The Whore of Babylon
Published on January 22, 2009 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

Does the name Nimrod ring a bell? 

Nimrod was a mighty hunter, of men's souls the saying goes, living after the days of Noah and the great flood.  You can find the biblical story in Genesis 11 but there is also much more written outside the pages of the bible and quite easily attainable.  Nimrod was a leader, one who established his own kingdom, its chief city being Babel or Babylon.  His goal was to unify the people to follow his lead in a revolt against God as they attempted to build a tower of worship to the sun. 

Of course, God stepped in, confused their language and the people scattered settling around the globe as He intended in the first place. 

According to ancient writings the wife of Nimrod was Semiramis.  She later became known as the "queen of heaven."  The story is told that after her husband died, he became a sun god and she later became impregnated by a sunbeam carrying her late husband's sperm.  This, of course, would be considered a counterfeit miraculous birth.  Her son's name was Tammuz.   When he was a young man he was killed by a wild boar while out hunting.

She mourned his death for many days and miraculously he was resurrected (now a counterfeit resurrection).  When he was resurrected he was resurrected as Nimrod in the flesh.  Sound familiar?   This became the beginning of a counterfeit religious pagan system and can be verified easily enough.  Just google any of the names involved and you will see the writings behind it. 

The Harlot is not just a harlot now.  She has now given birth and has become the mother of Harlots to many other pagan religions started right here with the family of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz manifesting itself in many other false mother/child religious systems throughout all history. 

In Egypt we had the mother/son of Iris and Osiris

In Assyria we had the mother/son of Ishtar and Bacchus

In India we had the mother/son of Isi and Iswara

In Asia we had the mother/son of Cybele and Deoius

In Greece we had the mother/son of Aphrodite and Eros

And in Rome we had the mother/son of Venus and Cupid.

Cupid?  Yes, the cute little angel with the arrows we celebrate on Valentine's Day.   The names and places may have changed but it's all the same mother and son worship that started with the family of Nimrod.  Sounds innocent especially when you think of Cupid who is associated with love.   Cupid is none other than Nimrod resurrected and is always seen with a bow and arrow.  Remember Nimrod was a mighty hunter of what?  Men's souls. 

This story is not just a cute little story that has no merit behind it.  We see the history of all this inside and outside the bible.  When the Jews were in Babylonian captivity Jeremiah admonished the Jews for worshipping the "queen of heaven."  He said this to them

"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to other gods that they may provoke me to anger." 

The prophet Ezekiel during this same time period recorded his vision writing this:

"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north and behold there sat women weeping for Tammuz.  Then said he to me, Have you seen this, O son of man? turn you yet again and you shall see greater abominations than these."  Ezek 8:14-15

The Jews had prostituted themselves away from God by such worship.  In the Temple of God itself they were found worshipping Tammuz the son of Semiramis.  The Jews were warned repeatedly to stop and turn back to God by Jeremiah yet they did not heed the Prophet's words.   They  were eventually exiled to Babylon even as Jeremiah wept over his homeland knowing their outcome.  Their temple was smashed and the altar ruined. 

So in effect God gave them what they wanted.  He gave them captivity in a land of idolatry for seventy years.   The principle of reaping and sowing was in full swing.  We always reap more than what we sow and we always reap after a measurable amount of time after we sow.  It may not be right away but it will eventually come to fruition. 

This exile seems to have worked because after the Jews returned from Babylon, idolatry has not been a problem since for the Jewish people. 

The Catholic church has drunk deeply and eagerly from the golden cup that Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots clutched in her hand.  The Reformers who recognized this lost their very lives trying to disassociate and break with Rome's idolatrous practices with the same mother/child worship perpetuated by their own Mother Church. 

All over the globe we can still see the shrines to "Mary, Queen of Heaven" and her son.  The Reformers mistakenly believed that Rome was the Mother of harlots spoken by John in his book of Revelation, but who could blame them?  It's written that the Harlot is drunken with the blood of the saints.  As these Reformers (saints) went to their stakes kindled by the pages of their bibles and set ablaze by the RCC they had no idea that Rome was just another harlot in a long line born to the Mother of Harlots. 

