When The Trump Sounds-Will You Be Ready?
Published on September 10, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
Continuing on where we left off we now come to Revelation 7:9-17 which says:

9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:
“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
13Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15“Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16“They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17“for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”


We start off with another worship service not unlike we saw in Chapters 4 & 5 and before the next seal, the 7th, is opened. This is the worship service that will precede the great wrath of God about to overtake the whole world.

In this chapter we see two scenes. First we saw, in the last segment, the 144,000 chosen Jews sealed by God to do the work of God for his special purpose.

This next scene seems to represent all the world. First, we see "after those things." So we can see we're moving along to a different scene. We're moving from one group of people to another. We're going from a specific number to a multitude, a number nobody can number.

The word "behold" is a word of amazement. It's as tho John is saying, "I looked and I can't believe my eyes." He has seen creatures, elders and angels. Now before him is a great multitude, more than he can even number.

We always see two positions before the throne; standing and on their knees. We never see anyone sitting. Notice this multitude is standing before the throne.

Do you remember the promise given to Abraham? Here we see the promise fulfilled. We need to go way back to Genesis 22:16-17 and read:

By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— “blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

So John sees all these that are clothed in white. Earlier we saw a rainbow. So in effect what is happening here is one big lightshow is happening. The light from the dazzling colorful rainbow all around the throne is being reflected off all these pure white robes. God's own glory reflects back to him.

The Palm branches are a symbol of victory. These branches were used in the Jewish feasts. The last of the seven feasts mentioned in Lev 23 is called the Feast of Booths, (tabernacles) or Gathering. I believe each one of the seven feasts corresponds to an event in Christ's first or second coming. This last one is associated with the very end of time. We read in Lev 23:40:

And you shall take for yourselves on the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days.

Notice in v10 a loud voice crying out about salvation. They are recognizing that salvation does indeed come from God. Have you noticed that nothing seems quiet in heaven. Everything seems to happen with a shout. We will see an exception tho soon.

In v11 we see all angels (lots) elders and creatures worship God. They are giving God the glory for what he has done for mankind. Notice the seven fold praise to God as they listed seven attributes of God in this remarkable description of Him. This scene should remind us of Luke 15:10 when Christ said:

“Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Imagine all heaven rejoicing when you finally came to God leaving the world behind. How awesome.

So now we come to v13 with two questions being asked of John. This is so reminiscent of how Christ operated when He walked the earth. He liked to ask questions to get them to thinking. It was also a typical Jewish format and one we see quite often in the OT. For example you can see this question and answer format in Ezek 37 and Zech 4:1-6.

So he asks John "who are these people"? We know they're saved. They have new garments exchanging the old filthy ones for fresh clean pure ones. These robes speak of purity and righteousness. They have been washed in the blood of the lamb. 1 John 1:7 says:

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

The next question asks "where did they come from?"

The answer is they came out of the Great Tribulation. This is the only place and time where the tribulation is called the "Great Tribulation." This is the second half of Daniel's week. This is occurring right after the 6th seal and before the 7th. These are those who have entered heaven. I believe these could quite possibly be those that have been raptured. This would be another way of saying the rapture occurs "pre-wrath." It's not as popular as a "pre-trib rapture" but it may make much more sense when you take Matthew 24 and lay it side by side with what we've been reading thus far in Revelation.

Some say these are those that are saved thru all the ages. Some say these are those saved during the seven year tribulation. If you believe in the pre-trib rapture then you would place the rapture before Revelation 4:1. Others say it's right here. These people are those that have come out of the great tribulation as it is so stated right here in this section.

We can see quite clearly there is an interlude between the 6th & 7th seal. It seems as tho this is the time when God quite possibly is yanking his people out of the world.

This time is also the changing of the guard. It's back to the Jews again. That's why this all starts with the 144,000 Jews being sealed and explains why these questions are now being asked of John. When we look at v9 we see they come from all nations. Usually this speaks of Gentiles, not Jews. So now what we are observing here is the changing of the baton back to the Jews to preach the gospel to their fellow Jews. God is now going to turn back to israel. That's why he's gathered them and set them in their own land today.

