Should it be taught in the schools?
Published on September 29, 2006 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Misc
I spent some time last night at the school board meeting. There has been some heated controversy the last few months about teaching abstinence to the middle school students here. Right now they are being taught what the state recommends, and it's not an abstinence based program. So a group of parents have been making a statement armed with good documentation and organization. They are asking the school if they will consider teaching an alternative to what the state recommends for the parents who are trying to teach their children abstaining until marriage.

Boy, what a pandora box has been opened with this topic. We are talking 11-13 year olds. It's hard to believe but they are sexually active during this age. I was shocked when my kids were in this school years ago and found this to be true.

Anyway an abstinence group came in to give a presentation. They are currently in some school systems across the country and have been very successful in getting the kids to delay either their first sexual encounter or to wait entirely for marriage. The numbers have been very encouraging. They do an entry and exit survey before and after the program. Their findings show the kids are thinking very seriously about what they were taught with an increased number ending the program with the decision it's best to wait in comparison to the begininng when they were unsure and more likely to engage earlier.

The school board allowed an hour for this presentation and it was quite interesting to watch. This was my first meeting, and I could tell immediately who on the school board was disgusted and who was not by watching them. For some, their minds were not going to change by the look on their faces. They hardly looked at the booklets and paperwork passed out prior to the presentation. There was a reporter there as well taking notes. It will be front page when it comes out.

As I slid into my seat, a nurse friend whispered in my ear, "the name calling has begun." I guess these parents are being called right wingers among other things. I have signed on and will join the effort. I'll now be on that list.

The Heritage Foundation's mission is to try and help with behavior instead of dealing with the aftermath of the behavior. The presentation was very detailed, organized and articularly presented. They had it all done with Powerpoint compared to the school's presentation last week which was totally unorganized and overhead projector was used. There were nurses on both sides here who were being used as spokeswomen along the way.

The main spokesperson was the President of the Heritage Foundation, but then later a man who was probably in his 30's got up to speak. He would be an instructor along with the nurse who was with him. He made a good point. He said he never heard of abstinence as a young man and was always told when he asked about sex that "when he was ready" he'd know. So he'd always ask...."am I ready?" When he was in his 20's, he asked, "am I ready now?" He was never told it was best to wait until marriage. It was never clear to him. He wants the kids to be able to hear that alternative. They are not hearing this in the state's sex ed curriculums now.

This all came about because about a year ago there was a "health fair" at the HS. At that fair a Clinic was there and were handing out free condoms. Prizes were given out for any that would put a condom on a wooden structure built just for this type of thing. A kid on the sly went and video taped the whole thing. You can hear the coaxing by the adult in charge and very clearly can see the hesitation and embarrasment of the kids. They were being shown different flavored condoms and encouraged to taste them even. It was pretty disturbing. The condoms were being passed out like candy, and on the video you could see full buckets of condoms free for the taking.

This video made it right to the Principal's office. The few parents involved in this were enraged. This could not be broadcasted because the kids faces were shown and since this could cause some problems the video didn't go too far. I saw the video. It was very upsetting. I felt our kids were being sold down the river and my kids were not involved since they are now gone from the school system. Thank God.

What shocked me even more were the school board members who were enraged. They said things like...."I'm not going to tell my son to wait until marriage and I don't want anyone else to either." "If our kids want to have sex, it's their decision." Hello?

I don't get it. My question is .....Why is it bad to encourage your child to wait until marriage? What's wrong with giving them the alternative to what is currently being taught by letting them know it's ok to wait ? Is it that bad to tell them they don't have to do what everyone else is doing? As I see it, the bar should be lifted, and it's good for all involved. Afterall we're talking 11 year olds. Am I missing something?









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on Oct 01, 2006
"I can't say I've got a lot of faith in abstinence-based programs. They've never worked in the past (eg in the pre-sex ed days) so I'm not sure why they'd work now."


I don't have a lot of faith in our justice system, either. We keep putting them in jail and they keep right on killing people. If it isn't foolproof, why try at all, right? Chaos FTW!! lol... not.

"Then, as now, sex education was funded in an attempt to stem the tide of Sexually Transmitted Diseases."


