When The Trump Sounds-Will You Be Ready?
Published on September 10, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
Continuing on where we left off we now come to Revelation 7:9-17 which says:

9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:
“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
13Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15“Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16“They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17“for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”


We start off with another worship service not unlike we saw in Chapters 4 & 5 and before the next seal, the 7th, is opened. This is the worship service that will precede the great wrath of God about to overtake the whole world.

In this chapter we see two scenes. First we saw, in the last segment, the 144,000 chosen Jews sealed by God to do the work of God for his special purpose.

This next scene seems to represent all the world. First, we see "after those things." So we can see we're moving along to a different scene. We're moving from one group of people to another. We're going from a specific number to a multitude, a number nobody can number.

The word "behold" is a word of amazement. It's as tho John is saying, "I looked and I can't believe my eyes." He has seen creatures, elders and angels. Now before him is a great multitude, more than he can even number.

We always see two positions before the throne; standing and on their knees. We never see anyone sitting. Notice this multitude is standing before the throne.

Do you remember the promise given to Abraham? Here we see the promise fulfilled. We need to go way back to Genesis 22:16-17 and read:

By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— “blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

So John sees all these that are clothed in white. Earlier we saw a rainbow. So in effect what is happening here is one big lightshow is happening. The light from the dazzling colorful rainbow all around the throne is being reflected off all these pure white robes. God's own glory reflects back to him.

The Palm branches are a symbol of victory. These branches were used in the Jewish feasts. The last of the seven feasts mentioned in Lev 23 is called the Feast of Booths, (tabernacles) or Gathering. I believe each one of the seven feasts corresponds to an event in Christ's first or second coming. This last one is associated with the very end of time. We read in Lev 23:40:

And you shall take for yourselves on the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days.

Notice in v10 a loud voice crying out about salvation. They are recognizing that salvation does indeed come from God. Have you noticed that nothing seems quiet in heaven. Everything seems to happen with a shout. We will see an exception tho soon.

In v11 we see all angels (lots) elders and creatures worship God. They are giving God the glory for what he has done for mankind. Notice the seven fold praise to God as they listed seven attributes of God in this remarkable description of Him. This scene should remind us of Luke 15:10 when Christ said:

“Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Imagine all heaven rejoicing when you finally came to God leaving the world behind. How awesome.

So now we come to v13 with two questions being asked of John. This is so reminiscent of how Christ operated when He walked the earth. He liked to ask questions to get them to thinking. It was also a typical Jewish format and one we see quite often in the OT. For example you can see this question and answer format in Ezek 37 and Zech 4:1-6.

So he asks John "who are these people"? We know they're saved. They have new garments exchanging the old filthy ones for fresh clean pure ones. These robes speak of purity and righteousness. They have been washed in the blood of the lamb. 1 John 1:7 says:

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

The next question asks "where did they come from?"

The answer is they came out of the Great Tribulation. This is the only place and time where the tribulation is called the "Great Tribulation." This is the second half of Daniel's week. This is occurring right after the 6th seal and before the 7th. These are those who have entered heaven. I believe these could quite possibly be those that have been raptured. This would be another way of saying the rapture occurs "pre-wrath." It's not as popular as a "pre-trib rapture" but it may make much more sense when you take Matthew 24 and lay it side by side with what we've been reading thus far in Revelation.

Some say these are those that are saved thru all the ages. Some say these are those saved during the seven year tribulation. If you believe in the pre-trib rapture then you would place the rapture before Revelation 4:1. Others say it's right here. These people are those that have come out of the great tribulation as it is so stated right here in this section.

We can see quite clearly there is an interlude between the 6th & 7th seal. It seems as tho this is the time when God quite possibly is yanking his people out of the world.

This time is also the changing of the guard. It's back to the Jews again. That's why this all starts with the 144,000 Jews being sealed and explains why these questions are now being asked of John. When we look at v9 we see they come from all nations. Usually this speaks of Gentiles, not Jews. So now what we are observing here is the changing of the baton back to the Jews to preach the gospel to their fellow Jews. God is now going to turn back to israel. That's why he's gathered them and set them in their own land today.

The bible says we will have tribulation. He may allow the church to go thru the tribulation but will never allow the church to suffer thru his wrath meant only for unbelievers. The tribulation coming from evil men in this world is much different than wrath poured out from heaven above.