The bible says we will have tribulation. He may allow the church to go thru the tribulation but will never allow the church to suffer thru his wrath meant only for unbelievers. The tribulation coming from evil men in this world is much different than wrath poured out from heaven above.

Going back to 6:17 we see that introduces us to chapter 7. When does this all take place? After the six seals have been opened. There will be no Christians on earth when the 7th seal is opened. This is when God's fury and wrath will be poured out and who will be able to stand? Only those 144,000 sealed and protected by God.

Going back to Matthew 24 we see Jesus is sitting with his disciples. These are his followers and whom he is addressing. They are looking for a sign (v3). A sign is something you see. In v13 he says he who endures to the end will be saved? End of what? The tribulation. This makes sense. Those who make it thru the tribulation will be pulled out and saved before the wrath of God. Notice in v22 it says:

"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened"

What days shortened? It can't be the full seven years or Daniel's 70th week would be void. These shortened days would be the period of the tribulation. It will be cut short for the elect's sake when He will take them out.

Going onto 24:25 Jesus uses the pronoun "you" meaning his disciples. He goes on to say in v31:

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

He's telling them he will take them out via the Rapture before it gets really bad. Yes they will go thru tribulation. Yes it's going to be bad. But we are never to worry about what man can do to us. It's what God is able to do to man that should have us trembling. Notice the trumpet is mentioned again as it is in 1 Thess 4:16. The trumpet is very well known in Jewish times to gather God's people together. That's a picture of what we see Jesus is explaining to his disciples here.

Today the church today is mostly teaching a pre-trib rapture theory thanks in part to Tim LaHaye and others. What will happen if the tribulation starts to happen and we're still here? They may start to think they are not believers or that God's promises are not true. Don't be surprised if we do start to go thru some pretty unsettling tribulation to come. We must endure and wait it out and know he will cut short the days when he deems it to be the right time. All in his timing.

After coming out of much turmoil and tears God will comfort them promising them no more hunger and no more thirst. He will shepherd them. A shepherd in the Gk is another word for Pastor. What a day that will be when we finally have Jesus as our Pastor forever.

For thus says the Lord God: “Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. 12“As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day. 13“And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land; I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, in the valleys and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14“I will feed them in good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountains of Israel. There they shall lie down in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. 15“I will feed My flock, and I will make them lie down,” says the Lord God. 16“I will seek what was lost and bring back what was driven away, bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong, and feed them in judgment.” Ezek 34:11-16




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on Sep 23, 2007
so I think you're confusing the second coming with the final white throne judgment.


I'm going by the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds... which both say, "Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead".

that to me means "Christ will come again" is Christ's Second Coming and "to judge the living and the dead" means the Final White Throne Judgment.
on Sep 23, 2007
You are reading and interpretating the Apocalypse chronologically instead of canonically.


Yes. I'm reading this chronologically. Exactly like I would the plagues in Egypt. Do you take them chronologically or do you symbolize those plagues as well?

on Sep 23, 2007

I'm going by the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds... which both say, "Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead".


and that's true. He will. Not a problem here. I agree.

that to me means "Christ will come again" is Christ's Second Coming and "to judge the living and the dead" means the Final White Throne Judgment.


the operative word here is "to me." I'm showing you line by line what Revelation is saying and you're not agreeing. That's fine. But show me the evidence by showing me the timeline that you see in scripture. I don't want to hear about creeds or "to me" statements. Show me where it says..."Immediately after he takes us up he's done with the world. I'm going to continue to show you after 7:9 and following where he know has just begun to deal with the world. You are going to see his mercy and grace thru it all as we go thru 8 and 9.

