Should it be taught in the schools?
Published on September 29, 2006 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Misc
I spent some time last night at the school board meeting. There has been some heated controversy the last few months about teaching abstinence to the middle school students here. Right now they are being taught what the state recommends, and it's not an abstinence based program. So a group of parents have been making a statement armed with good documentation and organization. They are asking the school if they will consider teaching an alternative to what the state recommends for the parents who are trying to teach their children abstaining until marriage.

Boy, what a pandora box has been opened with this topic. We are talking 11-13 year olds. It's hard to believe but they are sexually active during this age. I was shocked when my kids were in this school years ago and found this to be true.

Anyway an abstinence group came in to give a presentation. They are currently in some school systems across the country and have been very successful in getting the kids to delay either their first sexual encounter or to wait entirely for marriage. The numbers have been very encouraging. They do an entry and exit survey before and after the program. Their findings show the kids are thinking very seriously about what they were taught with an increased number ending the program with the decision it's best to wait in comparison to the begininng when they were unsure and more likely to engage earlier.

The school board allowed an hour for this presentation and it was quite interesting to watch. This was my first meeting, and I could tell immediately who on the school board was disgusted and who was not by watching them. For some, their minds were not going to change by the look on their faces. They hardly looked at the booklets and paperwork passed out prior to the presentation. There was a reporter there as well taking notes. It will be front page when it comes out.

As I slid into my seat, a nurse friend whispered in my ear, "the name calling has begun." I guess these parents are being called right wingers among other things. I have signed on and will join the effort. I'll now be on that list.

The Heritage Foundation's mission is to try and help with behavior instead of dealing with the aftermath of the behavior. The presentation was very detailed, organized and articularly presented. They had it all done with Powerpoint compared to the school's presentation last week which was totally unorganized and overhead projector was used. There were nurses on both sides here who were being used as spokeswomen along the way.

The main spokesperson was the President of the Heritage Foundation, but then later a man who was probably in his 30's got up to speak. He would be an instructor along with the nurse who was with him. He made a good point. He said he never heard of abstinence as a young man and was always told when he asked about sex that "when he was ready" he'd know. So he'd always ask...."am I ready?" When he was in his 20's, he asked, "am I ready now?" He was never told it was best to wait until marriage. It was never clear to him. He wants the kids to be able to hear that alternative. They are not hearing this in the state's sex ed curriculums now.

This all came about because about a year ago there was a "health fair" at the HS. At that fair a Clinic was there and were handing out free condoms. Prizes were given out for any that would put a condom on a wooden structure built just for this type of thing. A kid on the sly went and video taped the whole thing. You can hear the coaxing by the adult in charge and very clearly can see the hesitation and embarrasment of the kids. They were being shown different flavored condoms and encouraged to taste them even. It was pretty disturbing. The condoms were being passed out like candy, and on the video you could see full buckets of condoms free for the taking.

This video made it right to the Principal's office. The few parents involved in this were enraged. This could not be broadcasted because the kids faces were shown and since this could cause some problems the video didn't go too far. I saw the video. It was very upsetting. I felt our kids were being sold down the river and my kids were not involved since they are now gone from the school system. Thank God.

What shocked me even more were the school board members who were enraged. They said things like...."I'm not going to tell my son to wait until marriage and I don't want anyone else to either." "If our kids want to have sex, it's their decision." Hello?

I don't get it. My question is .....Why is it bad to encourage your child to wait until marriage? What's wrong with giving them the alternative to what is currently being taught by letting them know it's ok to wait ? Is it that bad to tell them they don't have to do what everyone else is doing? As I see it, the bar should be lifted, and it's good for all involved. Afterall we're talking 11 year olds. Am I missing something?









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on Sep 30, 2006
The Abstinence program as presented by the abstinence people I believe they said was a 10 week program. They do different things to help the kids understand the seriousness behind their actions. I believe each class is 45 minutes in length but am unclear as to how many times a week. It may be once a week but again am not sure. I guess it depends on how the school structures their classes. I know in this school they go every other day with classes and one day with all classes shortened.

I imagine it would or could be a regular health class with the "sex ed" part only a portion of the whole program just like health is now with the same material just a different perspective. Or maybe it's geared to only be the "sex ed" part and nothing else. I remember when my kids were in their younger years I took them out of the "sex ed" part of the health class and it was like 6 weeks. I didn't have this alternative. I can't remember if it was a once a week program or not now. I imagine every school is different.

When they gave their material to the school board the other night it was quite comprehensive. They covered all sorts of things. They had a workbook. I had to leave a bit early so I didn't get to see the entire workbook units covered, but they were going thru them one by one. One thing I remember them saying is they play a dice game. When the kids throw the dice the numbers mean a certain thing like an STD, AIDS or unplanned pregnancy etc.

The whole messge is not a quick "don't do it" lesson but one that equips them for saying no and helps them understand the reasons why it's better for them to wait.