I rarely disagree with you Kupe, but I have to here. Sex education, less then/more now, is the sacred cow of faux-liberals in the name of "liberation", much the same way unfettered access to birth control is. By liberation, unfortunately, they mean freedom from traditional roles and any sort of morally conservative lifestyle.

Sex education is as much about fear as the worst kind of moral sermon about sinful sex. Instead of sex being the villain, though, it is the idea that you might *gasp* get pregnant and "ruin your life", or miss out on so much and end up living in a trailer park with a husband that beats you.

So, we end up with dead babies in dumpsters. "Liberation" in the Roe v. Wade era has become a denial of reality. Worse, we've promoted immoral sex through these programs to the point that many STDs that were declining are now surging again. It isn't the "but... make sure you use a condom" that sticks with kids, it's the "It's okay to have sex," part.

I have daily contact with an infectious disease clinic at a large hospital, and I can't help but see the results of these attitudes. I can say with absolutely no doubt in my mind that these programs have little chance of ever effecting STD transmission. The kids who don't transmit them probably wouldn't have anyway, and the ones that do are promoted to their behavior by teachers who urge them not to feel bad about it.
on Oct 01, 2006
I'd add that I really see no need for sex education in school at all. We have biology where kids can learn about reproduction and the transmission of disease. All we are doing is making something a big deal in the lives of kids who shouldn't see it as a big deal for some time to come. Worse, it is often used to argue against traditional values, much like some idiot teachers who use their classes on Darwinism to attack religion.

It's just imposed socialist child rearing as usual, denying parents the right to choose when to bring up the topic with their kids. Some kids aren't ready/aren't interested in 4th grade (when the basic indoctrination started in our school system). Did I have a choice? Nope. The almighty government told me when to drag my daughter into it.
on Oct 01, 2006
The worst thing a parent can do (IMO) is 'shelter' them and try to control every single thing.


Should we shelter our 10 year olds from the flavor of condoms? Do you want your 10 y/o girl tasting a condom some guy teaching at her schools gives her to taste?

Do the boys taste them as well? I imagin so in the world of gender equality. Gee thats promoting healthy sex...NOT!

Safe sex...lets teach kids how to have oral sex...whats next? Today we are licking condoms and spreading rubbers over wodden phalluses...where does this lead to?

Example: Hi mommy, I had a great day at school today. I got to taste a pretty yellow condom; here you want one Oh, and I got to put one on a make believe pee pee too. I turn 11 next week mommy, I hope little tommy comes to my party. He said I could practice by putting a pretty yellow condom on his pee pee....WTF!!

This is pure craziness.
on Oct 01, 2006
Abstinence is okay to teach...but they also have to teach safe sex along with that. That's what gets me...you can tell someone to not do something all you want...but chances are, if they feel like it, they will do it and you should teach them the safe way to do that if that's what they choose. Abstinence only is a bad idea...that's all I'm going to say...it needs to be partnered with safe sex.

In respeonse to the above posting: For 20 years state-sponsored contraceptive sex ed has been in play. The result is an epidemic of STDs and STIs. There is no such thing as "Safe sex". It is a lie. For 5 yrs. we have known there is no scientific evidence that condoms prevent the transmission of most Sexually transmitted diseases -STDs Condoms don't provide universal protection against HIV, chlamydia, herpes, and human papilloma virus (HPV) which causes cervical cancer. The US dept. of Health and Human Services issued a report that was developed from the National Institute of Health, the food and drug adminisntration, the centers for disease Control and Prevention, anda the US Agency for International Development. Ever since this report was issued, when condom use is discussed, it is no longer medically accurate or legal to refer to sex as "safe' or 'protected".
So in school, which kid is really more vulnerable? The one whose taught to use contraceptives, including condoms or the one whose motivated to save sex until marriage?
Fact: No one has ever caought AIDS or any other STD from being abstinent
Also, teaching both is confusing to kids becasue they are contradictory messages.

on Oct 01, 2006
"Should we shelter our 10 year olds from the flavor of condoms? Do you want your 10 y/o girl tasting a condom some guy teaching at her schools gives her to taste?"


Walk up to a ten year old girl and offer her a condom to taste in the mall, it is a crime. Do it in school, it is a public service. Can you really wonder why sexual predators are so drawn to being teachers in America? Beyond the obvious contact with kids, our socialist society puts far, far too much parenting responsibility and trust in them, to the point that sexual abuse is part of the job description, apparently.

