This is antecdotal and far from a scientific study, but several girls I knew in highschool and college had abortions.

Every single one of them regret it.

Every single one. 

And the women I know who gave their babies up for adoption?  They're just as emotionally damaged.  In a few cases, they're worse.

Yes, I also don't know any who are celebratory about having to abort their child as if they made the right decision.  

I do know of a  young lady who recently gave her child up via adoption.  It's an open adoption and from what I can see and understand it's a win-win for all.  The decision beforehand was excruciating for the very young mother and her family but now she's happy knowing she made the right decision   The baby is thriving in his new environment. 

I do not see what the problem is here. There is no doubt of the right or wrong of it ... IS THERE? If you see some vantage point in stating the obvious, well I don’t see it. I am sure the people you reference and their ilk can supply just as many examples in support of their warped arguments as you can … it does not matter. All you end up doing is stoking fires and fighting with them (kind of like me) and there is no need for that nonsense at all.

In order to seriously (come on) have this discussion; YOU have to accept the PRECONDITION that there is some merit in there ‘warped minds’ in order to be able to argue with them. I will not allow them that stipulation and therefore do not place any stock in there excuses … We all are right and they are wrong … end of story.

All I saw was complaining … nothing about what can be done … even though it seems to be out of our hands right now … we do still have to do more than just complain, right?

KFC

Didn't mean to sound so sharp, it is just so simple for me to decide FIRST if there is merit, and if I do not find any, I try NOT to allow myself to be emotionally drawn into a fight because that is all you will find there.

Of course there is misery, death and destruction and people are crushed on both sides of the 'argument': But I thought the issue of abortion was the actual topic.

Ah, therein is the difference.  I don't know anyone who did an open adoption, but that actually makes sense.  I'm curious what the little girl (13) next door is going to do.  Right now she plans on keeping the baby, but her 13 year old boyfriend's (and babydaddy's) family are in a much better poistion to raise the child.  She doesn't know it yet, but they plan on suing for sole custody.

In her case, because she plans to keep it, I don't see any win-win.  This is going to be painful all round.  And to make matters worse, her Grandpa died over the weekend (lung cancer).  I don't know what they're going to do....

Thanks for the article and bringing the link to our attention and giving it this apt title.

Lies and lying propaganda that supports them keep the abortion pot boiling and the abortion industry rolling in the big bucks. That is what all these lies are really about.

These particular lies not only in the UK but all over the world have been spewed for quite some time.

yes, Lula.  I remember reading the history of how the whole Roe Vs. Wade decision was made by the lady that was used as their test case.  She never ended up having her abortion and was tossed aside like garbage once the pro-abortion people got their decision.   Norma McCorvey went on to work in abortion clinics afterwards for a while and later wrote about how the whole thing was founded on a lie as she exposed one lie after another. 

I agree. Seen this before.  It doesn't work.   The girl I wrote about picked out and met the adoptive parents after going over many applicants.   While in the hospital she changed her mind because the nurse brought the baby in to her to nurse (they messed up) and that was that. 

So she brought the baby home to her mom's and the adoptive parent's dismay.  A month or two later she changed her mind when she realized how much work this was going to be.  Now because the adoption is open she'll be able to get updates of his well-being and I think visit him from time to time. 

sooooo exactly what are you trying to say BT?  Are you actually (gasp) on our side of the fence on this one? 

Why do I have to accept anything from their "warped minds" to be able to argue with them?  Who says I want to argue?   I try to make it a point NOT to argue with someone with a warped mind because what good will it do besides take up valuable time that could be used elsewhere? 

[quote]Tell that to the thousands of women who have aborted their babies and lived to tell about it. Many of them are seen marching for life every January either at their state capitols or in Washington warning others NOT to abort their unborn children like they did. It was the trauma and guilt that pressed them to participate in these marches. [/quote]

Exactly. Many of these women belong to the campaign www.SilentNoMoreAwareness.org.

They also participate in the march and tell their stories exposing the abortion industry lies. They know for sure taht abortion has a negative side that is being hidden, denied and lied about.  

Some childbirths end in death for the child, or the parent or sometimes both.  Every abortion ends in the death of one of them.  Simple mathematics indicates abortion is a lot more dangerous to life. 

Lulu:

“sooooo exactly what are you trying to say BT?  Are you actually (gasp) on our side of the fence on this one?” Lulu, I do not have any fences, you do as you have just stated. You and I have already had this discussion (or was it Lulu?) and you already know I do not believe in infanticide so this is nothing but a dig at me, silly girl. Real righteous of you.

BoobzTwo:

“In order to seriously (come on) have this discussion; YOU have to accept the PRECONDITION that there is some merit in there ‘warped minds’ in order to be able to argue with them.”  It just seems straight forward to me. ????

Lulu:

Why do I have to accept anything from their "warped minds" to be able to argue with them?  Who says I want to argue?   I try to make it a point NOT to argue with someone with a warped mind because what good will it do besides take up valuable time that could be used elsewhere?  

1. I said you should not accept them or their arguments, so you and your anger are alone here.
2. You told me yourself (or was it KFC?) that you enjoy a good argument.
3. I am one of those warped minds you do not want to argue with … care to look at my previous articles?
4. I have been trying to tell yous guys that you have been wasting my time, but that did not denture you either did it.
5. So no, I do not think you are practicing Christianity here; you are being spiteful and hateful, so sad.
6. You have to use your eyes to see properly, not your anger, IMO.

Lulu, sorry, supposed to be KFC in my last post.

BT posts:

 From the link KFC provided, we see the problem is that the pro-abortion advocates are spewing lies for the consumption of the general public.

We know it is lies becasue of common sense (pregnancy is natural and abortion is a violent act) and as DRG points out by simple math.

One vantage point is that it's always good to get info like this out....by sharing it with us on JU. We in turn may share it with others. Also, it's a learning curve...there are X number of people who may read this and not have ever known about it otherwise.

Actually they can't give examples in support of their agrument that giving birth is more hurtful to women than abortion, so they lie.

If one is pro-life ...his/her goal is to win the fight to end abortion on demand and restore protection to the innocent baby in the womb. Exposing pro-abortion warped arguments (lies) always matters.

today my bible study teacher said "if a lie gets a head start, it's hard for the truth to catch up." 

to which I said in a written note I passed him later... "BUT the truth always rises to the top because the best friend of truth is time." 

Eventually this will all get sorted out.  The truth always prevails.