I made a very easy case showing you that the end for Babylon and the end for Israel are vastly different.  No reply?  Ok..what about this? What about the fact that Paul wrote:

"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited; Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.  And so ALL ISRAEL will be saved as it is written:  The deliverer will come from Zion he will turn godlessness away from Jacob and this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."  Romans 11:25-27

You have to ignore scriptures (hundreds of them) like this to make your so called case.

Pretty clear this scripture alone  debunks your Mr. Pike who puts Israel as Babylon which is clear will be destroyed NEVER to be heard from again.  How can Israel be Babylon with all the scriptures saying God is protecting and/or will turn all sin/ungodliness from them and they will be reconciled to Him in the latter days?  Just Israel coming into their own nation is proof of this.  

Basically it comes down to this.  Israel WILL BE SAVED.  Babylon WILL BE DESTROYED.  That's basic 101.  Now deal with it.  They are NOT the same.  They can't be. 

Onto the other...Well the fact is that the pagan goddess Semiramis was known as Queen of Heaven and is mentioned in Ezek and Jeremiah which I've included earlier.  That is fact.   The fact is the Catholic Church also calls Mary Queen of Heaven.   That is Fact which you've corroborated.  

This is an AFFRONT to God.  The ONLY Queen of Heaven Biblically speaking is Pagan.  That's a fact.  There's NOTHING in scripture ANYWHERE where Mary is called Queen of Heaven.  God is NOT married to a Queen.  God is King sitting on HIS throne and WE are his bride.  The believers.  

NOW THINK ON THIS....   IF THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN WAS PAGAN IN SCRIPTURE WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD A CHRISTIAN CHURCH IMITATE THAT TITLE FOR THE MOTHER OF JESUS?  

All you have to do is google this stuff and you'll see it's all over the place that paganism has been adopted in the RCC right from its inception.  I'm not making this up.  

This massive influence of Mary in the RCC system is deadly, very deadly.  It's so widespread.  It's idolatry and violation of the first commandment.  She is in most places elevated above Christ.  She's usually at the top with Jesus and God beneath her.  They kiss her image, her statue, her picture, crawling on their knees doing so in some cases.  They pray to her using the rosary.  This is ALL PAGAN and violates scripture.   Every time you pray to the father it's 10x to Mary.  She gets the majority of the prayers yet Christ taught us how to pray in Matt 6.  Nothing like this.   The RCC says she gave birth to God and is therefore "co-redeemer" which is total blasphemy.  She DID NOT give birth to God.  She gave birth to his humanity.  Not his deity.  

Ok.  If I show you scripture will you believe it?  Or will you rationalize it and trample it because it doesn't fit your theory?   I've already told you to read the chapter from Zechariah so I'm guessing you did not.  Because had you read this scripture INSTEAD of this Mr. Pike you wouldn't have said what you just did here.  

I'll give it.  You chew on it.  

"And I will pour out on the house of David (ISRAEL) and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication.  They will look on me the one they have pierced and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.  On that day (end times) the weeping in Jerusalem will be great, like the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.  The land will mourn each clan by itself with their wives by themselves...   Zech 12:10-12.  

This is the repentance that you say they will not imitate.  Hosea like Zechariah is a prophet.  His whole story with Gomer is an example of the relationship between God and Israel.  

God will open their eyes (Israel) in the end and they will mourn (repent) and this will be their final Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) that was also predicted in Lev 23 in the series of the 7 feasts, this being the 6th one.  

Again.. every indication is that God is reconciled with Israel in the end.  Every indication is He is NOT reconciled with Babylon which he will destroy.  Two diff outcomes.  It's all over the place.  

One day, I would love to visit the Church of the Holy Sepulcher that houses the sites of the Crucifixion and the Resurrection of Our Lord. Imagine being able to be right there on this spot of the tomb of Christ. It's one of the most holy spots in the world. No wonder for all the praying, wailing and touching.  Isn't that what the Jewish people do when they are at their holy site at the Western Wall?