The Mother Harlot got her beginnings way back at the foot of the Tower of Babel and those who drank from her cup were scattered all over the world.  Every religion, every idolatrous observance and every attempt of man-made worship can be traced back to Babylon, the Harlot's birthplace.  She was well matured before Rome ever came on the scene and even now continues to "sit on many waters." 

The RCC, is not by far, the only religion who has succumbed to the seduction of the Harlot.  Many cults, Buddhism, Shintoism, Protestantism, Muhammadanism, and all the other thousands of religions have taken more than a little sip of her perpetual overflowing cup.  They have become intoxicated.  This intoxication is brought about by her persecution of the bride of Christ.  She plays the jealous woman.  Her anger is kindled against the true love of God and so she persecutes those that make up His bride. 

Yes, this Harlot is a jealous woman.  She represents all false religion throughout history and is still active in the persecution of all those who love God and are faithful to Him. 

Throughout all of history God's people have always been persecuted by false religion coupled with godless government   We are fast approaching the time that will peak in what is called by Jesus as the "great tribulation" in which the Harlot (false religious system) rides the beast (godless government) and comes after God's elect in such a way that Christ even said himself "Except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved."  Matt 24. 

 

"My people, go you out of the midst of her."  Jeremiah 51:45

"Come out of her, my people."  Revelation 18:4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Sep 15, 2011

lulapilgrim
How far have you gotten?
Do you remember that KFC started a discussion series on the Book of The Apocalypse of St. John (Revelation) here on JU? I really enjoyed those discussions.
It would be interesting to know how much is the same or different from the BM study,

Hey Ms Lula...We're only into the chapter 1 verses 1-11...lol.  Since we're looking at the Greek and other books like Daniel, Nehemiah, and Ezek, it's taking a while.  I do remember the discussion somewhat...

 

KFC Kickin For Christ
...I don't think Beth Moore will be too different. My guess. I tend to be really close to her thinking. We both look at the scriptures from an evangelical sense of things. She may be, not sure, pre-trib tho which is basically just timing.

She refuses to say.  Says we're going to cover all of it and she trusts with the help of the HS, we can come to our own conclusions.

One thing I like about BM is when she does take a stand, she tells you why, and then tells you about the other side and why they might think that way....she doesn't claim to have a monopoly on truth/interpretation and admits she's changed her position on a few (non salvation) sorts of things as she's learned.

Love that.

For instance, we happen to agree on the "7 spirits" referenced in Rev Chap 1.  There are many ideas about who/what they are from angels to others, but I believe they are the 7 attributes of the HS (based on earlier references to them). 

"Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth."

I don't know if this is considered "evangelical" but it was nice to hear her say what I have always believed.  God sits on the throne, Jesus at his right hand, and it is the Holy Spirit who ministers to us here and is omnipresent, (but all are still one).  (Not everyone believes that I guess.)

Rev 1

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Jesus has His own angel!  How cool is that?  It says HIS angel, not an angel.  Cool beans.

God gave revelation to Jesus, (as one they can communicate on their own level) who gave it to His angel, who gave it to John.  Since Jesus is The Word, it is His job to figure out how to communicate God's words to us.  He often chooses parables (Things we know to describe things we don't) and in Rev. figurative language.

And I'll never look at "grace and peace to you" the same again.  BM brings up a great point.  Revelation is the culmination, the completion of redemption/salvation/God's plan.  She spends lots of time talking about the #7 and how it is means completion/perfection.  (I learned this waaaay back, ie Tova 7)hahaha

Anway, never thought of it before but she says grace was something the gentiles said in greeting, peace (Shalom) the Jews....it is right and good that this book begins by bringing the two together.

Paul also wrote this way in his letters...interesting....

So we're supposed to ask God to reveal Himself to us every day for 10 weeks.  So I left the study and went shoppin.  I usually pay by credit card and don't pay attention to the total.  (Bad habit I know.)  I was digging around in my purse trying to put the cc back when the cashier says, "Huh!"

