Should it be taught in the schools?
Published on September 29, 2006 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Misc
I spent some time last night at the school board meeting. There has been some heated controversy the last few months about teaching abstinence to the middle school students here. Right now they are being taught what the state recommends, and it's not an abstinence based program. So a group of parents have been making a statement armed with good documentation and organization. They are asking the school if they will consider teaching an alternative to what the state recommends for the parents who are trying to teach their children abstaining until marriage.

Boy, what a pandora box has been opened with this topic. We are talking 11-13 year olds. It's hard to believe but they are sexually active during this age. I was shocked when my kids were in this school years ago and found this to be true.

Anyway an abstinence group came in to give a presentation. They are currently in some school systems across the country and have been very successful in getting the kids to delay either their first sexual encounter or to wait entirely for marriage. The numbers have been very encouraging. They do an entry and exit survey before and after the program. Their findings show the kids are thinking very seriously about what they were taught with an increased number ending the program with the decision it's best to wait in comparison to the begininng when they were unsure and more likely to engage earlier.

The school board allowed an hour for this presentation and it was quite interesting to watch. This was my first meeting, and I could tell immediately who on the school board was disgusted and who was not by watching them. For some, their minds were not going to change by the look on their faces. They hardly looked at the booklets and paperwork passed out prior to the presentation. There was a reporter there as well taking notes. It will be front page when it comes out.

As I slid into my seat, a nurse friend whispered in my ear, "the name calling has begun." I guess these parents are being called right wingers among other things. I have signed on and will join the effort. I'll now be on that list.

The Heritage Foundation's mission is to try and help with behavior instead of dealing with the aftermath of the behavior. The presentation was very detailed, organized and articularly presented. They had it all done with Powerpoint compared to the school's presentation last week which was totally unorganized and overhead projector was used. There were nurses on both sides here who were being used as spokeswomen along the way.

The main spokesperson was the President of the Heritage Foundation, but then later a man who was probably in his 30's got up to speak. He would be an instructor along with the nurse who was with him. He made a good point. He said he never heard of abstinence as a young man and was always told when he asked about sex that "when he was ready" he'd know. So he'd always ask...."am I ready?" When he was in his 20's, he asked, "am I ready now?" He was never told it was best to wait until marriage. It was never clear to him. He wants the kids to be able to hear that alternative. They are not hearing this in the state's sex ed curriculums now.

This all came about because about a year ago there was a "health fair" at the HS. At that fair a Clinic was there and were handing out free condoms. Prizes were given out for any that would put a condom on a wooden structure built just for this type of thing. A kid on the sly went and video taped the whole thing. You can hear the coaxing by the adult in charge and very clearly can see the hesitation and embarrasment of the kids. They were being shown different flavored condoms and encouraged to taste them even. It was pretty disturbing. The condoms were being passed out like candy, and on the video you could see full buckets of condoms free for the taking.

This video made it right to the Principal's office. The few parents involved in this were enraged. This could not be broadcasted because the kids faces were shown and since this could cause some problems the video didn't go too far. I saw the video. It was very upsetting. I felt our kids were being sold down the river and my kids were not involved since they are now gone from the school system. Thank God.

What shocked me even more were the school board members who were enraged. They said things like...."I'm not going to tell my son to wait until marriage and I don't want anyone else to either." "If our kids want to have sex, it's their decision." Hello?

I don't get it. My question is .....Why is it bad to encourage your child to wait until marriage? What's wrong with giving them the alternative to what is currently being taught by letting them know it's ok to wait ? Is it that bad to tell them they don't have to do what everyone else is doing? As I see it, the bar should be lifted, and it's good for all involved. Afterall we're talking 11 year olds. Am I missing something?









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on Sep 30, 2006
Tasting the condom?


I'd just like to say I think that's massively out of line. I reckon sex ed should wait til the kids are 13 or so anyway. There are very few sexually active kids younger than 13.
on Sep 30, 2006
This totally reminds me of that South Park Episode where the kids have to take Sex Ed.


Yes...and that was hilarious...yet still teaches us an important lesson.

~Zoo
on Sep 30, 2006
I can't say I've got a lot of faith in abstinence-based programs. They've never worked in the past (eg in the pre-sex ed days) so I'm not sure why they'd work now.


I agree. In fact no program involving sex works, we are programed with it. Its a matter of encouraging or disuading preteen and pre-pubecent people from performing in the act.

I for one am glad they had condom handouts, cos I wasn't rich enough to buy my own as well as pay for all the other stuff in life when I was in high school.


11,12,and 13 year olds are not yet in high-school. My view on HS students is a bit different than those in middle and elementary school.

on Sep 30, 2006
I have no problem with teaching abstinence, but it should not be an abstinence only program. And I have to say I'd be shocked to learn that schools don't teach abstinence. My health classes in high school talked about abstinence all the time, and then talked about safe sex as something to practice when you were older and ready.

