Should it be taught in the schools?
Published on September 29, 2006 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Misc
I spent some time last night at the school board meeting. There has been some heated controversy the last few months about teaching abstinence to the middle school students here. Right now they are being taught what the state recommends, and it's not an abstinence based program. So a group of parents have been making a statement armed with good documentation and organization. They are asking the school if they will consider teaching an alternative to what the state recommends for the parents who are trying to teach their children abstaining until marriage.

Boy, what a pandora box has been opened with this topic. We are talking 11-13 year olds. It's hard to believe but they are sexually active during this age. I was shocked when my kids were in this school years ago and found this to be true.

Anyway an abstinence group came in to give a presentation. They are currently in some school systems across the country and have been very successful in getting the kids to delay either their first sexual encounter or to wait entirely for marriage. The numbers have been very encouraging. They do an entry and exit survey before and after the program. Their findings show the kids are thinking very seriously about what they were taught with an increased number ending the program with the decision it's best to wait in comparison to the begininng when they were unsure and more likely to engage earlier.

The school board allowed an hour for this presentation and it was quite interesting to watch. This was my first meeting, and I could tell immediately who on the school board was disgusted and who was not by watching them. For some, their minds were not going to change by the look on their faces. They hardly looked at the booklets and paperwork passed out prior to the presentation. There was a reporter there as well taking notes. It will be front page when it comes out.

As I slid into my seat, a nurse friend whispered in my ear, "the name calling has begun." I guess these parents are being called right wingers among other things. I have signed on and will join the effort. I'll now be on that list.

The Heritage Foundation's mission is to try and help with behavior instead of dealing with the aftermath of the behavior. The presentation was very detailed, organized and articularly presented. They had it all done with Powerpoint compared to the school's presentation last week which was totally unorganized and overhead projector was used. There were nurses on both sides here who were being used as spokeswomen along the way.

The main spokesperson was the President of the Heritage Foundation, but then later a man who was probably in his 30's got up to speak. He would be an instructor along with the nurse who was with him. He made a good point. He said he never heard of abstinence as a young man and was always told when he asked about sex that "when he was ready" he'd know. So he'd always ask...."am I ready?" When he was in his 20's, he asked, "am I ready now?" He was never told it was best to wait until marriage. It was never clear to him. He wants the kids to be able to hear that alternative. They are not hearing this in the state's sex ed curriculums now.

This all came about because about a year ago there was a "health fair" at the HS. At that fair a Clinic was there and were handing out free condoms. Prizes were given out for any that would put a condom on a wooden structure built just for this type of thing. A kid on the sly went and video taped the whole thing. You can hear the coaxing by the adult in charge and very clearly can see the hesitation and embarrasment of the kids. They were being shown different flavored condoms and encouraged to taste them even. It was pretty disturbing. The condoms were being passed out like candy, and on the video you could see full buckets of condoms free for the taking.

This video made it right to the Principal's office. The few parents involved in this were enraged. This could not be broadcasted because the kids faces were shown and since this could cause some problems the video didn't go too far. I saw the video. It was very upsetting. I felt our kids were being sold down the river and my kids were not involved since they are now gone from the school system. Thank God.

What shocked me even more were the school board members who were enraged. They said things like...."I'm not going to tell my son to wait until marriage and I don't want anyone else to either." "If our kids want to have sex, it's their decision." Hello?

I don't get it. My question is .....Why is it bad to encourage your child to wait until marriage? What's wrong with giving them the alternative to what is currently being taught by letting them know it's ok to wait ? Is it that bad to tell them they don't have to do what everyone else is doing? As I see it, the bar should be lifted, and it's good for all involved. Afterall we're talking 11 year olds. Am I missing something?









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on Sep 30, 2006
Am I missing something?


Yep.

Abstinence has come to be associated with religion. Specifically Christianity. The schools are going to resist teaching anything that is even remotely tied to religion.