I looked up to see what was wrong.

She handed me the receipt.  "Your total is $7.77."







on Sep 15, 2011

She handed me the receipt.  "Your total is $7.77

awesome!  And some say that God is not a personal God???  He makes himself known..those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.  I have numerous stories like this that are just too bizarre to be considered "coincidences."  

Anway, never thought of it before but she says grace was something the gentiles said in greeting, peace (Shalom) the Jews....it is right and good that this book begins by bringing the two together.

Yes.  Knew that.  Also it's always GRACE first and then PEACE and never the other way around.  Peace ALWAYS follows Grace.  Makes sense.  

but I believe they are the 7 attributes of the HS (based on earlier references to them). 

Did she bring up a quote from Isaiah on this?  I agree btw.  

She refuses to say

Interesting.  Most SB go along the pre-trib belief so that's why I thought she might lean that way but wasn't sure where she stood.  

 

on Sep 16, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
Interesting. Most SB go along the pre-trib belief so that's why I thought she might lean that way but wasn't sure where she stood.

I prefer this approach.  As you may or may not know, I have never been a pre-tribber.  I respect that her primary goal is to teach, not necessarily be "right" (win the argument).

KFC Kickin For Christ
Did she bring up a quote from Isaiah on this? I agree btw.

Yes.  lol



 

on Sep 16, 2011

Do you remember that KFC started a discussion series on the Book of The Apocalypse of St. John (Revelation) here on JU? I really enjoyed those discussions.

Do you remember where we left off Lula? I can't remember now.

I think the last one was Chapter 9.

Do you realize that these discussions go back to 2007!!

 

 

 

on Sep 16, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
I don't even know where to start Lula.

Ha, ha, that's exactly what I thought as I read your article and now your comment #8.

KFC Kickin For Christ
You can believe what you want here. But to call Israel the Harlot of Revelation 17 is just bad theology.
 

How is calling Israel the Harlot of Revelation 17 bad theology? Mr. Pike made a good case, connecting all the dots.

Ezechiel 16:15, [Israel] you trusted in your beauty and played the harlot because of your fame and poured out your harlotry on every passer-by who might be willing.."  v. 16 "...played the harlot..." v. 17 "...hast committed fornication..."

Isaiah 1:21 and the other pre-exilic prophets aimed their wrath at Jerusalem: “How the faithful city has become a harlot!" Isaiah 57:3 denounced apostate Jews as “sons of a sorceress, offspring of an adulterer and a prostitute”.

Furthermore, Rev. 17:5 says her name "Babylon the Great" and light is shed on its meaning when we notice that seven times (16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21) Babylon is referred to as "the great city". Other than these,there is only one reference, 11:8, to "the great city". As Mr. Pike has already noted, it states that the bodies of God's two witnesses "shall lie in the street of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified." 

Revelation consistently speaks as if there is only one "great city" ("the great city") suggesting that the great city of 11:8 is the same as the great city in the other 7 texts---Babylon. It seems to me that they are speaking of apostate Jerusalem.

It's right there in Scripture, passage after passage, so how can it be "bad theology"?

KFC Kickin For Christ
it's both figurative and literal. Basically the key to knowing comes down to this: "If it makes sense, seek no other sense."

So if it makes sense to be used literally, do so. If not, the symbol has to stand for something and usually the key can be found elsewhere in scripture.

When you apply your own advice, it makes sense that Mr. Pike's analysis is spot on. Israel is repeatedly characterized as an imperious whore and the Mother of Harlots St. John saw on the beast of Rev. 17 and 18. Babylon the great is Jerusalem.  

Yes, this Harlot is a jealous woman. She represents all false religion throughout history and is still active in the persecution of all those who love God and are faithful to Him.

Okay. The false religion is modern Judaism which as Mr. Pike says is literally Babylonian Talmud and Kabbalah which are thoroughly anti Christ and Christianity. Again, read his comments. Everyone of his points can be substantiated.


on Sep 16, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
First of all..yes, Israel did play the harlot by being unfaithful to God in the OT. What you didn't mention nor did this Mr. Pike is the fact that AFTER their exile to Babylon (Babylonian 70 year captivity) they never did go back into idolatry like they did pre-exile. In other words, their playing of the Harlot had ended with their release.