A teacher does that to my daughter, the teacher is in danger, as is anyone who came up with the policy. I see absolutely no difference between the mall and the school; if it is a sexual crime in the mall it is in school, too. Any valid act against the person in the mall is valid against the teacher.
on Oct 01, 2006
Also, teaching both is confusing to kids becasue they are contradictory messages.


this is it for me in a nutshell. This is why parents like us want an alternative to begin with. They need encouragment to stay the course, not buckle to the pressures. That's exactly what the state sponsored sex education does........ helps them cave in. It dumbs down the kids; tells them they are not strong enough to resist the temptations so here's the tools once you cave.

and also.....what Baker said.

on Oct 01, 2006
Is condom-tasting really part of the sex-ed curriculum? Or do you think it's more likely to be the result of a single teacher's failures?

I'm pretty sure it's a strawman but just in case I'm wrong I'd like to hear where in the curriculum plan the condom tasting you abhor receives state approval.
on Oct 01, 2006
Is condom-tasting really part of the sex-ed curriculum?


To be fair? Not that I know of. But since I don't have kids in the HS anymore I'm not sure what they do right now. This was done at a HS Health Fair. But the Health Teacher as I said before, was involved and in the presence of the Clinic people egging the kids on. She did nothing to stop this even smiling in the video which showed me her acceptance, so who knows what goes on in her class.

I would say the HS kids would be the best to ask what is REALLY going on in those classes. The parents have no idea, that I'm sure of.



on Oct 01, 2006
to cactoblasta:
Some states' sex ed curriculum is provided by SIECUS Sexuality Education. Look that up on the Internet and see what you find. Also, Many high school nurses, counselors or health educators as part of their health and wellness curriculum invite outside agents from Planned Parenthood or family planning clinics to conduct special sex ed classes. They entice students in co-ed settings to taste condoms most oftentimes without parental notification or approval.
on Oct 01, 2006
lulabelle: I'm not American and I was Catholic-schooled, not public. So this issue is not one I'm incensed enough about to do serious research on. It just seemed absurd that condom-tasting was state approved.

If you're right, and condom-tasting is a requirement of current sex-ed programs, then it's no wonder you guys are so messed up about sex. Not only do you make little kids sex objects in your 'beauty pageants' but you teach them to suck cock! And you call yourselves civilised...

NB: I'm not being entirely serious here. I doubt very much your claims. If they are true though then you are all very sick little puppies for not doing something about reforming the sex-ed program. It doesn't have to be 'perverts-R-us vs abstinence'. You can have a middle ground which doesn't involve the sexual exploitation of preteen children.
on Oct 02, 2006
They entice students in co-ed settings to taste condoms most oftentimes without parental notification or approval.


You did not EVEN want to tell me that.

Its really something else when the educators of this f*cking country entice our children to taste condoms.

Pretty soon they will be teaching our boys how to j*ck off and our daughters to use dild*s as a form of safe sex...Shite! Maybe the damn teachers will help them.

I'm sorry, but this thread ires me more than just a bit, and I do have some questions for my daughter.
on Oct 02, 2006
Nope you're not missing ANYTHING! As a homeschool mom of 7, as well as a Christian, are kids are indeed being taught to wait. And even if one wasn't a Christian - why encourage your kids to catch all kinds of diseases, become parents as teens and develope emotional relationships they are too immature to handle - not to mention a precurser to divorce. Not what I want for my kids!!

Belinda
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on Oct 02, 2006
Nope you're not missing ANYTHING! As a homeschool mom of 7, as well as a Christian, are kids are indeed being taught to wait. And even if one wasn't a Christian - why encourage your kids to catch all kinds of diseases, become parents as teens and develope emotional relationships they are too immature to handle - not to mention a precurser to divorce. Not what I want for my kids!!


Scary thought that someone with such poor writing skills is the exclusive educator for SEVEN children.

on Oct 02, 2006
Scary thought that someone with such poor writing skills is the exclusive educator for SEVEN children


Absolutely.
on Oct 02, 2006
Where is your charity toward the homeschooling mother of 7? This is a blog for pete's sake--not a writing contest. There is much substance in what she says; so what if there are some mispelled words. I'd rather have to read a few mispellings than the profanity used by Xythe.
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