I understand that since the bible has been translated into modern English they're going to stop teaching English classes too.
on Sep 30, 2006
hahahah ....hey Mason don't tell anyone....but the bible is in just about every language now.

The Heritage Foundation makes sure they don't mention religion or anything remotely close to that in their curriculum just for that purpose. Their goal is the well being of the kids, emotionally, physically, and spiritually and they said that's as far as they go with any spiritual talk. They are not selling anything either so our kids are not being "sold out" by this organization.

on Sep 30, 2006
Abstinence is okay to teach...but they also have to teach safe sex along with that. That's what gets me...you can tell someone to not do something all you want...but chances are, if they feel like it, they will do it and you should teach them the safe way to do that if that's what they choose. Abstinence only is a bad idea...that's all I'm going to say...it needs to be partnered with safe sex.

Also, I'm not sure why it's the school's responsibility in the first place...if you want something like that taught to your kids, why not teach them yourself?

~Zoo
on Sep 30, 2006
Also, I'm not sure why it's the school's responsibility in the first place...if you want something like that taught to your kids, why not teach them yourself?


Actually I agree with this in principle but if the schools insist on teaching a sex ed class they should include abstinence as a part of the course.

on Sep 30, 2006
What shocked me even more were the school board members who were enraged. They said things like...."I'm not going to tell my son to wait until marriage and I don't want anyone else to either." "If our kids want to have sex, it's their decision."


I wonder who will be shocked when somebodies 12 or 13 year old daughter comes home knocked-up by some middle school kid. Hey wait. Dont younger girls just getting into sex go for older guys? Then again, I guess theres no worry of pregnancy because the kids are all going to use those free condoms like they are told right? NOT.



Why is it bad to encourage your child to wait until marriage?


When I was told to wait until I was married by my parents as a young adolecent, I figured it was like most things my parents told me was morally correct, and it generally went in one ear and out the other. However, they did preach this whenever the "sex" talks came up. I can assure you my parents were NOT handing me condoms, and certainly not having me taste them!! Lets teach our young girls what it tasts like to suck a wrapped c*ck...cripes, what are these people thinking. F*cking do-gooders. I bet none of them have any 12, 13, y/o kids.

I guess these numb-skulls forgot how much violence is caused over sexual relationships (ie, crimes of passion). Is it not bad enough kids tote guns around, now we need to give them yet more reasons to use them? After all, we know how responsible adolecents are.

There seems to be no way of stopping this crazy shit...why do I even waste my breath.

on Sep 30, 2006
Actually I agree with this in principle but if the schools insist on teaching a sex ed class they should include abstinence as a part of the course.


I agree with this, but does sex-ed need to begin at 11 y/o?
on Sep 30, 2006
Nothing wrong with abstinance other than I would die.
on Sep 30, 2006
I think in any school that teaches sex ed, they should also have to teach abstinence.

I can't believe they were handing out condoms. Wow.

It makes it seem more sinister in my mind, as a parent, when adults my children respect and care about, talk about sex and how to go about it "correctly." Then won't go into any details about how to stay out of it too.

Scary.
on Sep 30, 2006
Also, I'm not sure why it's the school's responsibility in the first place...if you want something like that taught to your kids, why not teach them yourself?


I agree it's the parent's job to teach this.. But if the parents at home are teaching their kids and then they go to school and are taught direct contradictions to what their parents taught, what kind of message are we sending our kids? It's very confusing especially for this age. And what about their peers who are not being taught at home? How do they influence our kids? This is why these parents want their kids to hear the same things that are being taught at home especially since health is a requirement. It's good for the kids to be reinforced. They need that.

For us and some other parents I know, we took our kids out of the health classes. There was a bit of fuss but the school relented. It was easier I think. One guidance counselor told me to keep it quiet and not to broadcast that he was passing my senior son thru even though he didn't take the health class when he was a freshmen.
So shhhhh keep it a secret ok?


on Sep 30, 2006
Actually I agree with this in principle but if the schools insist on teaching a sex ed class they should include abstinence as a part of the course.