Yes, granted there was a period of reconstruction and renewal after the exile. They return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple which was completed in 515BC. All along the prophets strengthen the Jews love for God's law and try to teach them that obedience to Him is their only hope of survival.

Ezra and Nehemias point out the centrality of Temple worship and kept alive the hope that a Messias would come from David's ancestry. They demanded that Jews be free from pagan influence especially intermarriage and faithful to the law.

But the priests of the rebuilt Temple were lax in their duties and the Jews again fell away from their faithfulness. They were worshipping insincerely and Jewish men were divorcing their wives and marrying foreigners.

Israel never completely abandoned God for there was a faithful remnant. When the Messias, Jesus Christ came, He found some who were were ready to accept and believe in Him in the New Covenant. 

But you know as well as I the majority of the Jews failed to recognize the time of their visitation. They rejected their Redeemer, Jesus Christ and His message of salvation.  That's why Christ wept over Jerusalem. St. Luke 19:41-44.

 

 

 

on Sep 16, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
In other words, their playing of the Harlot had ended with their release. They had learned their lesson. But playing the harlot (small h) is a big difference than the description much later of the MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS. That's who this woman of Babylon is. Jerusalem, Israel, the Jews...etc do not fit this description. Yes, they were unfaithful at times but not to this degree.

Spiritual whoredom is not a matter of degree. 

Again, Mr. Pike...

Israel was the first to marry God (Christ) and be spiritually one with Him. Thus the position she enjoyed as a spiritual bride was unique to her. Likewise, only apostate Israel can be the “mother” of spiritual whoredom. ..... Only Israel was made capable of a wife’s infidelity. As a result, when she became a spiritual whore, she was indelibly marked, “Mother of Harlots.” Jeremiah said, “You had a harlot's forehead, you refused to be ashamed.” (Jer. 3:3)

And without repentance and conversion to Christ, neither time nor wanderings can remove that epithet from her.

 

In their final and absolute rejection of Jesus as their king, Israel shouted, "We have no king but Caesar". By this public proclamation, the heads of the Jewish nation and the official guardians and exponents of the Jewish religion officially merge and incorporate the Jewish nation into the Roman Empire and surrender all their Messianic hopes and prophetic promise. They renounce the honor of being the chosen people of God and become vassals of the Roman emperors.

At the moment of the Crucifixion, the Temple Veil was rent from top to bottom.

As Our Lord Jesus wept over Jerusalem, He prophesizes the destruction of the city He loved so much. Not one stone will remain upon another and its inhabitants will be massacred. A prophecy which was fulfilled in 70AD when the roman army through Titus razed the city and the temple was destroyed.

The Jewish people were condemned to wander like a woman divorced for adultery.

 

on Sep 17, 2011

Did you read Hosea yet?

on Sep 17, 2011

Did you read Hosea yet?
 

Yes.

I quoted from Hosea in post 6. 

....there are 80 instances in which Israel is characterized as an imperious whore of Babylon and denounced as a harlot or lewd woman. In Apocalypse 17 and 18, the Whore of Babylon is the woman who sold her soul to the world.

This is spiritual adultery and the very reason Israel of the OT was given the title of "whore" by God Himself, as Hosea 2:2-13 says, 

[1] Say ye to your brethren: You are my people, and to your sister: Thou hast obtained mercy. [2] Judge your mother, judge her: because she is not my wife, and I am not her husband. Let her put away her harlotry from her face, and her adulteries from between her breasts. [3] Lest I strip her naked, and set her as in the day that she was born: and I will make her as a wilderness, and will set her as a land that none can pass through, and will kill her with drought.

