"This is not a hard one Baker. Satan already has the Jews blinded to Christ."

Bingo, lol, you're so easy.

"First of all I didn't paint anybody WRONG. Everyone has to be persuaded in his own mind. I would be the last to dictate this on anyone"

Wow, you heard it here, folks. KFC DOESN'T BELIEVE WORSHIPING SATAN IS WRONG!!!

No, you just said the practice of having Santa Claus in our holiday celebrations amounts to Satan worship. I wonder how you'd react if someone came in and picked apart some beloved memory of your childhood and called you a devil worshiper because of it.

"and how do you know this? I really want to know. "

Because you believe it is the Whore of Babylon? Come on. I don't like the Catholic Church either, and I'll speak up with a different perspective when people like Lulabelle try to portray it as the "one true church". You won't catch me offering the unsolicited critique that one of their saints is really Satan, though.

The one characteristic of your belief system is that you can't see what is wrong with the post above. You can't see how all year long you talk about how Christians are persecuted unfairly, and then come here and claim that other people worship Satan through Santa Claus. You mourn when people tread on things dear and beloved to you, but you're happy to come here and tell people that Santa Claus is Satan.

This is from KFC's son...aka: the author of the article above...

SANTA CLAUS IS THE ANTICHRIST.

There, I said it.

You can't see how all year long you talk about how Christians are persecuted unfairly, and then come here and claim that other people worship Satan through Santa Claus. You mourn when people tread on things dear and beloved to you, but you're happy to come here and tell people that Santa Claus is Satan.

This is ridiculous. Did I advocate stopping all Santa worship? Did I outlaw or even try the courts in this regard? Did I call for a boycott of Santa? Did I throw out Santa out of all public forums? Did I tell everyone to stop saying HO HO HO? No. It's not gonna happen either. This has nothing to do with reverse persecution Baker. It's just something to think about.

Because you believe it is the Whore of Babylon?

You like to say this frequently but you never back up your statement with any proof. Would you like to offer it now?

"SANTA CLAUS IS THE ANTICHRIST."

LMAO. If there ever is an Antichrist, I think he'd love you folks diverting attention from him by vilifying beloved childhood characters.

Anyway, doesn't your "inerrant" Bible say that the Antichrist and the Devil are two different entities? Which is it? Is Santa Claus the devil in a different outfit, or is he the Antichrist?

"John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

I don't recall every hearing Santa Claus say that. Which Santa Claus do you think it is, the one in the mall near my house, or the one that visits the kids down in the shelter downtown and brings them presents? Is it our grandfathers when they dress up like Santa for the family? Is that a satanic ritual?

"2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

That actually makes an Antichrist out of anyone that believes differently than you, huh? In the end you have very hateful, intolerant beliefs and you just can't bring yourself to admit them publicly.

"This is ridiculous. Did I advocate stopping all Santa worship? "

No, you just painted the whole phenomenon as devil worship. Silly me for being offended when I am branded a devil worshiper and promoter of the Antichrist. How could anyone not see the "humor" in that...

and how do you know this? I really want to know.

Well you've recently stated on a different thread that you think the Apocalypse is going to arise out of a new Roman empire based around the papacy and the EU. I just connected the dots. If I'm misrepresenting you forgive me, but I'm sure you can see how considering catholicism a vital part of Satan's plans could create loathing in a devout christian like yourself.

Comparing Satan to Santa...hmmm...isn't that a bit extreme?

No cacto. You don't understand. She paints Santa as Satan, and calls Santa's inclusion in Christmans satanic idolatry, but she doesn't MEAN that she's advocating stopping it. She obviously doesn't mind people worshiping Satan. She believes what you say, but she doesn't really MEAN that Catholics should reject the church.

So, we basically have someone who believes a lot of ugly things, states them openly, and then tries to back peddle when people get offended. Keep that candle under a bushel, or at least try and deny that it is a candle when people get their feelings hurt.

Very indicative of modern Christianity.

If there ever is an antichrist

that's it in a nutshell isn't it Baker. You don't believe there is one. Do you believe in Satan? Honest question. Some don't.

I'm not sure why all the scripture Baker. I'm quite sure you don't want me to throw any your way. But there are many antichrists in the world and we were told there would be up until the end time. But they all spoke of ONE antichrist that would deceive the masses in the end time. Satan we're told masquarades as an angel of light. Don't you think he can masquerade as Santa as well? And it's not a particular Santa we're talking about. It's the celebration of Santa as a whole. Is it physical presents that we are in need of or is it the presence of the Christ that came and for whom the real Christmas message belongs?

