these natures are united without confusion in one divine Person---the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, in what is called the hypostatic union. Since Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is a Divine Person, that is, God, then Mary is rightly called the “Mother of God”.

To say that Christ was a human person is to deny the hypostatic union. I can't help it if you are confused about the distinction between person and nature but by now you should be able to perceive the contradiction inherent in your position. 

Lula posts:

Listen to this beautiful song about my Blessed Mother Mary…she gave birth to God, the Emmanuel with us, and the Word made flesh…. “and when you kiss your little baby, you’ve kissed the face of God” is one of the lines...

KFC posts:

she gave birth to God, t

and this statement again, shows the adoration and idolatry surrounding Mary.

It would be a mortal sin for Catholics to adore the Blessed Virgin Mary and put her above God. We don't do that.

In order to attack Catholic doctrine, Protestants make this claim, but it's false and doesn't stick.  

This is plain and simple theological and Biblical truth. No adoration, no idolatry surrounding Mary in saying this.

I gave two Biblical citations which you cut from the quote!

Mary gave birth to Jesus who is God. Mary gave birth to "Emmanuel with us" who is God and Mary gave birth to "the Word made flesh" who is God.

St.Luke 1:35 says She gave birth to God. "And the angel answering said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also, the HOLY which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

on Oct 05, 2011

Interesting convo ladies.  People have been arguing this since the Bible became more available to the masses.

Lula,

How would if affect your faith or ideas about salvation (if at all) if for the rest of your life, you never mentioned Mary in prayer or in service?  Would that be a sin?  Can Catholics who never mention Mary in prayer still be Catholic?

How odd would it be to enter a Catholic church that had no statues of Mary, made no reference to her in prayer?

Just curious. I think the answer is important though.  In my experience, those things which we "can't live without" tend to be what we really worship, no matter if we think we don't.

(And glad to see you are chipper as ever!)

on Oct 05, 2011

Alpha and Omega.

Thank you!  Perfect!

lulapilgrim
This proves your underlying Nestorianism.

oh, so now I get a title?  

lulapilgrim
In your effort to escape honoring Mary's status as the Mother of God, you acknowledge only Jesus' human nature and therefore fall into the Nestorius' error.

No, I never said HE wasn't deity.  I said she did NOT give birth to his deity.  He ALWAYS WAS.  She gave birth to his humanity.  Big Diff.  She was a vessel who carried him into this world as a human.  Somebody had to do it.  She was chosen.   

lulapilgrim
Since Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is a Divine Person, that is, God, then Mary is rightly called the “Mother of God”.

Saying so elevates her to a place she was never ever put in scripture.  Show me in scripture where she's called the MOTHER of GOD.   Anywhere?  Just ONE scripture.  

lulapilgrim
St.Luke 1:35 says She gave birth to God. "And the angel answering said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also, the HOLY which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

Do you see where you're saying one thing but the scripture is saying another?  It doesn't say she gave birth to God.  Does it? You're saying so but the scripture is NOT.    Read it carefully.  I know you're smarter than you're letting on.   

It says.. "he SHALL be called the Son of God." That DOES NOT say she gave birth to God.  So when did that happen?  For help you may want to check Psalm 2 (instead of your RCC dogma)  which reads...   "you are my Son, TODAY I have become your Father."  V7b

When was that?  

hint.  it involved water and a dove.  

Now to clarify.  Mary DID NOT give birth to God.  The RCC DOES elevate Mary.  Isn't there pictures and images all over  the RCC where it shows Mary towering OVER her son?  Isn't that elevation depicted?  

 

 

 

 

on Oct 05, 2011

In my experience, those things which we "can't live without" tend to be what we really worship, no matter if we think we don't.

great!  So now I'm really worrying about chocolate.  

 

on Oct 05, 2011

also...found out something about 1:35 where is says "Son of God"  It is NOT found in many manuscripts.  So it's actually a questionable insert to say the least and something a doctrine should NOT be built around.  

lulapilgrim
It would be a mortal sin for Catholics to adore the Blessed Virgin Mary and put her above God. We don't do that.