I won't bore you with the details of its rich history, other than to say the tomb of Christ came to light when the Christian emperor Constantine instructed Macarius, the Bishop of Jerusalem to build the Church. The Church was dedicated on September 14, 335, and is described minutely by Eusebus, 260-339, Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine, apologist, Biblical exegete and one of the earliest Church historians.

Another point of interest is that the Church of the Holy Sepulcher is built on ground that already at the time of Our Lord had tombs sewn on it. I'm told one can still see inside the church, in the section reserved for the Syrian Jacobites, several ancient tombs of the kokim type that are purely Jewish in style.

So you saw something which you think is a symbol of a Babylonian pagan sun-god and bam...that's your proof....this imagined similarity that Catholicism borrowed from the Babylonian cult. It's an old fallacy that's been spinning around the Protestant circles for years and years.

Same fallacy has been spinning around about the sun-image in the interior of St.Peter's Basilica. Because it's there, Protestants deduce Catholicism is from the pagan cult.

Here is the explanation.

Catholics pray a beautiful litany to the Most Holy Name of Jesus and one verse in the litany is "Jesus, Sun of justice. Have mercy on us."

The images of the Sun in these Catholic Churches are based on Scripture. Malachais speaks of the Christ as the "Sun of Justice" on the great and dreadful day. So Scripture uses the sun image for Our Lord.

DR has it "But unto you that fear my name, the Sun of justice shall arise, and health in his wings, and you shall go forth and leap like calves of the herd. And ye shall tread down the wicked when they shall be ashes under the sole of your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord of hosts."

Your version probably will have it as "...Sun of righteousness...."

Now go to St.Luke 1:78, ""Through the bowels of the mercy of our God, in which the Orient from on high hath visited us:"

The "Orient from on high" is the Sun of justice.

The reference to the Orient from on high tells us to go to Zacharais 3:9 and 6:12,

Zach. 3:8-9, "Hear O Jesus thou high priest, thou and thy friends that dwell before thee, for they are portending men: for behold I will bring my servant the ORIENT. 9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Jesus: upon one stone there are seven eyes; behold I will grave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts: and I will take away the iniquity of that land in one day."

The note on what "Of my servant the ORIENT" means is Christ who according to his humanity is the servant of God is called the Orient from His rising like the sun in the east to enlighten the world.

Zach. 6:12, "And thou shalt speak to him saying: Thus said the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold a man, the ORIENT IS HIS NAME, and under him shall he spring up, and shall build a temple to the Lord.

What you saw in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher and sun-image in St.Peter's Basilica has nothing whatsoever to do with Babylonian cult sun worship.

It does have everything to do with Our Lord, Sun of justice. Have mercy on us on the great and dreadful day.

If you think Catholicism comes from paganism, then you know not Catholicism, but someone's misrepresentation of it.

Some ancient pagan cults venerated a holy book as containing all religious truth (their version of sola scriptura). Some claimed to give "assurance of salvation" just as some of the Protestants sects do. Does this prove your beliefs are really an offshoot of the cults? Hardly, such similarities establish nothing. But that doesn't stop the Atheists from picking up where the Protestants left off, does it?

In the end, all attempts to prove Catholicism comes from paganism fail.

Just want you to know this coming week is going to be a busy one for me so you know I'm not ignoring your responses.

Actually there are two places that claim this piece of history.  This one and another that makes much more sense and shows an empty tomb in s garden like setting. 

I call them the Protestant Version and the Catholic Version. 

The first is this church you speak of and it's hard to imagine this would have been the spot.  It's just a slab in the middle of a church.  Then we went to the outside Garden Tomb and it made it so much real for us.  There we saw a hewn out tomb and right around the corner was what looked like a skull in the rock ledge.  We took pictures of it.  You remember the scriptures say he was crucified at the Place of the Skull?  It's in a garden area and much more likely to be the spot.  Of course the Catholics will continue to hug the cold dark slab in a dark building and claim it as the spot but it didn't make any sense to me or the others with us. 

Neither can be substantiated totally but the guide there told us that the Garden Tomb near the place of ledge that looked like a skull is the most reasonable spot they could find anywhere in the vicinity. 