[4] And I will not have mercy on her children: for they are the children of fornications. [5] For their mother hath committed fornication, she that conceived them is covered with shame: for she said: I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread, and my water, my wool, and my flax, my oil, and my drink. [6] Wherefore behold I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and I will stop it up with a wall, and she shall not find her paths. [7] And she shall follow after her lovers, and shall not overtake them: and she shall seek them, and shall not find, and she shall say: I will go, and return to my first husband, because it was better with me then, than now. [8] And she did not know that I gave her corn and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver, and gold, which they have used in the service of Baal. [9] Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in its season, and my wine in its season, and I will set at liberty my wool, and my flax, which covered her disgrace. [10] And now I will lay open her lewdness in the eyes of her lovers: and no man shall deliver her out of my hand: [11] And I will cause all her mirth to cease, her solemnities, her new moons, her sabbaths, and all her festival times. [12] And I will destroy her vines, and her fig trees, of which she said: These are my rewards, which my lovers have given me: and I will make her as a forest, and the beasts of the field shall devour her. [13] And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, to whom she burnt incense, and decked herself out with her earrings, and with her jewels, and went after her lovers, and forgot me, saith the Lord. .

 

 

on Sep 17, 2011

Lula..

The whole theme of the book of Hosea is God's love for Israel IN SPITE of her continued unfaithfulness.  Hosea married Gomer only to discover that she was unfaithful.  They separated but his love for her, like God's love for his people persisted and reconciliation ensued.  

This is probably the strangest book in all of the bible.  (1:2).  Gomer represents Israel and Hosea represents God.  

 

lulapilgrim
Furthermore, Rev. 17:5 says her name "Babylon the Great" and light is shed on its meaning when we notice that seven times (16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21) Babylon is referred to as "the great city".

Actually 16:19 (the great city)  could be either Jerusalem or Babylon.  It's not clear which.  

It's pretty clear this city in 17:1 and beyond is NOT Jerusalem but is Babylon.  Now whether this Babylon will be centered in Rome or rebuilt Babylon on the Euphrates is debated.  Babylon is demonic.  This has NOTHING to do with Jerusalem, or Zion, God's holy city and like I said before is just bad theology.  Jerusalem is where the Heart of God is.  It's his special place on earth that He has chosen and in the end it says all the nations will go up to Mt. Zion and worship.  It will be the place of worship in the coming age.  Quite a contrast with Babylon (WHICH IS NOT ISRAEL)  Here in Revelation it says about BABYLON: 

"and a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and cast it into the sea saying.  Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down and SHALL BE FOUND NO MORE AT ALL.  And the voice of harpers and musicians and of pipers and trumpeters shall BE HEARD NO MORE in thee and NO craftsman of whatsoever craft he be, SHALL BE FOUND ANYMORE in thee and the sound of a millstone shall be heard NO MORE at all in the, and the light of a candle shall shine NO MORE at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard NO MORE at all in thee for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.  And in her was found the BLOOD of the PROPHETS and of SAINTS and of all that were slain upon the earth. (Which fits both original Babylon and Rome)  Rev 8:21-24

Do you get it?  No music, no worker, no machinery, no light, no happiness shall be found in Babylon anymore!!!!  

 

Now, go to Zech 12 where it talks about end time prophecy about Jerusalem.  Can also see this in other prophets like Ezek and Isaiah... It's very clear God is going to protect THIS CITY Jerusalem.  I'm not going to quote the whole chapter but you can read the contrast between Babylon above and the end times for Jerusalem.  Two different outcomes.  

When Jesus comes back his feet will touch the Mount of Olives (14:4) "which is before Jerusalem on the east..."  

it goes on to say in 14:11 "And men shall dwell in it and there shall be no more utter destruction, but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. ..and it shall come to pass that ever one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from YEAR TO YEAR to worship the King, the Lord of hosts and to keep the feast of tabernacles.  

 

So it's quite clear that Babylon of Revelation and God's Holy City of Jerusalem have two much different outcomes.  They are NOT the same.   One will represent the faithful remnant of God and the other the false or counterfeit system.  One, the faithful reconciled wife, the other the adulterous woman.  

 

 

on Sep 17, 2011

 

Now back to a few points in your article.