Now having said that, by NOT taking the unbelievers up with the raptured believers that is in fact a judgment. A judgment was made on who was going to heaven and who was not. In Hebrews it says..."first there is death, then there is judgment." When we die a judgment is made as to where our soul will reside. The Great White Throne is just the final judgement. They've all really already been judged as far as God is concerned. I think this final judgment is going to be their finally "getting it" meaning they will understand where and how they fell short. So it's more for their benefit and would fall under the attribute of God's justice that this is even done. It's a closing of all loose ends so to speak. Finality.

So even before the 1,000 years, a judgment is issued. Only the believers will reign with Christ during these 1,000 years but the rest of the dead will not rise until the Great White Throne judgment. We see all this in Chap 20.

You keep mentioning first, second and third comings. When Christ rose from the dead who did he show himself to? Believers or unbelievers?

When he comes back for us will the believers see him or the unbelievers? What does it mean when it says he'll come as a thief in the night and then another time says his coming will be visible like lightening in the sky? Why does it say in one place we'll meet him in the air and the OT prophets wrote of his feet touching the earth? Why does it show him coming alone in one section and with all his saints in another?

The answer to all of these questions is in the Rapture he's coming for the believers and the 2nd coming to the earth he's coming to do battle. The parable of the 10 virgins is an example of coming for those who are ready with the door closing on those not ready. He doesn't take the virgins and smite the other virgins that were not ready. That's not how his mercy and grace operate.

What you're saying is he comes for us at the same time as he wipes out the unbelievers (Chap 19) but what I'm going to show you bit by bit is that he takes his own out first and then turns up the heat on the world a little at a time giving them chance after chance. Just the fact that the believers will be taken and the door to heaven shut (like the parable) is really his mercy because they will see what they have done, or not done, to be denied that same trip out of here. They will have opportunity after opportunity even still to get on their knees and acknowledge God. Some will. Some won't.








on Sep 24, 2007
You are reading and interpretating the Apocalypse chronologically instead of canonically.


Yes. I'm reading this chronologically.


I'm reading the Apocalypse always keeping the main theme, the Second Coming of Christ, in focus as the grand finale. Amen. Come Lord Jesus!

I've been able to understand it better by following Dr.Robert A. Sungenis' CD study guide and book. He's designated the Apocalypse into 7 sub themes of the main theme as follows:

Section 1----Apoc. 1-3
Section 2----Apoc. 4-6
Section 3----Apoc. 7-9
Section 4----Apoc. 10-11
Section 5----Apoc. 12-14
Section 6----Apoc. 15-19
Section 7----Apoc. 20-22

Since the Apoc. is a continuing canonical theme that leads to Christ's Second Coming, each section is a story in itself that leads or points or speaks to it. Each section overlaps or recapitulates the previous sections giving the reader more information and depth by looking at the same events from 7 different perspectives or angles.

The 7 perspectives relate symbolically to the "seven eyes" of the Lamb and the "seven Spirits of God" which in turn symbolize the perfect perspective from which God views the world. Apoc. 5:6; Zech. 4:10.

For example after reading section 1, Apoc. chapters 1-3, and following the canonical theme, we could easily understand that Christ is introduced as Judge of the Churches and of the world. They are being warned that His chastisements will come upon them if they do not repent of their deeds.


on Sep 24, 2007
Yes. I'm reading this chronologically. Exactly like I would the plagues in Egypt. Do you take them chronologically or do you symbolize those plagues as well?



Well, since Exodus isn't to be taken as a symbolic book with everything, except for a few instances, is literally understood and physical. I understand the 10 plagues of Egypt as occurences that could exist in nature and accomplish there intended damage.

On the other hand, the Apocalypse is, except for a few instances, to be taken symbolically and it's from this perspective that I look at the plagues of the Apoc. 8-9.

on Sep 24, 2007
LULA POSTS:

I'm going by the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds... which both say, "Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead".


KFC POSTS:

and that's true. He will. Not a problem here. I agree.


LULA POSTS:

that to me means "Christ will come again" is Christ's Second Coming and "to judge the living and the dead" means the Final White Throne Judgment.