Going back to 6:17 we see that introduces us to chapter 7. When does this all take place? After the six seals have been opened. There will be no Christians on earth when the 7th seal is opened. This is when God's fury and wrath will be poured out and who will be able to stand? Only those 144,000 sealed and protected by God.

Going back to Matthew 24 we see Jesus is sitting with his disciples. These are his followers and whom he is addressing. They are looking for a sign (v3). A sign is something you see. In v13 he says he who endures to the end will be saved? End of what? The tribulation. This makes sense. Those who make it thru the tribulation will be pulled out and saved before the wrath of God. Notice in v22 it says:

"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened"

What days shortened? It can't be the full seven years or Daniel's 70th week would be void. These shortened days would be the period of the tribulation. It will be cut short for the elect's sake when He will take them out.

Going onto 24:25 Jesus uses the pronoun "you" meaning his disciples. He goes on to say in v31:

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

He's telling them he will take them out via the Rapture before it gets really bad. Yes they will go thru tribulation. Yes it's going to be bad. But we are never to worry about what man can do to us. It's what God is able to do to man that should have us trembling. Notice the trumpet is mentioned again as it is in 1 Thess 4:16. The trumpet is very well known in Jewish times to gather God's people together. That's a picture of what we see Jesus is explaining to his disciples here.

Today the church today is mostly teaching a pre-trib rapture theory thanks in part to Tim LaHaye and others. What will happen if the tribulation starts to happen and we're still here? They may start to think they are not believers or that God's promises are not true. Don't be surprised if we do start to go thru some pretty unsettling tribulation to come. We must endure and wait it out and know he will cut short the days when he deems it to be the right time. All in his timing.

After coming out of much turmoil and tears God will comfort them promising them no more hunger and no more thirst. He will shepherd them. A shepherd in the Gk is another word for Pastor. What a day that will be when we finally have Jesus as our Pastor forever.

For thus says the Lord God: “Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. 12“As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day. 13“And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land; I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, in the valleys and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14“I will feed them in good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountains of Israel. There they shall lie down in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. 15“I will feed My flock, and I will make them lie down,” says the Lord God. 16“I will seek what was lost and bring back what was driven away, bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong, and feed them in judgment.” Ezek 34:11-16




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on Sep 25, 2007
I don't think Scripture describes the Battle of Armageddon as between physical worldly nations. Armageddon is a spiritual battle in which we already know the outcome.



Now there you go again (heheheh in the spirit of Reagan) and saying "I don't think." Well com'on lady.....THINK!!! LOL.

Seriously tho. You didn't answer the question. I asked specificially:

Besides all that, have you been checking the Middle East lately? Does it seem far fetched to you that there might actually be a battle in the Middle East as scripture says there will be?


Also.....Read Ezek 37-39. Now Ezekiel wrote prophecy. He was looking ahead and saw this battle and it coincides just neatly with Revelation. He even NAMES the countries. Also read Zech 12-14 for the same end time events this time prophesied by Zechariah. I won't get into Joel because I just put out another blog last night on Revelation and included Joel's propecy although it has more to do with the wrath of God than the actual battle of Armageddon.

I mean the countries are exactly lined up as they are today....against us and Israel. And this was written 2500 years ago. How much more accurate can you get than that? I think we need to be looking up!!
on Sep 25, 2007
(heheheh in the spirit of Reagan) and saying "I don't think." Well com'on lady.....THINK!!! LOL.


Ha...good one....you caught me here!   

Seriously tho. You didn't answer the question. I asked specificially:


Besides all that, have you been checking the Middle East lately? Does it seem far fetched to you that there might actually be a battle in the Middle East as scripture says there will be?


I thought I did when I said...

On the other hand, we are engaged in the physical battle of good and evil now. Scripture has warned of wars and rumors of wars though...that's certainly real...and happening right now...it's already been labeled the "Axis of Evil".


and then followed by saying:

Scripture tells us all this will get worse and we and the world is and will be chastised for it.


I see it as Christ is reigning now and dealing with His enemies is what reigning entails. He's doing that now. Christ must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet." 1Cor. 15:25. We faithful are cooperating. It's a physical and spiritual battle. Christ, His morality and His faithful have many enemies. I think that as long as individuals throughout the world refuse to keep His commands, marriages and families don't do what He wants, mankind refuses to love God and neighbor, there will be not be peace amongst nations. Nations will rise against nations.