Made sense to me.   

I didn't even know this.  But yes many believe that not only is Catholicism's roots deeply pagan, saying it's a mixture..some say it's totally pagan.  The whole mother-son worship is just the beginning. 

Remember the beginning of Nimrod was sun-worship and the reason God confused the language thereby calling that place Babel. 

You’ve made 3 assertions: 1--Jerusalem/Israel doesn’t fit the description of “the harlot” or “woman of Babylon” in Apoc. 17-18.  2---Ancient Israel was a harlot but after her exile to Babylon, she learned her lesson, stayed faithful to God and His laws 3---(Unbelieving, Christ-rejecting) Israel today is and will always be the apple of God’s eye!

KFC,

You’re wrong on all three.  

Starting with the pertinent passages of Apocalypse 17.  

[1] ...Come, I will show thee the condemnation of the great harlot, who sitteth upon many waters, [2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication; and they who inhabit the earth, have been made drunk with the wine of her whoredom.[3]...And I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

[4] And the woman was clothed round about with purple and scarlet, and gilt with gold, and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, full of the abomination and filthiness of her fornication. [5] And on her forehead a name was written: A mystery; Babylon the great, the mother of the fornications, and the abominations of the earth.

[6] And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And I wondered, when I had seen her, with great admiration. [7] And the angel said to me: Why... wonder? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast…

 [15] And he said to me: The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sits, are peoples, and nations, and tongues.

[16] And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire.

 [18] And the woman which thou saw is the great city, which hath kingdom over the kings of the earth.  

You should be able to see in Verses 1 through 18, the whoredom is accentuated by the way similar words are repeated throughout the context.

Notice "the great harlot", "a woman", "the woman" "Babylon the Great, mother of fornications", and "the woman which thou saw is the great city" are all symbols of the same thing.  

Yes, some of these symbols could be interpreted to mean ancient pagan Rome, but I have to discard that because when these symbolic descriptions are put together with other Scriptural passages, Rome doesn’t fit. 

For example, here's one passage that shows “the woman” doesn’t fit as ancient Rome. Verse 6...And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And I wondered, when I had seen her, with great admiration. “The woman” can't be ancient Rome because St. John never, ever thought of ancient Rome "with great admiration", yet, he did have "great admiration" for ancient Jerusalem. That may have been why it was such a mystery to him.

St.John describes “a woman" on whose forehead is written “Babylon the Great” "drunk with the blood of the saints..." and was shown "a great city" which I think is ancient Jerusalem.

So, yes, while SOME these symbolic descriptions fit ancient Rome SOME of the time, they all fit Jerusalem and/or apostate Israel every time. Put these symbolic descriptions together with other Scriptural passages and these symbolic descriptions turn out to be Jerusalem and/or apostate Israel.

You’re technically correct. But you know as well as I that The Apocalypse is to be interpreted as a set of symbols that represent various spiritual and physical truths. Some, like Mr. Pike and me, think those descriptions in Apoc. 17-18 represent Jerusalem and Israel. Put those symbolic descriptions together with other Scriptural passages (as shown in my reply 29) and the connection of both ancient and modern day apostate Jerusalem/ Israel to “Babylon the Great” is unmistakable.

Here’s how St. John links "the great harlot", "a woman", "the woman" "Babylon the Great, mother of fornications", and "the great city” to  Babylon.

Apoc. 11:8, the dead bodies of the two witnesses "lie in the streets of  “the great city” (hey polis megaley Greek) which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified”. This unmistakably implies that “Babylon” and “the great city are the same city… Jerusalem.

17:5 says on the woman’s (who is the great city) forehead a name is written, "Babylon the Great" and 7 times other Scriptural passages refer  to "Babylon" as "the great city".

17:1-2, "....Come I will show you the judgment of the great harlot, ….."

Isaias 1:21 accused Jerusalem of harlotry. We know “the great city” refers to Jerusalem, so it follows “the judgment of the great harlot” refers to the judgment of  Jerusalem.