KFC POSTS: the operative word here is "to me." I'm showing you line by line what Revelation is saying and you're not agreeing. That's fine.


OKay, what does "Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead" mean to you?
on Sep 24, 2007
lula posts:
that to me means "Christ will come again" is Christ's Second Coming and "to judge the living and the dead" means the Final White Throne Judgment.


kfc posts:
the operative word here is "to me." I'm showing you line by line what Revelation is saying and you're not agreeing. That's fine. But show me the evidence by showing me the timeline that you see in scripture.


I've given a timeline so to speak in reply #38. It was in response to your saying:

" Then the rapture will happen (1 Thess 4 and right here during this time in Revelation) to get the believers out before the wrath of God is unleashed. Then there will be silence in heaven (8:1) before God's wrath comes down. "


Again, the Apocalypse tells us about Christ's Second Coming for the Final Judgment. When taken in full context, it says nothing of getting believers out and it promises no escape from the persecution of the Antichrist. It warns Christians that until He comes, they will suffer tribulation and if they are living on earth when Antichrist comes, they will suffer great tribulation. It promises that if they endure to the end by God's grace, they will be saved.

I view Scripture describing the timing and order of the events proceeding Christ's Second Coming and the Final Judgment aka White Throne Judgment as follows:

We are living in the millenial, 'the last days', the spiritual reign of Christ now. This is the Millenial Church age. According to the Lord the present time is the time of witness and of the Spirit, but also a time still marked by distress and trial of evil which does not spare the Church. Acts. 1:8, 1Cor. 7:26; Eph. 5:16; 1St.Peter 4:17. It's a time that ushers in the great tribulation of the last days. It's a time of constant call to repentance and belief in Christ. It's a time of waiting and watching.

This present millenial time is a spiritual battle between good and evil--beginnings of sorrows, sufferings, natural disturbances, famines, disease and wars.

In the very last days of the Millenium, Satan will be unchained for short time--there will be an Antichrist from which follow great apostasy, great martyrdom, great tribulation, universal Gospel--conversion of Jews.

This is when the "silence" in Heaven might be...

There will be extraordinary disturbances of nature signaling the Second Coming of Christ and the end of the world in time and history. Christ will return, first the just and then the unjust dead will be raised in the General Resurrection 1Cor.40:51-52; St.Jn 5:28-29; 1Thess. 4:15-17 and then all mankind will be judged at the Final Judgment.

If the good and evil are found together in the grave sites, that will come to pass which our Lord predicted, “So shall it be at the end of the world, the angels shall go out and shall separate the wicked from among the just.” St. Matt. 13:39. Since the good are laid to rest amongst the wicked, it follows that at the general resurrection , they will be found amongst the wicked as well. Accordingly, after the general resurrection, the holy angels will come and separate the just elect from the wicked reprobate.

This is where v. 17 applies, “Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ in the air,..." So, all the just will be carried on the clouds in splendor and great glory by the holy angels to the place of judgment.


Christ's Second Coming for Final Judgement of the living and the dead occurs with the solemn blast of the trumpet. God will cause all mankind from the beginning of time, the living and the dead to be summoned to the Last Judgment. All of us, everyone, everywhere, will come before Christ at the Last Judgment...the Great White Throne Judgment.

St.Matt.25: 31-46 describes how Christ judges each one and then separates the just, good, the elect from the wicked and what happens to each one after that.

Then God will usher in His Eternal Kingdom on the new heaven and new earth for eternity.
on Sep 24, 2007
I'm going to continue to show you after 7:9 and following where he know has just begun to deal with the world.


We've already discussed how we see this heavenly grouping of Apoc. 7 differently. You see them as the raptured believers and I see them as the entire population of Heaven after all is said and done.


