Lulu:

If one is pro-life ...his/her goal is to win the fight to end abortion on demand and restore protection to the innocent baby in the womb. Exposing pro-abortion warped arguments (lies) always matters.

I wasn't talking about the morality, only the stupidity. The truth is that they can make arguments to support their morbid policies ... as evidenced by the appalling numbers of abortions. And you can bet they, the monsters will argue with you and tell you all about your lies …???. So we all sit around and argue why everyone else is wrong. Might as well pound your head into a wall (I speak from experience, hehehe).

This to me is just posturing and to what ends besides arguments I cannot see.  If you want to actually be constructive, I would think organizations like “Planned Parenthood” (and a gazillion others I suppose) should be if not shutdown, to at least attempt to shut down their funding. It is amazing how many things just go away when the $’s are removed from the arguments.  I guess I am pragmatic in matters where the opposition has no moral standing and I just refuse to allow them a foothold at the table … you do not think they are going to be convinced of anything you say do you ... as long as they have the $’s and Government support?

My suggestion would be to stop patting yourselves on the back … and DO SOMETHING … other than discuss (seemingly amongst yourselves only?) the merits and the right of it … You cannot win the battle if all you are willing to is talk … and who do you think all your exposing matters to … them???

KFC:

Here you go with the truth again. I don't know if you have noticed, but the truth seems to be losing most of the arguments today. But you seem to be happy waiting for the end of mankind to prove your truth. I prefer to do something about it now, because it is a moot point when all of us are gone. You cannot win the fight if all you do is talk about it.

 

Lula posts:

Actually, on the subject of abortion, the truth is prevailing..the pro-life movement is winning the fight to end abortion on demand. 

Look at the ever-growing involvement of young people in all aspects of the culture of life and how they are speaking up.

Look at the direction of conversions ....they are going from pro-abortion to pro-life. I'm thinking of Abby Johnson..Have you read her book, UNplanned"? How many former pregnancy resource center directors or workers have repented of saving babies and are now pro-abortion? It just doesn't happpen, does it?

How about the tidal wave of women who regret their abortion publically speaking out? This puts the abortion advocates in quite a dilemna. 

Killing babies in the womb is a bloody business. How about the fact that abortuaries (clinics) are closing all over the country.  

How about the fact that legal evidence is mounting that the Roe vs. Wade decision was wrong and that more and more people are recognizing that the personhood of the unborn child be accorded with rights and protections of our US Constitution.

As for the truth, what about the growing mountain of medical, psychological and sociological evidence that abortion harms women, men and families? The arguments from medicine, science, psychology, sociology, law, ethics, and religion all support the culture of life..ie the pro-life view.

 

Sorry about the way the quotes came out in my last post.

Lulu:

I guess I am just going to have to stop using question marks too. All things considered, I suppose it is only natural you would (disregard everything I told you at least 3 times now, AGAIN) and take anything from me, in this light, go figure.

I am tired of your truth of truths … we are talking about human beings being murdered here … and you just want to be TRUE! I do not study abortion either … the act is all I need. I will grant you all you have said here (like I have a choice); just answer me this one question: With all your pursuits and endeavors … Why is the abortion rate increasing? You better try harder or differently.

How do you always figure out my devilish plots to subvert you … You are amazing … consistancy is your way right?

Nothing wrong with the quotes, just the way you looked at them???



We are talking about human beings being murdered here IS not only my truth of truths, but the unversal truth of truths.

  

I surely do...glad you noticed. Shouldn't every one want to be true?

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Correct, the abortion rate has increased amongst teenage age girls up to 19.

Any objective person can only conclude taht the rise in abortion rates amongst this age group is becasue they are encouraged to be sexually active through institutionalized K-12th grade classroom Sex-Ed instruction innocuously disguised as "Health Education".  Planned Parenthood and its allies, a coalition of financially vested advocacy organizations, develop the Sex-Ed curriculum, teach the teachers the curriculum, provide the literature, books, videos, condoms, etc.