17:18, “And the woman which thou saw is the great city, which hath kingdom over the kings of the earth.”  “….the great city…” here is the same Greek hey polis megaley which use clearly refers to Jerusalem.

18:24; 16:6, “And in her (“the woman which thou saw is the great city) was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.”

KFC, So there you have it…the object of God’s judgment is the great city “that shed the blood of the prophets and saints." Goes exactly with Apoc. 17:6 “And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (as related in the Book of Acts).

“The great city” that shed the blood of the prophets and saints is also “the harlot”, “the woman”, and “Babylon the Great” which was St. John’s code for Jerusalem.

Connect that to Apoc. 18 and St. Matt. 23 for more proof….

18: 10, “Standing afar off for fear of her torments, saying alas! Alas! that great city Babylon, that mighty city; for in one hour is thy judgment come.”

18:19, “And they cast dust upon their heads and cried, weeping and mourning, saying, Alas! alas! that great city wherein all were made rich, that had ships at sea by reason of her prices, : for in one hour she is made desolate.”

Our Lord Jesus said the same when He spoke of Jerusalem.

In St. Matt. 23  Jesus announced the 7 woes upon the religious leaders of Jerusalem. You know those religious leaders, the Pharisees that assumed the Seat of Moses, as well as the ones who totally rejected the Supernatural Messias Christ, saying “We have no king but Caesar”!  

Verses 37-39,  Of  Jerusalem, Christ said, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killed the prophets and stoned them that are sent to you! How often would I have gathered together thy children as the hen does gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldst not.  38 Behold your house shall be left to you, desolate. 39 For I say to you, you shall not see me from now until you shall say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”

KFC, Israel shall be made “desolate”. Where did we hear that before?  How does that tie Israel to the harlot and show the judgment that is upon her. Apoc. 17: [16] And the ten horns which thou saw in the beast: these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire.

St. Matt. 23:39 is most interesting.

“For I say to you, you shall not see me from now until you shall say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”

I just did. 

KFC, I know many Saints were martyred in ancient Rome, but who of the prophets were killed there?

Apoc.18: 24 better fits Jerusalem, that is, if you understand  what Jesus said to the Pharisees. St.Matt. 23:29-39

Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; that build the sepulchres of the prophets, and adorn the monuments of the just, [30] And say: If we had been in the days of our Fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

[31] Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets. [32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell? [34] Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: [35] That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.

[36] Amen I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation. [37] Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not? [38] Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate. [39] For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Yes, Israel was confronted with ancient Babylon, but remember that here in St.John’s Revelation, “Babylon” is a whore. The biggest sin of “Babylon” is mentioned in verse 23. “all nations were deceived by thy sorcery.” Well, under the Davidic Covenant, Jerusalem (Sion), was to be a light to the nations, a beacon that would point them to the true God. But instead of telling the truth to the nations, as Christ did, Jerusalem deceived them, not living up to the covenantal responsibilities of David’s heirs, in fact, she killed those prophets who tried to.  

In Apoc.18: 24 And in her was found the blood of the prophets and of saints and of all that were slain upon the earth.

St. John writes: “And in her” was found…”  Here the Angel declares that in her, that is, in the Whore, “was found the blood of the prophets and of saints and of all that were slain upon the earth.”

Also note the connection of  the last part of v. 24, “of all that were slain upon the earth” and  that of St.Matt. 23:35…it’s almost the same…[35] That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.

The Whore here is Jerusalem.

God judged ancient Babylon and God judged Jerusalem in 70AD. Since then Israel’s house is desolate. This part, in the symbolic manner of Apoc. 17-18, the Whore of Babylon part, that is, the apostate part of Israel that rejected and continues to reject Christ is no longer the apple of God’s eye.

 Israel with its Torah-based priestly Jewish religion, at the moment the Temple was rent from top to bottom, is done. Israel’s house, the Mosaic Church of the Children of Israel set forth in the Torah (Pentateuch) followed by the destruction of the Temple with the single Altar is gone.

The prophets and the faithful remnant of Jews fulfilled the divine mission of Old Testament Judaism. The mission ended with the coming of the predicted Supernatural Messias, the Christ in the Person of Jesus, true God and true Man.