......Nimrod was a mighty hunter, of men's souls the saying goes,............ but there is also much more written outside the pages of the bible and quite easily attainable. Nimrod ....established his own kingdom, its chief city being Babel or Babylon.

According to ancient writings the wife of Nimrod was Semiramis. She later became known as the "queen of heaven." The story is told that after her husband died, he became a sun god and she later became impregnated by a sunbeam carrying her late husband's sperm. This, of course, would be considered a counterfeit miraculous birth. Her son's name was Tammuz.

She mourned his death for many days and miraculously he was resurrected (now a counterfeit resurrection). When he was resurrected he was resurrected as Nimrod in the flesh. Sound familiar? This became the beginning of a counterfeit religious pagan system and can be verified easily enough. .....

The Catholic church has drunk deeply and eagerly from the golden cup that Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots clutched in her hand. The Reformers who recognized this lost their very lives trying to disassociate and break with Rome's idolatrous practices with the same mother/child worship perpetuated by their own Mother Church. All over the globe we can still see the shrines to "Mary, Queen of Heaven" and her son. .............Rome was just another harlot in a long line born to the Mother of Harlots.

Ah, serving up the pagan influence fallacy. That was back in 2009 and now this:

Rome perpetuated the false religious system begun by Nimrod, founder of Babylon. That's why we see so many mother-son deities thru history. It all started with Nimrod and just manifested itself into other cultures and religions that began in Rome. Nimrod was the founder of Babylon. Rome is called Babylon by Peter himself. Why? Because Rome perpetuated the false religious system begun by Nimrod, founder of Babylon. The belief in Mary as the perpetual virgin and her co-mediatorship with her Son as enunciated by the RCC is the ultimate perpetuation of the false religious system begun by Nimrod.

So apparently you still think the same today even though it has been pointed that the Harlot is Apostate Israel and the apostate religion which is anti-Christ and anti-Christianity originally came from Jerusalem, not Rome.

So you are still intent to discredit the Church and Catholicism, particularly our honoring the Blessed Mother Mary as Queen of Heaven, which is what she rightfully is, by attempting to show similiarities between it and ancient paganism. 

You charge that since Catholicism is of pagan origin and has been influenced by paganism, is therefore false.  Post hoc ergo proper hoc, (after this therefore becasue of this) is a fallacy.  

Your comparison of the mythical Babylonian goddess Semiramis and her son, Adonis, to Our Lord and His Mother Mary, does violence to reason and history, religious and actual.

This link gives the best and Biblical explanation why Our Blessed Mother Mary is called the Queen of Heaven. If you'll put away your anti-Catholic prejudice you see it has nothing whatsoever to do with ancient paganism. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV?feature=mhee#p/u/1/w1idK66_eD0

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Sep 17, 2011

You can answer back with your "anti-Catholic" rant if it makes you feel better but it has nothing to do with truth.  It's about finding truth..not about being anti-anything.  You would make a terrible scientist.  You disregard truth in order to substantiate your own truth which is what you wish it to be.  Happens all the time.  

If you wish to believe Babylon and Israel are the same.  Go for it.  You can't prove it by scripture.  It's just bad theology.  I'm sure you can twist the scriptures..ignoring others to make it say what you wish.  You've been doing it all along.  

I wrote plainly in this original article about the "Queen of Heaven" and how she was pagan and yet you come back with Mary being Queen of Heaven totally not getting the connection? 

If you want the truth, read the scriptures in its entirety not somebody's opinion of it.  I keep telling you to put away the side books and just read the plain scriptures but you refuse.  

End of story. 

 

on Sep 17, 2011

oh btw... On the ceiling of the Holy Sepulchre (a RCC site) in Jerusalem is a pagan portrayal; a symbol of the Sun God which has its roots in Babylon coming from Babylon's pagan culture.  I saw it.  That's the truth.  We went to Jerusalem in May.  Our leader, Marv, waited for us outside because it's all so pagan and he doesn't care to re-live it but he wanted us to see it. People were on the floor praying, wailing and touching a slab on the floor pushing and shoving to touch this slab so they may receive benefits from it.  It was dark, crowded and eerie in there.  

