I disagree, lula. They have only won in the PUBLIC schools. Parents HAVE other options, ones that allow their children to receive religious based instructions. Parents who insist that the state take responsibility for their children should have no right to demand that the state do it in accordance with the parents' beliefs.

Hasn't been the Bible and there hasn't been a "so help me God" for a lot of years . . . they don't actually put their hand on anything.

I know. I've been sworn in to testify twice in my life. Never put my hand on a thing.

You've been lied to by your television.

Don't you know, MM, that CHristianity holds on tight to those goodies too? They came from the OLd to the New, yep, they did and that's what we base our actions and laws upon. Catholicism teaches that God has written the the Ten Commandments on our hearts as part of the Natural or Moral Law and because of this, every one of us born have an innermost sense of good and evil. How cool is that amazing God?

True and beside religious based schools, there is also homeschooling. My home schooling parent friends tell me the pressure is on and the State attempts to get them to bow to pressure and teach certain things in order to be certified. If the home schooling parents wouldn't have been awake and fought against the State, it would have censored them too.
The State would have then been in living rooms so to speak.



Yes, but in reality parent's are always the first educators and should never give up their inherent right to educate their children. It's sad that so many parents do though and happily I might add. That's why at the beginning of the school year, I look over every school book, talk with every teacher and learn what's on the syllabus. If I don't like something, my kids are opted-out of that assignment, of reading that objectionable book, or from being part of the contraceptive or condom pushing sex ed classes, etc.

Homeschooling laws vary WIDELY between states. Some states are not so draconian.

in my comment #39, i directed a question to kfc.

i'm now asking lulapilgrim to respond as well:

at risk of seeming naive, is it at all possible you (lulapilgrim) believe the best possible manifestation of america would be a nation governed according to biblical law rather than our existing constitution?

since the morning our tv scourged my very young eyes with horrific video coverage showing mobs of hate-crazed adults armed with rocks, bricks and bats with which they intended to inflict great bodily harm on a handful of children about my age attempting to enroll at a school in little rock, arkansas, i've never stopped wondering what transformed into such monsters that crowd of beings who otherwise appeared human.




while many--if not all--of them very likely considered themselves christians and i've personally had to endure more than several dozens of others claiming scriptural authority for the vilest sort of racism, many others professing to be christians have dedicated their lives (and, in some cases, lost them) in service of an entirely different christian view of man.




i'd never consider christianity the source of our greatest cultural flaw. you may not have intended to do so either. if nothing else, your assertion implies a claim of approval and, thus, quite the revelation.

at risk of seeming naive, is it at all possible you (lulapilgrim) believe the best possible manifestation of america would be a nation governed according to biblical law rather than our existing constitution?

Well I think our constitution was based on biblical law. There's nothing wrong with our constitution, it's how they're now interpreting it that's the problem.

Ditto to what KFC said.

The very fact that the Constitutions, both federal and state, are set up on God-given inalienable right to life, liberty and property are enough for me. I've said as much in other blogs.

Up until the 50s early 60s, the laws for the most part harmonized with God's laws...in that they were just and a " terror to evil."

Today, it's different, many of the laws are unjust and a "terror to good". Read Romans 13:1-7 and that covers the fact that God is the source of all authority, including government authority. For example, God, the highest authority, gives the right to life, then no man or government authority can take that right away. Legalizing the evil practice of abortion is therefore, unjust and unConstitutional.

and your basis for thinking this is...?

the us constitution makes no mention of the bible or god, much less jesus. the declaration of independence to which you refer has no standing as a legal document. it does, however, spell out very clearly the source of goverment authority in our nation in it's opening sentence:

'when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them.'

it goes on to totally refute the so-called 'divine right' used for so long to validate monarchy while very clearly pronouncing governments derive their power from men. no equivocation or wiggle room there:

'That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety'

except for those--some of which i've already mentioned--which were totally unjust and a terror to anyone who wasn't white and soo were more an authorization for evil.

that works well in the islamic republic of iran. we are not a theocracy.

since the united states has been in existence, the only legally applicabe & relevant rulings involving romans are those who formulated roman law which in combination with english common law (devised long before there was a single christian in england)upon which our own rule of law is based.

cikomyr posts:



Does anyone else smell the smell of Communism here?

It was a Godless morale by which we arrived at legalizing abortion and where is "fairness" with regard to "respecting" the baby's right to be born?

Yah, I know. ANy active concern for the baby trapped in the womb being religiously motivated, violates the so-called separation of Chruch and State. We must all be operationally atheistic; at least the State must be and it is the civic duty of Catholics like me to acquiesce. Yah, like ducks. Cikomyr, you can jump off that cliff, but I'm not following.

Kingbee posts:


Where did these rights come from, Kingbee? And the governments, where did they get their authority to govern in the first place?

What happened at the Praeporium between Pontius Pilate and Christ?

When Pilate asked him, “Don’t you know I have the power to crucify You?” Jesus answered, “You would not have such power against me unless it were given to thee from above.”



America was set up as a constitutional republic in that the general population elects representatives who then pass laws which govern the nation. A constitutional republic is rule by law and if we were a Christian nation, then we would be ruled by laws which would be in harmony with God's laws and today, clearly they are not. A constititional republic is the highest form of government and one in which the rulers as well as the ruled obey the laws. It is one that requires a great amount of participation and maintainence. If neglected, it can deteriorate into a democracry, anarchy, oligarchy, monarchy, or dictatorship....and that’s exactly what has happened. We’ve been off course for some time now and our great constitutional republic has all but fully collapsed.