For God it used to be ALL ABOUT ISRAEL, but it’s not all about Israel any longer.  It’s now all about Christ and the New Covenant in His Blood. 1Cor. 11:23-26.

The modern state of Israel is not the apple of God’s eye, but individual Jews who repent, convert to Christ and follow His commands ARE.  St. Paul and The Book of Acts teach this very well.     

Our Lord said, “You are either with Me or against Me.”  Modern Israel is against Christ, this cannot be denied. Almighty God is no respecter of states or nations or cities.

Mr. Pike did a good job laying this all out. Here is part of it again.

Scripture also describes only one city as center of world rule in the last days, and that is Jerusalem. Paul states clearly that the anti-Christ will declare his one-world authority from the temple at Jerusalem, where he proclaims he is God. (2 Thess. 2:4) When the two witnesses resist him, they do not battle a papal anti-Christ but “the wicked profane prince of Israel” in Jerusalem. (Ezek. 21:25) These scriptures point to Jerusalem as the epicenter of one-world rebellion against God; Jerusalem and Babylon are one!

Modern Judaism is Babylonian

There is more depth to the metaphor. Judaism literally is Babylonian, more than nearly any other religion or culture. Most of its religious laws and traditions, including the Babylonian Talmud and Zohar (Kabbalah), come from nearly 1,600 years Jews spent on the fertile plains of Shinar. Few religions have a deeper tradition of occult. Revelation describes Babylon the Great deceiving the world through her “sorceries” and the Jewish encyclopedias tell us it was Judaism which carried Babylon’s black arts, demonology and astrology to the West.

This is as true today as ever. Jewish supremacism today is not only erecting a political, financial, commercial world empire but spewing filth on the nations through their movie and TV media. (link to Jews in media article) They spearhead freedom-destroying, pro-homosexual hate crimes laws worldwide and abet all forms of left-wing and anti-Christ radicalism through their “civil liberties” fronts such as ADL, ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

And just as “Babylon the Great” will deceive the world, so Jewish leaders today present a whitewashed façade to Christians and the world – an illusion of goodness that has never been more convincing or scrupulously maintained. The Jewish lobby deceived Christians into unquestioning support of Israel’s ambitions and atrocities in the Mideast; this is awesome evidence of the manipulative influence Jewry will enjoy as we draw even closer to the end. When Christ warned that the delusions of the end time would be so irresistible that “even the very elect” could be deceived, He was speaking of our day!

In our day we witness the continuing and monstrous complications of that great divorce of Christ from his chosen bride millennia ago. We are not simply approaching the foothills of anti-Christ. We are in them. Through intrigue and deception, the control and commercialism of “ Babylon the Great” has come surround us. Yet we have not perceived it. We have, in fact, assisted it.

Babylon is now.

How should Christians respond to the fact that Israel and Babylon are one? Jesus tells us the answer. "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues, for her sins have piled up as high as heaven…" (Rev. 18:4-5)

Yes, it is fact; Catholics call Our Lord's Blessed Mother, Queen of Heaven. And rightly so, for Queen of Heaven is who she is and will be throughout eternity, that is there shall be no end to her reign.   

No it isn't.  

True, not directly.....but oh yes, it's there indirectly.  

Also, I must remind you there is nothing in Scripture ANYWHERE where God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost is called the Blessed Trinity either. Where did non-Catholics get that dogmatic, infallible Truth? It wasn't from just reading Scripture, you know “the Bible only” mindset!! It was from Catholicism. When the Protestant forefathers revolted from the Church, they took with them some of the Church's dogmatic Truths (but I digress!). Anyway, just as the Blessed Trinity is dogmatic Truth, the Blessed Mother Mary, Queen of Heaven is dogmatic Truth, a dogma of the one true Faith of Christ.

Here, from the link I posted earlier, is a complete explanation why Catholics call Mary, Queen of Heaven and how it’s found in Scripture.

In Scripture we see many archetypes, that is, an image from which later forms develop; a foreshadowing of something in the future and we see as an early model. Catholics see the Blessed Mother Mary through 3 archetypes…the Ark of the Covenant, the New Eve, and Queen of Heaven. 