We're not picking on the nice people Baker. You as usual, are fixated on the physical. It goes much deeper than what you are seeing.

If I'm misrepresenting you forgive me

I forgive you....lol.

So, we basically have someone who believes a lot of ugly things, states them openly, and then tries to back peddle when people get offended

I don't back peddle Baker. I just don't believe that external forcing of anything works. I will defend what scripture states and I will be forthright about it. But I would never say one must do this or that or else. It's all built on their internal relationship they have with God.

She obviously doesn't mind people worshiping Satan. She believes what you say, but she doesn't really MEAN that Catholics should reject the church.

This is an outright lie Baker. I misread you. I thought you understood things. I know darn well I've expressed myself quite clearly on what I believe and not only that, but you have enough knowledge about fundamentalism to know better. But after reading a few blogs lately here and elsewhere I'm beginning to see you just like to argue for argue's sake.

You so remind me of Paul before his conversion. Have I ever told you that before?

"We're not picking on the nice people Baker. You as usual, are fixated on the physical. It goes much deeper than what you are seeing. "

How can you sit here and backtrack like this? You say:

"This is ridiculous. Did I advocate stopping all Santa worship?"

... when your own blog says:

"It is time to let the children know the truth of this dishonest secret that has been held since Satan has overtaken the identity of Saint Nick. "

Are you really saying that you believe Santa Claus is the devil undermining the worship of Christ and you DON'T advocate stopping "Santa worship"?

Your blog says:

"This man of gluttony, temptation and giver of selfishness dons a cap of red, pants of red and boots as dark as his heart. Red is a symbolic color. It represents many things- anger, heat, fire, danger and…the great man downstairs."

...and then you flip flop and try to say you aren't condemning anyone or trying to insult anyone's practice of Christmas? What ARE you trying to do then? Or is this something that people like you and your son can't control, like some religious zealot's form of Tourettes Syndrome?

Why waffle on what you believe when it gets embarassing? If you are so ashamed of you perspective that you have to reviseit, tone it down, soften it, etc., maybe you should weigh the benefits of the belief.

You deny that you don't mind people worshipping the devil? Yet, here you are, though, claiming

• Satan is the devil.
• that Santa is an overt attempt to erase Christ from Christmas.
• that the practice of Santa Claus at Christmas is idolatry.

But then you say you aren't overtly trying to change anyone's mind, it's "just something to think about". You don't actually promote people rejecting the idea of Santa Claus, you just... say that it's satanic? Can you see how someone might see calling Santa Satan as being negative towards their practice of Christmas?

Come on. Either you are now backing down from the tone of your blog, or you really believe all this and you just don't care about other people worshiping Satan. Which is it? You really, really can't understand why someone would be offended by the blog above, can you?

HELLO....

telling the children the truth....and stopping all Santa worship is entirely two diff things. First off, this is done as individuals. We as individuals have to make that decison for our children. I would never infringe on your right to parent. Worship Santa all the day long if it makes you feel jolly inside Baker. That is not the same thing as I don't mind if people worship Satan either. Of course it bothers me to see others in any deception by the evil one. I know his game, I've read the warnings by the Apostles. I see Satan's trail of deceit all around us. But not minding and forcing you to do otherwise is two entirely diff things.

I think David made some very good points in his article. If you choose not to think about them fine. End of story. Let it go Baker.

"I would never infringe on your right to parent."

But you'd openly declare it satan worship. How would it strike you if someone said they thought that the diatribe above amounted to child abuse? You didn't seem to like that "Jesus Camp" movie much.

What if I came here and said that I believed the god you worship is really Satan in a God outfit? It's not so far fetched. There have been numerous sects who believed that the Old Testament God and the God Jesus talked about were two different parties and that the Church combining them was just satanic propaganda.

You tend to attack people's beliefs, and then act surprised when people defend them or attack yours in return. Should you be surprised? Do you really take condemning people's practice of including Santa at Christmas satanic idolatry that lightly?

"You so remind me of Paul before his conversion. Have I ever told you that before?"

The difference to me is Saul actively sought out Christians. If I were like Saul I'd be on fundamentalist websites, not just answering empty claims and hypocrisy on the one I'd frequent regardless. You'd be surprised how many fundamentalist Christians I know in real life who don't go out of their way to be caustic and who I get along with swimmingly.