Chapter 7 of the Apocalypse is an interlude. It's interspersed among chastisements in order to give assurance from heaven that the faithful within the Chruch will be saved. Apoc. 7:9 is a picutre of the whole population of Heaven. This is the one that God will usher in His Eternal Kingdom on the new Heaven and new Earth for eternity.
on Sep 24, 2007
You keep mentioning first, second and third comings. When Christ rose from the dead who did he show himself to?


When Christ rose from the dead that was His Resurrection...that was a separate event from His Second Coming. After His Resurrection, He ascended into Heaven and is presently reigning over His Church kingdom from Heaven as Lord of Lords and King of Kings...and will do so over a Millennial period of time of which we don't know how long it will last. At the end of the Millenium, that is the same thing as at the end of the present Christian age, Christ will return to earth...His Second Coming to judge the living and the dead.
on Sep 24, 2007
When Christ rose from the dead who did he show himself to? Believers or unbelievers?


Believers and at least one doubter!
on Sep 24, 2007
When he comes back for us will the believers see him or the unbelievers?


This is a very good question....will unbelievers see Him?

When Christ comes back, His Second Coming will be to judge the living and the dead just as the Apostles' say. I think the unbelievers will be able to see Him as they stand before Him in judgment...also Scripture says every knee shall bow to Christ, I imagine everyone will be able to see Him then as well.

What does it mean when it says he'll come as a thief in the night and then another time says his coming will be visible like lightening in the sky? Why does it say in one place we'll meet him in the air and the OT prophets wrote of his feet touching the earth? Why does it show him coming alone in one section and with all his saints in another?


All of these refer to Christ's Second Coming at the end of the world as Judge.

The answer to all of these questions is in the Rapture he's coming for the believers and the 2nd coming to the earth he's coming to do battle.


What you are saying here is Christ comes to earth to die for our sins, goes back to Heaven, comes again to rapture the believers, goes back to Heaven, and then years later, comes again to earth to battle and slay Antichrist....this is 3 comings, count them.

Sorry, KFC, I can't agree with any of this. Let's count. What is Christ's First Coming, His First Advent on earth? Isn't that when He was born of the Blessed Virgin Mary, suffered and died for our sins,and rose from the dead on the 3rd day? And then the Apostles' Creed tells us that He will return to earth to judge the living and the dead which is His Second Advent. Christ's Second Advent is to judge at the end of the world, NOT BATTLE. Here you are interpreting Scripture to fit the mid-trib Rapture Theory, a variant of Pre-millenialianism.

As you put it here, there is a separate 'coming' for the believers inbetween the First Advent and the Second Advent. That would make three comings..(which is why this kind of pre-trib or mid-trib Rapture thinking is theory and not Biblical.) Scripture only speaks of Two Comings of Christ not two and a half or three. To say otherwise is rationalization.

How one views and understands the Apocalypse all boils down to the timing of the Ch. 20 Millenium and whether or not they believe in pre-trib or mid-trib Rapture Theory.
on Sep 24, 2007
Apoc. 7:9 is a picutre of the whole population of Heaven


But that's not what it says. It says these are those who came out of the great tribulation.

When Christ comes back, His Second Coming will be to judge the living and the dead just as the Apostles' say.


First off the Apostles' Creed is NOT scripture. You cannot take it as biblical truth.

This is a very good question....will unbelievers see Him?


I think the unbelievers will be able to see Him as they stand before Him in judgment...also Scripture says every knee shall bow to Christ, I imagine everyone will be able to see Him then as well.


Yes, that's true but that's not what I'm getting at. I asked you when he comes for the believers (rapture) will the unbelievers see him? I'm going to say no. That is the time he'll come as a thief in the night. That example is used because a thief comes under cover of darkness. He comes when none expect him. He comes when the man of the house is either asleep or away. That's when Jesus will come. When least expected by the world. Then when he comes for the second coming, he'll come as lightening from the east to the west. All will see him coming.

These are two diff times. Like I said before the 10 Virgin Parable is a picture of the rapture. He comes for those who are ready. He'll come for us via the Rapture and close the door to the world as he takes his bride to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb.