Can you show me exactly where it says in the RCC catechism that it's a mortal sin for Catholics to adore her?  

Because I can show you right on the Vatican website itself  where it lists her as "co-redeemer."  

Sounds pretty elevated to me.  

 

on Oct 05, 2011

oh and something else, like I said before so much I could say...

 

Jesus had this very same argument I'm having with you.  Only he had it with the Pharisees.  You can find it in Matt 22:41-46

 

"While the Pharsees were gathered together Jesus asked them, "What do you think about the Christ?  Whose son is he?  The son of David, they replied.  He said to them, "How is it then that David speaking by the Spirit calls him Lord?  For he says, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."  (quoting Psalm 110) If then David calls him Lord, how can He be his son?"

No one cold say a word in reply and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions."  

 

It's EXACTLY what I'm saying to you.   It's the SAME EXACT argument.  

 

on Oct 06, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
This proves your underlying Nestorianism.

KFC Kickin For Christ
oh, so now I get a title?

Yup. You talk just like Nestorius did. Repeating the same heresy.  http://carm.org/nestorianism or http://theresurgence.com/2011/01/19/nestorius-know-your-heretics 

 

KFC Kickin For Christ
I said she did NOT give birth to his deity.

Then read St.Luke 1:35 again "...The HOLY which shall be born of thee...."

KFC Kickin For Christ
St.Luke 1:35 says She gave birth to God. "And the angel answering said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also, the HOLY which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

"...The HOLY which shall be born of thee.." is Jesus, True God and True Man at the same time from the moment of His conception. Mary held God in her womb and when she kissed Him, she kissed the face of God.

KFC Kickin For Christ
Do you see where you're saying one thing but the scripture is saying another? It doesn't say she gave birth to God. Does it? You're saying so but the scripture is NOT.

Yes, St.Luke 1:35 teaches Mary gave birth to God.Who is "the HOLY" if not God? The Son of God is Jesus the Second

Person of the Blessed Trinity...Jesus is God who always was and will be..the Alpha and the Omega.

KFC Kickin For Christ
Can you show me exactly where it says in the RCC catechism that it's a mortal sin for Catholics to adore her?

It goes to the First Commandment of God....Catholics must adore and worship only the One and True God.  It's a mortal sin for Catholics to adore or worship any human.

 

on Oct 06, 2011

lulapilgrim
Here’s the mystery. In Jesus Christ there are two natures—human and divine--- and these natures are united without confusion in one divine Person---the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, in what is called the hypostatic union. Since Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is a Divine Person, that is, God, then Mary is rightly called the “Mother of God”.

KFC Kickin For Christ
Saying so elevates her to a place she was never ever put in scripture. Show me in scripture where she's called the MOTHER of GOD. Anywhere? Just ONE scripture.

In St.Luke 1:43 when Mary visits her cousin Elizabeth, Elizabeth greets her, saying,

'ANd it came to pass when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost. 42 And she cried out with a loud voice, and said, "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?"

It's right there...Elizabeth filled with the Holy Ghost recognizes that Mary is the Mother of God.

As for me, Mary is the Mother of My Lord God too. Is she the Mother of your Lord God?

 

on Oct 06, 2011

Hello Tova,

How would if affect your faith or ideas about salvation (if at all) if for the rest of your life, you never mentioned Mary in prayer or in service?

It would be impossible to never mention the Blessed Mother in prayer for she is a vital part of the true Christian religion. One of Christianity's main doctrines is the Incarnation (which means the Eternal, Almighty, Infinite, Son of God took upon Himself a human nature. Without ceasing to be God , the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity became man at the same time). 

By virtue of the Incarnation, Jesus Christ came to earth and was born of the Virgin Mary. You think of Christ, you think of Mary, and you think of Mary, you think of Christ.

 

 

 

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