The prophecies of Ezek. 37-39 and Zech. 12-14, have already been fulfilled and they will multiple fulfillments as we have discussed before. In my view, the final battle of God and Magog will be a spiritual assault on the Church. When God and Magog surround the saints, when the Church seems at its weakest, "fire came down from Heaven and consumed them. 20:9. That's it. Divine Judgment is administered quickly...and next verse v. 10, "And the Devil is thrown into the lake of fire."

This is the end of the Millenium Church age. The battle of Gog and Magog will defeat Satan, and immediately after v. 11, the victory of Christ over Satan, a great white throne is set up for judgment.

The General Resurrection of the body (aka Second Resurrection) occurs, and all people will be judged based on "what they have done" v. 12. Those "not found written in the book of life" join Satan. This is "the second death". 20:14-15.

Anyway, we'll discuss all this as we roll along. I'm anxious to read about the four trumpets!
on Sep 25, 2007
against us and Israel


Umm . . . it never says US and Israel. Mostly it just says Israel. No us.

Just something to think about.
on Sep 25, 2007
against us and Israel


Umm . . . it never says US and Israel. Mostly it just says Israel. No us.

Just something to think about.


Actually SC. You are right. The scriptures don't say us (America) anywhere in there.

But the countries are lined up against us and Israel. We know this. I've got some thoughts on this but it's only my opinion and not based on scripture. So the only thing I can say is when we let go of our protection Israel is going to be invaded. Not, if, but when.

Seriously tho. You didn't answer the question. I asked specificially:


Besides all that, have you been checking the Middle East lately? Does it seem far fetched to you that there might actually be a battle in the Middle East as scripture says there will be?


I thought I did when I said...


On the other hand, we are engaged in the physical battle of good and evil now. Scripture has warned of wars and rumors of wars though...that's certainly real...and happening right now...it's already been labeled the "Axis of Evil".


and then followed by saying:


Scripture tells us all this will get worse and we and the world is and will be chastised for it.


First off no, you didn't answer it. It's a yes or no answer. I'm actually confused by your answer. You say that there is not going to be these things happening as I've outlined and then you say this will get worse and the world is going to be chastised? Is this literally or symbolically? you say there isn't going to be an Armageddon, it's only symbolic. So I'm not understanding how this is going to end from your perspective.

I'm saying it's going to continue to get bad (as you said here) and will culminate in the battle of Armageddon in which Christ comes back.

In fact if you listen to the Muslims they are also expecting their Messiah to come when there is Jihad all over the world. That's one of the extremist's reasons for creating jihad. They want their Messiah to come.

So their Jihad would be our Armageddon.





on Sep 26, 2007
Besides all that, have you been checking the Middle East lately? Does it seem far fetched to you that there might actually be a battle in the Middle East as scripture says there will be?


First off no, you didn't answer it. It's a yes or no answer.


YES to the first question.

Unequivical YES to the second...it is far-fecthed to me. The battles described in Apocalypse have nothing to do with the Middle East IN ANY NATIONAL SENSE.

That's what I meant when I said the battle of Armageddon is not a battle among the world's nations in the Middle East as has been popularized in fictional books.

Armageddon is symbolic of the final conflict between good and evil. It is a type and not a locality. Fanciful movies, books and other literature have been produced that imagine it as a real battle in a real place. They have predicted that Christ will return to slaughter all His enemies. Christ conquers Satan and his demonic minions and evil; then He judges all mankind. The Apostles' Creed says, "He ascended into Heaven...thence He will come again to Judge the living and the dead".

St.John gives the symbolic Hebrew compound, Har-Megiddo, what is modern spelling, Armageddon, to signify the ultimate defeat of evil by good when the constant war of principles will culminate in the final victory of Christ. Therefore the battle of Armageddon is not a battle among the world's nations in the Middle East. It is the Final Judgment Day itself when Jesus Christ slays Satan, the Beast and false prophet, and all the demonic spirits are thrown into the lake of eternal fire. Apoc. 19:20 does not depict this as a long, drawn out battle.


Christ will some day come again in power and majesty to judge the living and the dead. THat's all I go by...in the meantime, I concentrate on the here and now. We are engaged in our part of the battle now. Our job is to persevere in the faith, Apoc. 3:10-12, keep watch and pray.

The future can then safely be left to GOd.
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