Christ's Second Advent is to judge at the end of the world, NOT BATTLE.


Really?

Then you might want to read ahead. Rev 19 says:

His eyes were as a flame of fire and on his head were many crowns and he had a name written that no man knew but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses clothed in fine linen white and clean. And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword THAT WITH IT HE SHOULD SMITE THE NATIONS AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON AND HE TREADS THE WINEPRESS OF THE FIERCENESS AND WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD.

So great will be the slaughter of armageddon that an angel will call together the fowls of heaven to eat the flesh of tose who fall in battle.....v17-18.

continuing on we read in v19-21:

"And I saw the beast (AC) and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse and against his army.....and the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse which sword proceeded out of his mouth; and all the fols were filled with their flesh. "
Sure sounds like a big battle to me Lula.

Besides all this the OT had a lot to say about this war with Christ as the victor. Read Ps 2 for instance.
on Sep 24, 2007
We are engaged in our part of the battle now. Our job is to persevere in the faith, Apoc. 3:10-12, keep watch and pray.

I've already scanned these later chapters. We will see the battle imagery of these later chapters began in the earlier ones.

Chapter 19 is the end of section 6. All the sections speak of the same events and all end up at one final event--Judgment Day at Christ's Second Coming. Ch. 19 is no different, it's a different perspective with more imagery. I don't believe there is a literal battle in the end, it's spiritual warfare where Christ comes and vanquishes His archenemy, Satan.


Therefore the battle of Armageddon is not a battle among the world's nations in the Middle East as has been popularized in fictional books. It is the Final Judgment Day itself when the ultimate Warrior, Jesus Christ, the Rider on the white horse, slays Satan, the Beast and false prophet, and all the demonic spirits are thrown into the lake of eternal fire. Apoc. 19:20 does not depict this as a long, drawn out battle.


on Sep 24, 2007
Therefore the battle of Armageddon is not a battle among the world's nations in the Middle East as has been popularized in fictional books.


Really? Then you might as well spiritualize Ezek, Isaiah, Zechariah, Amos, Joel etc. because they all speak of this battle and they don't use symbolic language to do so. In fact some of what they have already written about (since it's prophecy) has already been literally fulfilled. So why wouldn't we also believe these end time happenings wouldn't also be fulfilled?

Besides all that, have you been checking the Middle East lately? Does it seem far fetched to you that there might actually be a battle in the Middle East as scripture says there will be? If it makes sense....seek no other sense.

It doesn't matter to me anyhow, because I believed this all to be true way before the Left Behind Series was even a speck in the author's mind.

on Sep 25, 2007
Therefore the battle of Armageddon is not a battle among the world's nations in the Middle East as has been popularized in fictional books.


Besides all that, have you been checking the Middle East lately? Does it seem far fetched to you that there might actually be a battle in the Middle East as scripture says there will be?


I don't think Scripture describes the Battle of Armageddon as between physical worldly nations. Armageddon is a spiritual battle in which we already know the outcome.

On the other hand, we are engaged in the physical battle of good and evil now. Scripture has warned of wars and rumors of wars though...that's certainly real...and happening right now...it's already been labeled the "Axis of Evil". The UN and an American University catered to an evil leader yesterday. Every city and town reports of murders daily, Christians are being persected and there is no religious freedom in many countries...medical terrorism rips 5,000 babies from the womb in this country daily..very bloody, very sinful...Satan is behind it all. Scripture tells us all this will get worse and we and the world is and will be chastised for it.

In these chapters, St.John elaborates on the succession of judgments giving more and more detail showing that each and every part of Satan's involvement that will finally be discovered and destroyed.

Armageddon is when Christ defeats all His enemies, Satan and those who do not love Him. God will put an end to it all when Final Justice is meted out.






So why wouldn't we also believe these end time happenings wouldn't also be fulfilled?


I believe that every Biblical prophecy will be fulfilled just not in the same sense that you do.

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