My problem lies in the "until marriage" line. I have no problem saying "wait to have sex until you can both financially and emotionally deal with the results of your actions (ie, kids)." But the "until marriage" is a Christian thing, and has no place in a public school. Let's remember, not everyone thinks that sex before marriage is a sin--but most can agree that sex at age 11 is just wrong.
on Sep 30, 2006
You said that the "Heritage Foundation's mission is to try and help with behavior instead of dealing with the aftermath of the behavior. "

The Heritage Foundation defines itself as "The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institute - a think tank - whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies." Source: http://www.heritage.org/about/
Right above their Mission Statement is an endorsement by Rush Limbaugh.

Not that I am saying that they are mutually exclusive, but the Heritage Foundation makes its agenda pretty clear. They may be helpful, I don't want to dismiss them out of hand, but they were there to promote a Conservative agenda. One would not gather that from your statement.

The story is a little different if you say "I went to a school board meeting where the President of a group that wants to promote a conservative agenda spoke and the parents didn't want that agenda promoted in the classrooms."

Was anyone actually saying that abstinence should not be taught or were they rather saying that abstinence should not be EXCLUSIVELY taught?

The story about the health fair doesn't sound right to me either. Were there teachers or parents present? Was it during school or after school?

I have an pre-teen daughter and like many parents, I have spoken to her about sex. I also teach her Sunday school class and we talk about morality and behavior. There are real issues and dangers out there, and I am concerned and sometimes worried. But I favor a fact based curriculum that includes ALL the facts. Then I will help her with her life decisions.
on Sep 30, 2006
Parents need to realize that if they are going to complain about schools teaching 'health issues' it is the fault of parents not petitioning their school board to cease such talk. Instead, because parents have handed off this issue to the schools, they've put themselves in a position to only complain of the conduct of school officials attempts to please everyone at once.

on Sep 30, 2006
Instead, because parents have handed off this issue to the schools, they've put themselves in a position to only complain of the conduct of school officials attempts to please everyone at once.


Did this actually happen? When did parents decide the school was going to 'handle' these sex/health issues, or were these programs just instituted and developed into what they have become today?

Parents need to realize that if they are going to complain about schools teaching 'health issues' it is the fault of parents not petitioning their school board to cease such talk.


I wonder what a petition would do now. I doubt the sex-ed classed could ever be abolished; there seems to be some state/federal mandate that requires a school have this kind of program?

What Im wondering is if parents ever voted this crap into their schools, or were these programs sim-ply implemented by the government? Did the government TAKE away our parents responsibilities?
on Sep 30, 2006
In 1918, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) told American parents that “it is no longer possible for you to choose whether your child will learn about sex or not.” According to the PHS, most American boys learned about sex from “improper sources” by the age of nine. The “unfortunate effect of these early impressions” had, PHS warned, not only resulted in a gross misunderstanding of sex, but also been a major factor in the spread of venereal disease (The Parents’ Part [the U.S. Public Health Service, 1918], p. 5). To counter and correct this miseducation, PHS joined with the Young Men’s Christian Association (YMCA) to create a sex education program aimed at adolescent boys. Officially launched in the spring of 1919, the “Keeping Fit” campaign provides a unique insight into the federal government’s attempt to medicalize and regulate American sexuality through the forum of public health. - Abstract of a paper from the 'Scholarly Journal' I can't get to.

I'm guessing those and Planned Parenthood's role are the origins of today's sex ed programs.

In Missouri, 'Health' classes are carried by many public schools because they are paid additional monies for them - that is how they become referred to as 'required'. The local school boards don't wish to bar more money coming in to schools so they will sign any deal they can to bring in more gold to the coffers. Elementary / Middle Schools must provide some HIV/Aids and Std prevention Tobacco, Alcohol, and drug awareness time to be 'accredited' schools in the eyes of the state.

Parents may 'opt-out' their children from the HIV/Aids and Std prevention classes - but who's telling the parents when the programs begin?

Participating Missouri schools also receive federal monies for teaching abstinence.
http://www.siecus.org/policy/states/2005/mandates/MO.html

What Im wondering is if parents ever voted this crap into their schools, or were these programs sim-ply implemented by the government?

It's a combination of both, Xythe.
on Sep 30, 2006
Deference the link is here: Link

Then, as now, sex education was funded in an attempt to stem the tide of Sexually Transmitted Diseases.

As Deference also noted, there is Federal funding for programs to teach and promote abstinence. So really the issue is NOT about teaching abstinence but about the right to teach about alternatives.

If young people do have sex, which schools discourage, they should know about condoms.