Rome and the RCC has more in common with Babylon than Israel ever did.  

 

on Sep 17, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
..... It's about finding truth..not about being anti-anything.

Really? Yet you called Mr. Pike (and me for agreeing with him) anti-Semitic.  What is this? Do as I say but not as I do?

But anyway, back to a couple more points made in your article.

The Catholic church has drunk deeply and eagerly from the golden cup that Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots clutched in her hand. The Reformers who recognized this lost their very lives trying to disassociate and break with Rome's idolatrous practices with the same mother/child worship perpetuated by their own Mother Church.

All over the globe we can still see the shrines to "Mary, Queen of Heaven" and her son. The Reformers mistakenly believed that Rome was the Mother of harlots spoken by John in his book of Revelation, but who could blame them? It's written that the Harlot is drunken with the blood of the saints. As these Reformers (saints) went to their stakes kindled by the pages of their bibles and set ablaze by the RCC they had no idea that Rome was just another harlot in a long line born to the Mother of Harlots.

First you use of few verses in Genesis about Nemrod, search for Babylonian pagan coincidences and claim similiarity implies descent. Here you use Apoc. 17:6 to advance this charge.....it's not ancient pagan Rome but Christian Rome who is a harlot drunk with the blood of the saints which are the Protestant Reformers.

But what does Apoc. 17:6, The harlot is "drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" mean?

Jerusalem's judgment is an major theme of the OT and of the Apocalypse (Revelation). Chapter 17 is the description of the great harlot and the beast upon which she sits. To understand the symbolism of the great harlot go back to 17:1, "....Come I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits upon many waters." We know "the great" refers to Jerusalem and this harlot refers to Jerusalem. 

Here the object of God's judgment is the city that shed the blood of saints and prophets. 16:6; 18:24. This designates Jerusalem as the harlot and St. John links the harlot with Babylon. So the names for Jerusalem include the great city, Sodom, Egypt, Babylon and here the harlot.

Jerusalem is revealed just as the Chruch would perceive her. A harlot riding the scarlet beast. The Chruch is the Bride of Christ. And we have already discussed the harlot reflects Isaias 1:21;57:8, Jeremias 2:20; 3:1-25, and Ezekiel's 16:15-39; 23:1-21 denounciations of the harlotry (idolatry) of Jerusalem.

I appreciate your explanation of Hosea but Hosea goes one step further.

Hosea married Gomer who was unfaithful to him. In spite of her infidelity Hosea never stopped loving her and eventually won her back. He saw in his own situation a pattern for the relationship between God and Israel. God was a faithful spouse to Israel, but Israel was like Gomer, a prostitute who went after false gods and fickle promises to foreign nations. Hosea's marriage to the unfaithful woman illustrates the anguish and charity of God toward Israel, the harlot. God was always ready to take Israel back and Israel, like Gomer, could return to the faithful marriage of the Covenant.  To this Israel continuously responds with rebellion. 12-13. Unfortunately, Israel which imitated Gomer in her infidelity, WOULD NOT IMITATE HER REPENTANCE.

The prophecy closes with a pleas for a sincere return to God with the assurance of a pardon and favor. What he's talking about is the hope of a New Covenant based on justice, love and loyalty, which will in the very end bring about a reunion of all of the chosen people. 

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The reference to the harlot "who sits upon many waters" is a reflection of Jeremias' description of the original Babylon whose destruction was a type of Jerusalem's destruction 51:13. Jerusalem was also known for its abundance source of spring water.  

In 17:3, the harlot sits on a scarlet beast that had 7 heads and 10 horns. The beast is the sea beast that symbolized ancient pagan Rome. V. 6, the harlot is drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the marytrs of Jesus.  The Book of Acts makes it clear that in the early days of the Church Jerusalem's religious leaders were the major persecuters of Christians.