Mary, Ark of the Covenant……The OT Ark of the Covenant had 3 things in it…the Ten Commandments, (written word of God), Manna, and Aaron’s staff. It was kept in the Holy of Holies in the Temple and became the central focus of ancient Jewish life. If those things in the Ark of the Covenant are central and centrally connected to God and contained in a very certain way to this vessel, then how much more is Mary who actually in her womb contained God Himself?  As we had the Ark of the Covenant of the OT carry the word of God, so we have the Ark of the Covenant of the New NT, Mary herself carrying the actual God Himself, the Living Word, the Logos.

Mary as the NT Ark of the Covenant is an incredible beautiful reflection. God gave instructions how the OT Ark of the Covenant was to be fashioned, so pure and undefiled that no one was allowed to touch it. All the more pure and holy was Mary, who carried God in her very body. That’s why we call her “Immaculate Mary”.

Mary, the New Eve….Genesis tells us that God forbade Eve to eat of the certain tree and she essentially said “No” and disobeyed Him and as a result the whole human race fell from God’s original Grace, but He promised a Redeemer. Later, God sent Gabriel to the Virgin Mary and proposed that she should conceive and bring forth a Son and the Virgin Mary essentially said, “Yes”, her “fiat”..”be it done to me according to thy word.” When she said “Yes”, she reversed Eve’s “No” and brings the path of redemption to the whole human race…the Redeemer conceived in her womb.

So from this we understand that Mary is central to salvation. Because of her cooperation, the Blessed trinity invites her into salvific action and she says, “Yes”. Like the Grace offered to Our Blessed Mother Mary, every one of us is invited to cooperate with Grace of God. It’s up to us to say “Yes”, and Mary becomes our role model.

Mary, Queen of Heaven….Over a hundred times, the Gospels refer to “the Kingdom of Heaven”.  When Our Lord was before Pilate, he asked Jesus, “art thou King of the Jews?”  And Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world…but now my kingdom is not from here.”  Pilate asked, “Are you a King then?” And Jesus answered, “Thou sayest I am a King. For this was I born……”. Then Pilate went out to the Jews and asked  who he should release as was the custom. He said, “…will you therefore, that I release unto you the King of the Jews?” 

"The King of the Jews"....And that relates to the archetype image of the Old Testament kingdom of the people of God. Israel is established as a kingdom. It has a king and moves through a line of kings, rulers, Temple, priesthood..all things that go into the kingdom of God’s chosen people.

Our Lord spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven and it becomes clear the Kingdom of Heaven becomes a model for the Kingdom here on earth. In the “Our Father” prayer, “thy kingdom come.” The earthly kingdom is an archetypal vision, a projection into the future,  …this time the projection is in Heaven. What was in the earthly kingdom of the Old and New Covenant people of God is an archetype for the Kingdom of Heaven. There was the Temple on earth and Apocalypse speaks of the Temple in Heaven. The Lamb that was sacrificed on earth is the Lamb in Heaven.  Christ was the King on earth, now is the King in Heaven.

In the earthly kingdoms, the king has a queen. Unlike the medieval or European role of king and queen being husband and wife, in the Old Testament, the Queen is not the King’s wife, but the King’s mother. That’s who the Queen is, check it out.

In I and 2 Kings, in the introduction to the reigns of the kings of Judah, the name of the king’s mother is almost always recorded. The importance attached to the mother’s name is explained by the fact that it is the king’s mother and not his wife who exercises the functions of queen. Her spheres of influence are not specified but one can glean of a high “matrocinium” she exercises in the affairs of state.

King David and Bathsheba’s son is Solomon. When Solomon is king, his mother Bathsheba is queen. Solomon has his mother sit beside him on the throne. Don’t know the exact passage, but some one comes and asks a favor of  Solomon but asks the queen instead because Solomon will not deny a request from the queen.

The institution of the queen mother seems to have been peculiar to the kingdom of Judah. There is no trace of this institution in the chronicles of Israel.