on Sep 30, 2006
Thanks, Larry.
on Sep 30, 2006
The thing is, though, that sex education in schools has not hindered the spread of STDs. Diseases such as chlamydia and gonnorhea have been on the rise for years; the highest instances of which being observed in 15-19 year olds - school age (just check out the facts on the Center for Disease Control). Just two years ago I was enrolled in a (required) college health course at a large, reputable university. The text actually included a section dedicated to abstinence, but did we study it? Of course not. The material was simply skipped, and never tested on. Instead we spent an entire day studying graphic images of these diseases on a computer slide show, after which the "professor" brought various birth control devices (condoms, IUDs, BCPs, etc...) into the lecture hall, and proceeded to LICK the flavored condoms herself in front of over 150 students! You had better believe that a large lecture of college aged individuals found this to be a riot when their 50-something teacher was demonstrating the use of flavored condoms. What a way to encourage students to engage in something reckless. The professor was not only acting extremely irresponsibly (and WAY out of line), she was cheapening sex for what it really is. It's one thing for schools to teach disease control and awareness; it's an entirely different animal when said schools take advantage of young minds (particularly preteens, and HS aged), and run recklessly in a "sex is a fun game, here are the tools" direction. Willing parents can only compete for so long when a school their child is suppose to trust and respect is teaching something so different than what they are learning at home. Sooner or later the child is going to remember what he laughed about with his buddies at school, and how much fun it sounded, that - particularly in the context of an already curious age group - is when never learning abstinence in schools becomes dangerous.
on Sep 30, 2006

Yep.

Abstinence has come to be associated with religion. Specifically Christianity. The schools are going to resist teaching anything that is even remotely tied to religion.

I understand that since the bible has been translated into modern English they're going to stop teaching English classes too.

Out of the mouths of babes!  That is oh so true, and sad.  I could not say it better.  It is the epitomy of what is going on.  It has nothing to do with kids. It has everything to do with fear (not separation) of religion.

on Sep 30, 2006

agree with this, but does sex-ed need to begin at 11 y/o?

Yes it does Xythe.  I have seen too many at that age engaged in sexual activities.  I dont like it, and I dont approve of it.  But it is happening.

on Sep 30, 2006
Exactly Amanda. Everything you said was true.

That is exactly what is happening in the HS level as well. Sex is mocked and de valued and the kids have no idea what they are playing around with. The state claims also they teach abstinence as part of their program but we've seen here they also practically skip over it as nonesense. What is bothersome is the push to get our kids in these programs making sure they get the needed materials. They are building clientel IMO.

What we're trying to do here is offer an alternative. We are fighting for a piece of the pie so to speak. It all comes down to follow the money trail. If we can get abstinence in the school system as others have it's been shown the clinics don't do the business they did before this program comes into the school. It gives the kids an alternative the State is not accounting for. They figure they're going to "do it" anyway so we might as well get with the program and help them.

I heard an owner of three abortion clinics brag that when they went into the school systems, business sky rocketed. I've heard this more than once. People need to wake up. Our kids are being used as pawns for others to make money. It's disguised as tho they are concerned for their well being but it's all a lie. I'm absolutely sure of that.

As far as what's going on in the schools the parents really have no idea. Like the clinics that show up at school at these health fairs. The parents are not made aware. We were not told about this. It leaked out by a couple of kids and the video was proof of what went on that day. BTW, the HS health teacher (totally immoral by our standards) was seen on this video as well laughing as the kids were being goaded into trying these condoms flavors. She's also the HS basketball coach. It made me sick to see a young 14 year old girl in the front of the crowd on the video watching what was going on and being encouraged by the local HS teacher (what we saw on the video) who was smiling as if she was giving her assent.

I have seen too many at that age engaged in sexual activities. I dont like it, and I dont approve of it. But it is happening.


Yes, this is true. I was shocked when my kids were in the middle school and I was told the 6th graders were having sex. I'm not kidding when I say I almost fell off my chair.

The following paragraph is from the lady who is the forerunner in our campaign. She sent me this portion of an email the day after the meeting and totally backs up what Amanda, above mentioned.

The state's sex ed curriculum, aka Comprehensive Family Life education, teaches kids to use contraceptives or condoms when they decide to fornicate and the HF program teaches skills to abstain from sexual activity until marriage. I did a little research and can state unequivacally that the proponents of state sex ed (who claim they "are making a positive difference in our state's youth"), have failed miserably insofar as the growing rate of STDs and STIs in the teen population. They totally ignore the fact that STDs, particularly chlamydia has steadily risen in this state's teens from 1,474 in 2000 to 2,113 in 2004.

Was anyone actually saying that abstinence should not be taught or were they rather saying that abstinence should not be EXCLUSIVELY taught?


Well there was a prior vote two months or so ago before these presentations in which the board voted 7-6 NOT in favor of including an abstinence program. On Oct 11 we will re convene for another vote. Even tho we don't get to vote (only the SB does) We plan on packing the school this time to show how important this is. We already submitted a petition with 129 names on it asking for a program to be instituted. It would be, I believe, a 10 week program.

I can't see why they can't have one semester with the current system and the other semester with the abstinence based program with the kids and their parents making the decision which one they would go into. That makes sense to me. It would be very interesting which class would be most requested.
on Sep 30, 2006
I could be completely wrong on who Amanda is, but if I am correct, I might suggest that she take the plank out of her own eye before discussing the splinter in the eye of another. I'm specifically referring to the comment on "reckless behavior". (My advance apologies if I am wrong about who Amanda is).

Also, KFC--please explain to me what you would teach in an abstinence program that could possibily take an entire semester--that seems patently ridiculous to me.

"Abstinence--the only 100% effective method for both birth control and protecting yourself from an STD." What else, pray tell, could you possibly include that wouldn't fit better in a church sermon than a class room lecture?
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