The harlot rides the scarlet beast symbolizes Jerusalem's use of pagan. idolutrious Rome to implement their persecution of the early Christian Chruch. (Remember the Jewish leaders said we have no king but Caesar and at that moment united themselves with pagan Rome.)  Jerusalem enjoyed tremendous influence within the ancient Roman Empire. Josephus writes, "the royal city Jerusalem was supreme, and presided over all the neighboring countries as the head does over the body."

Regarding Jesus' reference to the "synagogue of Satan", Judaism was a grave problem for the first century fledgling Church and it extended into the second century until the Roman emperor Hadrian quelled the revolt of Simon Bar Kochba in 135AD. In addition to 70AD, the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem again. Many migrated to Babylon where they stayed for the next thousand years. 

The Jews in large part were following the Babylonian Talmud, which is a legal code written by the Pharisees in Babylon that combined the OT law and Pharisaic tradition. Many of these same Jews had become engrossed in Mysticism producing the Kabbala and the Zohar. All of the writings have one common trait. They are thoroughly anti-Christ and anti-Christianity. So, the same antagonism towards Christianity that began in the synagogue of Satan in the first century continued to brew throughout the first millenium and erupted in the second. 

Christianity is seated in Christ. Judaism is seated in Jerusalem and is hostile to Jesus. Modern Judaism began once Jews threatened to expel from the synaguge anyone who accepted Jesus as the Christ. When Judaism rejected CHrist it rejected Logos as well. It took on a negative identity in that the Jews who practice Christianity cease to be part of the ethnic Jewish community while those who practice Buddhism, Krishna, Atheism, or no religion at all remain within. 

Deliberate rejection of Christ is deliberate rejection of salvation. A spirit founded on rejection of Christ (Logos), can only lead to disaster. This is what Israel the state is today.

It's predicted the Jews following the Babylonian Talmud where enmity to Jesus Christ is present will become a major force in the oppression of Christianity. Some believe the Antichrist will come from the Jewish race and some believe that a new Temple will be built for Judiastic worship in Jerusalem.

So, if there is a more specific historical, apocalyptic relveance to the title Whore of Babylon, it could be said that Apoc. 17-18 is  prophecying that Israel who was divorced from God for her whoredom and sent to ancient Babylon would later emigrate to Babylon from which she would come forth again in the future as one of the main persecuters and evil influences upon the Church.

Whatever the precise application of the Apocalypse, St.John's vision of the Whore of Babylon is worldwide in scope. The Anti-Christian forces have one thing in common ...to entice the Church into sin and apostasy and lead them into spiritual fornication.

That's what Jesus' warnings were about to the 7 Churches of Asia Minor. His warnings to them serve as warnings to us today. 

 

on Sep 17, 2011

KFC Kickin For Christ
If you wish to believe Babylon and Israel are the same. Go for it.

Yes, after study and thought and research and discussion, this is the conclusion to which I've come. 

KFC Kickin For Christ
You can't prove it by scripture.

I have made a good case by Scripture. Do you want me to outline it again?

KFC Kickin For Christ
I'm sure you can twist the scriptures..ignoring others to make it say what you wish. You've been doing it all along.

Ya right. I twisted Scripture. NOT. I gave those Scriptures straight up! 

KFC Kickin For Christ
I wrote plainly in this original article about the "Queen of Heaven" and how she was pagan and yet you come back with Mary being Queen of Heaven totally not getting the connection?

You know this is what upset me the most.

Semiramis. She later became known as the "queen of heaven."

Her son's name was Tammuz.

Semiramis and Tammuz manifesting itself in many other false mother/child religious systems throughout all history.

The Catholic church has drunk deeply and eagerly from the golden cup that Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots clutched in her hand. The Reformers who recognized this lost their very lives trying to disassociate and break with Rome's idolatrous practices with the same mother/child worship perpetuated by their own Mother Church.

All over the globe we can still see the shrines to "Mary, Queen of Heaven" and her son.

This crude, senseless connection of Seriramis as queen of heaven to the Blessed Mother as Queen of Heaven. Oh I made the connection all right. 

I refuted it and that link sets the record straight. Nuff' said or shall we continue?

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