Go back to when the Angel Gabriel was sent to the Blessed Virgin Mary. He told her she would conceive and bear a Son and His name Jesus. 1:32-33, “He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God shall give Him the throne of David his father. And He shall reign in the house of Jacob forever. And of His kingdom there shall be no end.”

Right here we know, Our Lord Jesus Christ is King of His earthly Kingdom of His New Covenant people and of His Heavenly Kingdom which will last forever.

Once the Blessed Mother died, she went to Heaven and becomes Queen of the Kingdom of Heaven. Psalm 44 is about the excellence of Christ’s kingdom and the endowments of His Church. Verse 9, …the queen stood on thy right hand, in guilded clothing surrounded by variety.”

The Old Testament archetype of the Kingship of Christ and Queenship of Mary is now complete.

you are so messed up here Lula...it would take me forever to straighten you up.  To be honest, it's just too much work.  I gave you easy to understand logic keeping it simple but you drown me with your many words and scriptures which are all skewed.  For instance when you say John looked at Rome with admiration and he would NEVER do that.  Do you know the word in the Greek?  It's not the "admired" we use today.  

Stuff like that.  You're just trying to twist the scriptures to make them say what you wish them to say rather than read the plain scriptures.  

This is all religious mumbo jumbo you're trying to feed me.  It's not exegeting  the scriptures correctly at all. But trying to make them fit your RCC agenda.  

Good luck with that.  

Like I ASKED earlier (and you ignored) WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD A "CHRISTIAN" CHURCH CALL THE MOTHER OF JESUS THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN WHEN THE ONLY QUEEN OF HEAVEN IN SCRIPTURE WAS PAGAN IDOLATRY?  

Also, ignored.. WHY ALSO IS IT VERY CLEAR THAT BABYLON WOULD BE DESTROYED FOREVER BUT NOT ZION (JERUSALEM) WHICH WILL LIVE ON FOR ALL ETERNITY.  HOW CAN THEY BE THE SAME IF THERE IS TWO DIFFERENT OUTCOMES?  

Have Patience.  Your post 32 was loaded and it is going to take some time to respond.

As far as the first part of your question,  WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD A "CHRISTIAN" CHURCH CALL THE MOTHER OF JESUS THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN, my #41 reply answers that in full. 

Btw, so now the Catholic Church is Christian in parenthesis!!! Ha, ha, ha, I'm laughing myself off my chair! (And you say I'm the one messed up and needs straightening!!!).  

OK...back on my chair and moving on.....

The second part of your question, WHEN THE ONLY QUEEN OF HEAVEN IN SCRIPTURE WAS PAGAN IDOLATRY?, has nothing whatsoever to do with the first part of your question. Let me repeat that, Nothing whatsoever to do with Mary, Queen of Heaven. 

There is no connection, no parallel and that's what I said in reply #30 when I objected to your nonsensical, unreasonable  attempt to make one. All it is is an attempt to discredit Catholicism. 

But this has been going on for years. Adversaries have given pagan mythologies that have gods with sons on earth or virgin-born saviors. But so what? They are devoid of reality, while the fact of the Incarnation of Our Lord emerges unscathed.  Bottom line: there is no connection between them.  As a parallel, it is altogether deficient. 

In your article you write:

So you took a few passages of Scripture and combined that with pagan mythologies found on the Net! 

Pagan mythologies are characterized chiefly by the complete absence of an historical element. 

Same thing here with your mythical non-historical Semiramis so called queen of heaven.  The pagan legends make her a goddess associated with all that is licentious and immoral. The Blessed Mother Mary was a real historical person. The historical Mary, Queen of Heaven, has never been regarded as a goddess, and was the purest woman who ever set foot on this earth.  

No comparison, no connection, no parallel..just a stab at militating against Catholicism.

no this has nothing to do with the NET.  This has been long established way before the computer age.  

this is pagan mythology itself.  You're taking someone and making her what she was never to begin with.  She was never the purest woman who ever set foot on this earth.  Show me where this is historical fact.  The only one who makes this claim is the RCC itself.  She was human, therefore she WAS not pure.  The ONLY one that was pure was JESUS.  