As far as "Amanda" goes. I do not know who this Amanda is but she was right on.

on Sep 30, 2006
Thanks for the clarification on the program--like I said earlier, I don't have a problem with teaching abstinence, but I think it should be part of a comprehensive program.

Clearly, I was wrong on Amanda's identity--so I apologize.
on Sep 30, 2006
I understand that since the bible has been translated into modern English they're going to stop teaching English classes too.


haha.
11 years old is disturbing. we didn't have anything like that when i was 11. there were no sexually active 6th graders running around my classroom. that scares me that there are now.
on Oct 01, 2006
In theory, I agree with you. But unfortunately an abstinence-only program is fraught with the denial of reality.

The reality is that kids are having sex. YOUNG kids. The school I teach in is K-5, and I bet that some of the 5th graders have had sex. It wouldn't shock me at all anymore.

Another reality is that lots of parents don't feel comfortable talking to their kids about sex, so the schools are expected to pick up the slack, as they are in most cases where parents don't give a crap. So...in order to "please everyone," the schools take a middle-of-the-road approach. They teach that abstinence is probably the best way to go, but if you're going to have sex, here are your options. Here are some of the physical/emotional risks if you choose to engage in sexual activity.

For those parents that care, they can choose to pull their kids from the sex ed curriculum portion in elementary school, and address the issues at home. I remember when I was in elementary school lots of families did that.

When my husband and I have children, I think that we'll discuss these topics with our kids before they go to sex ed class, and then let them take the class. I'm glad that we can honestly tell our kids that we waited until we were married and that we think it was a really good decision.

But the reality is that I can't FORCE my kids not to have sex. I want them to wait until they're married, because I know the physical and emotional repercussions that can come from sex without that commitment, and I don't want them to have to deal with that. But I have to let them live their lives, too. And above anything else, i want my kids to feel comefortable enough to come to me with ANY concerns or questions they have on the topic.
on Oct 01, 2006
As has been mentioned before in the thread, absitnence as a portion of the sex ed curriculum is a good thing. It's the only 100% fool-proof way to avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancy. I think it definitely belongs in schools. My problem is those who want it to be the ONLY sex-ed method. It may be the only 100% safe way, but it completely and totally ignores the reality we live in. Kids have sex, it's a fact that can not be changed by telling them not to do it in a classroom. And if kids are going to be having sex, at the very least I want them armed with the proper knowledge on how to ensure at least SOME safety. Abstinence as a portion of sex ed: GOOD Abstinence as the ONLY sex-ed: BAD
on Oct 01, 2006

Abstinence has come to be associated with religion. Specifically Christianity. The schools are going to resist teaching anything that is even remotely tied to religion

Bingo!!!  It's not just schools either, there are a lot of people who simply stop listening as soon as they realize Christianity is involved in a concept or idea. 

Perhaps if abstinence was presented in a different way it might go over better.  Most of the fans of abstinence I've come across don't want to talk or hear about other methods of birth control, they just want to push abstinence...and I think that's another reason why they get rejected.  Some kids are going to want to have sex before they're married, and they NEED to know about forms of birth control and how to have safe sex.  Simply telling them 'wait until you're married' and leaving it at that is not enough; it leaves them unprepared and in a certain amount of danger (IMO; they're at greater risk of unplanned pregnancy and contracting STD's).

Abstinence is a wonderful thing, but so are condoms and the birth control pill. 

 

on Oct 01, 2006
Some kids are going to want to have sex before they're married, and they NEED to know about forms of birth control and how to have safe sex. Simply telling them 'wait until you're married' and leaving it at that is not enough; it leaves them unprepared and in a certain amount of danger (IMO; they're at greater risk of unplanned pregnancy and contracting STD's).

Abstinence is a wonderful thing, but so are condoms and the birth control pill.


I think we need to remember that kids carry this knowledge with them for a lifetime, too. You need to teach about options other than abstinence because some kids MIGHT need the knowledge when they get married, or when they're in their 20's or 30's even. It's not just a "now" thing.
on Oct 01, 2006
keep in mind here, we are not trying to REPLACE the state sponsored curriculum but only want to be able to have an alternative for those parents and their kids who are teaching something different than the school is pushing. We don't want our kids putting condoms on a banana...(yes they are doing this in some classes). I feel that in many cases, this type of education is nothing more than encouraging the kids. Abstinence is SUPPOSED to be in the current program but as was stated above it usually gets very little play time if anything at all.

I'm tired of hearing that "kids are going to have sex anyway" so we might as well help them practice safe sex. Let's just lower the bar. They do drugs too, should we start handing out drugs as well. Why not? They are going to do it anyway. I know a few college age kids and 20 somethings that are still waiting for marriage. These kids are not wall flowers either by any stretch but have been taught at home that it's better for them every which way to wait and they chose to do so.