Yes, abstinence as part of the course...not THE course. Best to teach them how to be safe as well as encouraging them to not engage....especially at preteen level. The basic sex ed at my school was don't do it, don't do it, don't do it...scary diseases, pregnancy boogahboogahbooga!!! I don't think it was very helpful in terms of actually teaching us anything.

But if the parents at home are teaching their kids and then they go to school and are taught direct contradictions to what their parents taught, what kind of message are we sending our kids? It's very confusing especially for this age. And what about their peers who are not being taught at home? How do they influence our kids? This is why these parents want their kids to hear the same things that are being taught at home especially since health is a requirement. It's good for the kids to be reinforced. They need that.


Heh...are they so easily misled?...Funny, I always decided on things for myself...but then again, I'm not an average person.(Wow...that makes me sound like a dick. ) Peer pressure had absolutely no effect on me...but I suppose it does for some kids.

~Zoo
on Sep 30, 2006
For us and some other parents I know, we took our kids out of the health classes.


I imagine this is one reason Gideon home-schools his children. I really hope he responds to your article KFC.
on Sep 30, 2006
I really hope he responds to your article KFC.


ya, me too. I agree with Gid on this. If I were just having kids now.....no question. I'd homeschool in a heartbeat or put them in a good private school. It's getting worse by the day in the public school systems. Around here the Homeschool parents call them "government schools." They're right too. Many parents don't realize how bad this is until the kid hits HS tho.

I'm not an average person


Peer pressure had absolutely no effect on me...


well Zoo, I'd say you're one in a million........

on Sep 30, 2006
well Zoo, I'd say you're one in a million..


Really? Do people bend to this peer pressure thing that easily? I remember everyone discussing it...but I never really experienced it. When people said, hey...do this or try thing this, I just said no. Which I guess is the right thing to say...so, I win?...Seriously though...in 18 years I've had no alcohol, cigarrettes, or any other kind of drug that wasn't medically necessary. Maybe I'm a freak...

~Zoo
on Sep 30, 2006
I can't say I've got a lot of faith in abstinence-based programs. They've never worked in the past (eg in the pre-sex ed days) so I'm not sure why they'd work now.

I for one am glad they had condom handouts, cos I wasn't rich enough to buy my own as well as pay for all the other stuff in life when I was in high school. I could have picked up some really fun STDs if it wasn't for those gov programs.

I don't care if it's taught as part of the course - presumably with the 'best if you don't, BUT' provisio - but it shouldn't be the only thing taught.
on Sep 30, 2006
Do people bend to this peer pressure thing that easily?


Yes, they do. Like willows on a windy day.

I have no problems with the teaching of abstinence. I don't think they wait till you're married part is as important as the waiting til you're older. Maybe at 11-13 years old it's easier to say wait until you're married and then as the kid gets older they can make that decision for themselves. Personally, I think that there are a LOT of reasons to wait to have sex and I think those should get equal weight to safe sex. And as far as abstinence itself goes, since it is an approach to sexual behaviour, why can't it get fair play in terms of presenting fair and well rounded knowledge about human sexuality? Why does sex ed have to be "this is sex and this is how it's done and this is how to do it so it doesn't ruin your life."?

That getting kids to taste the condoms thing is insane!!!!!!!!!! Handing out condoms in a junior high... borderline for me. 11 year olds? Too far. Getting kids to feel comfortable putting it on something... Uh... I guess it could be helpful in encouraging someone to use it if they had some practice and so didn't freak out and opt out because of being embarrassed about how to use it, but it seems pretty icky. Tasting the condom? WTF????? That pretty clearly goes into the condoms are to be used in PRIVATE!!! And adults encouraging them is pretty scary on a variety of levels.

This totally reminds me of that South Park Episode where the kids have to take Sex Ed.
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