So in other words...you can't show me.  It's just coming from Catholicism.  How convenient.  Makes it true then?  

You say it's there indirectly and tried to compare it to the trinity.  There's no comparison.  The trinity is spelled out even if the word "trinity" isn't there.  It's clear from the first chapter of the bible to the end of the book that there's a Father, Son & Holy Spirit threesome.  The Holy Spirit is even called God.  Jesus is called God and of course the Father is God.   There's no such clarity when it comes to Mary being the queen of heaven. In fact there's a scripture that comes right out and says "Jerusalem is the mother of us all."  Not Mary.  Even in Genesis it comes right out and says Eve was the mother of all living.  Doesn't say anything like that about Mary.  Jesus himself brought Mary down to perspective when a woman from the crowd dared to start the first inkling of Mary worship (Luke) by shouting out that His mother needs to be recognized for her giving him birth.  

So if anything it's really clear from the mouth of Jesus himself who silenced any thought of Mary Worship that this is NOT to be done.  

But, you have your "Catholicism" which by your own words is overriding the words of Jesus himself.  How sad.  This is why Jesus is standing outside of the church knocking on the door.  If they would only let him in...

The fact is the Queen of Heaven was Pagan.  Pure and Simple.  The RCC came along in the 3rd century, part of a pagan system and transferred the Pagan Queen of Heaven (Semiramis) and her son (Tammuz) to Mary and Jesus.  

Some people say the RCC is both pagan and Christian, a mixture.  Some come right out and say the whole system is Pagan.  

That's why scripture implores us to "Come OUT OF HER my people."  

That's why my mother left.  She came face to face with the fact that she was in a pagan system all along.  She loved her church as you do.  It wasn't easy.   But she loved the truth more.  

That's why Jesus said "he who doesn't leave father and mother (traditions) for my sake is not worthy of me."

I'm not telling you this because of any other reason than I want you to see the truth.  You're in a system that runs contrary to the God of scripture.  

The physical aspect of Babylon/Babylonia and Jerusalem/Israel is the same with the same outcomes.

Babylon, the great city of the Bible, is gone, came to a definitive end at the hands of the Persian army. Jerusalem, the great city of the Bible is gone, came to a definitive end in 70AD at the hands of Titus and Roman Army. Both had the same judgment handed to them by Almighty God.  Babylon in the Bible was the archetype of Jerusalem, in the Bible.

Daniel 10:26 prophesies what will happen to Jerusalem in 70AD,  "And after 62 weeks Christ shall be slain: and the people that shall deny Him shall not be His. And a people (the ancient Romans) with their leader (Titus), that shall come, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be waste and after the end of the war the appointed desolation."

Daniel says Israel shall be made “desolate”. Where did we hear that before?  How does that tie Israel to the harlot and show the judgment that is upon her. Apoc. 17:16,  And the ten horns which thou saw in the beast (ancient Rome): these shall hate the harlot, (Israel/Jerusalem) and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire.

The ancient region of Babylonia is gone, and so will modern day region of Israel be gone one day. Don't know when, but it will be gone just like the rest of the nations on this planet if not sooner, then at the end of the world when CHrist comes again to judge the living and the dead, as per the Apostles' Creed.

Almighty God  is no respecter of physical land or nations, including Israel.  It's the spiritual part of all of us, our soul, that He cares about .

St. Matt. 23:39 tells us the one and only condition on any reversing Israel's desolation referred to in Apoc. 17:16,

“For I say to you, you shall not see me from now until you shall say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.”

The Sion (Jerusalem) which will live on for all eternity that you speak of is that Holy City, "New Jerusalem" from above, the Church glorified,  that is seen by St. John as it comes down from Heaven when there is a "new heaven and a new earth", prepared like a bride adorned for her husband. Apoc. 21:1-7.

Apoc. 21:7 tells us who will be in New Jerusalem, "He that shall overcome shall have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

And verse 8 tells us who will not be there, "But as for the fearful and unbelieving, the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, there lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death".