There are some kids that are wearing purity rings as a pledge to their girlfriends/boyfriends and God that they will wait. This goes along with something WyoMoo already said (thanks for your input) about parents not being able to force their kids. These kids have to make the decision for themselves, but we as parents should not lower the bar either and be enccourages to them. Keep the bar raised and let the kids make the decision if they want to meet it there or not. I don't believe in the shrugging of the shoulders and the "well they are going to do it anyway" mentality.





on Oct 01, 2006
Abstinence has come to be associated with religion. Specifically Christianity. The schools are going to resist teaching anything that is even remotely tied to religionBingo!!! It's not just schools either, there are a lot of people who simply stop listening as soon as they realize Christianity is involved in a concept or idea.


I'm not really sure where all this comes from. Are Christians the only people that ask their childrend to wait until they are marries before having sex?

Do the Jews endorse sex before marriage?
Does Islam endorse sex before mariage...the Buddists, Hindus?

Maybe some cultists encourage sex before marriage, but I'm just not clear of a religion that asks us not to abstain before marriage.

This is all a bunch of new-aged crap. How on earth did we make it all these years without condoms being tasted and slid onto wooden phalluses in elementary and middle schools?

I tell you what. My daughter comes home from school telling me they had her sucking condoms, and slipping them on wodden c*cks, somebody better look out. Some heads are going to roll.
on Oct 01, 2006
If young people do have sex, which schools discourage, they should know about condoms.


Do pre-high school boys and girls need to know what a condom tastes like!? WTF??!

How can anybody advocate this?? You must not have young children in this day and time.
on Oct 01, 2006
If young people do have sex, which schools discourage, they should know about condoms.


that's just it.....the schools ARE NOT discouraging this. It's NOT happening. Middle school kids especially 11 year olds should not know about condoms. Not really. They shouldn't even know about sex. Good Grief, I don't ever remember hearing anything like this when I was in 6th grade.

Some heads are going to roll.


I wish you were here with me to help fight this school board. We need more parents that are willing to stand up.

Do pre-high school boys and girls need to know what a condom tastes like!?


Heck NO!! I don't even need to know. I made it this far and I don't feel like I've missed out. This is really creeping me out and I'm the one who saw the video.



on Oct 01, 2006
I'm not really sure where all this comes from. Are Christians the only people that ask their childrend to wait until they are marries before having sex?

Do the Jews endorse sex before marriage?
Does Islam endorse sex before mariage...the Buddists, Hindus?


The opposite of condemnation is not necessarily endorsement. I don't ever remember any Jews, Buddists or Hindus condemning anybody's soul to hell for engaging in premarital sex-- but Christians, oh yea, I've definitely heard it from fellow Christians.
on Oct 01, 2006
They shouldn't even know about sex. Good Grief, I don't ever remember hearing anything like this when I was in 6th grade.



You're kidding here right? 11 year olds shouldn't know about sex? So what do you say to a 10 year old girl who has started her period? What reason do you give her for why her body "bleeds" every month?

Obviously every child is different, but when you sheild your kids from what sex is, I think you are asking for trouble. Open dialogue is the best bet--not silence until kids hit some magic age.
on Oct 01, 2006

They shouldn't even know about sex. Good Grief, I don't ever remember hearing anything like this when I was in 6th grade.

Well, I do, and I'm not too far away from 40.  I remember very well being taught about sex when I was 10.  A female teacher explained it to us, along with what to do if we got out period in school without any pads or tampons.

I'm GLAD I talk to my kids about sex and drugs (and rock and roll, as it happens).  We have open, honest dialogue, and they can come to me or their dad, ask questions and be given honest, truthful answers.  It wasn't that way when I was growing up, my mum gave me a book to read when I asked her about periods at the age of 8 or 9. I had to get my education from the teachers at school, and I said I wouldn't do that to my kids.  So, I haven't.

The best I can do as a parent is send my kids out into the world fully informed about as much as I can.  The worst thing a parent can do (IMO) is 'shelter' them and try to control every single thing.  The fallout from that kind of control can be just awful - ask my mom! (kidding)  Seriously, I've seen some people with trainwrecks for lives, and they're usually the folks who were controlled and uber-managed when they were kids.  They just went wild with excesses when they finally freed themselves from direct parental influence and ended up with some real issues because of it.

on Oct 01, 2006
the schools ARE NOT discouraging this. It's NOT happening. Middle school kids especially 11 year olds should not know about condoms. Not really. They shouldn't even know about sex.


Umm...I beg to differ. My school discouraged sex, but never taught us safe sex. The thing is...grade school kids know about sex, maybe not all the intricacies...but they know about it. I did when I was in grade school. And if one knows about sex, then they need to know about safe sex. Abstinence should be encouraged, which it is...but they should also focus on safe sex as well. No matter how much you try to brainwash kids, if they want to have sex or do drugs, they're going to do it...these programs are supposed to educate kids about the risks and actions to play it safely in addition to not doing it at all. I vote for more safe sex being taught...abstinence teaches nothing, it just tells you not to do something.

~Zoo
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