These organizations are the forces behind promoting so called responsible sexual behavior. The goal is not to discourage these girls from being sexually active, but to teach them how, when and where to acquire and use contraceptives . Abortion is discussed as an aspect of birth control.

Who gains when these girls become sexually active and when the so-called 'safe-sex' approach doesn't work? It would be PP and its allies wouldn't it?

Can you see what's happening here? PP and these very organizations have a whopper of a financial vested  interest in keeping these girls sexually active and when they become pregnant abortion results. 

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Lulu: Yes I can!!! But I am not the one that needs convincing ... and neither are you ...

All I am trying to point out is the fact that we are losing the battle; come on, use your God given head. If things are not advancing in the proper direction (as we all agree they are not), then maybe you need to refocus on technique used (with the desired results themselves of prime concern), and stop pressing theology. People find it difficult at best to compete with perfectness (of which they are incapable of anyway), and they have actually been known to listen to reason … if given the chance? STOP trying to make Christians out of everyone and concentrate on making them human … again.

... Stating the obvious accomplishes nothing ... one step at a time, as we all learned  from birth.

 

see that's where you don't get it BT being an atheist and all.  That's EXACTLY what we do need.  Theology is nothing but (Theos means God/ology means study of) the study of God. 

Maybe if we did it HIS way, we'd see how well it would work.  We've been doing it OUR way for so long.  No wonder we're all messed up.  So like Dr. Phil asks... "how's it working for ya?" 

 Christians CAN'T make other Christians.  It's impossible.  Doesn't happen like that.  We're not the ones that are giving birth.  It's God's job, not ours. 

 

 

 

 

KFC:

Excrete or get off the pot ... At what point in your righteousness are you going to stop concentrating on the REAL TRUTH … and concentrate on the actual truth … You are losing this battle … and I am not the enemy! And if Christians cannot make other Christians (it doesn’t work that way, it’s impossible?), why do you spend a majority of your time trying to doing so?

... being an atheist and all ...

what's the difference? 

Oh..and I do not claim to be a righteous person btw.  Next to God, even my best righteous moment is but filthy rags to Him. 

it's not my battle to lose and you are, biblically speaking, the enemy.  There is no fellowship between light and darkness.  Light dispels the darkness.  There is no fellowship between oil and water.  They do not mix well.  It's the same with the converted and the unconverted.  It's a spiritual matter. 

Why do you say that I am?  Because I speak from a biblical worldview?  That means I'm trying to make Christians?  Well that would be like saying you're trying to birth atheists.  It's a double sided argument.  You see thru the lens of humanism and I see thru the lens of scripture. 

I have No power to "make Christians."   It's the job of the Holy Spirit to open hearts and minds.  Not mine. 

BoobzTwo posts:

Yes, it's about abortion and people of all stripes, persuasions and beliefs understand that abortion is wrong.

People don't have to study abortion to know it's wrong.

You obviously don't know much about the pro-life movement's work through the years since 1973. This helps explains why you say things like:

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LULA POSTS:

BOOBZtWO POSTS

I know it must seem that we (the pro-life movement) are losing the battle, but I would say we are coming round the bend and winning the battle to end abortion. Things are indeed advancing in the pro-life direction. 

For example, in 1993 there were over 2,000 abortuaries (clinics). Today there are less than half of that. Gosnell's was one of the latest to be shut down.  He's on trial for killing hundreds of baby after they were born.

PP bloody deeds and corruption has been/is being exposed bigtime. Yes, what has been going on for years that PP routinely offers abortion to minors.  Have you not seen the news reports showing videos exposing PP employees who ignored; covered up and didn't report sex abuse of minor girls?

Abortion is a bloody business. And the abortion industry is running out of abortionists who'll perform the dirty deed. Even those doctors who consider themselves pro-abortion won't  perform the procedure. You might say in this case, we are winning by attrition.  

 

The evil of abortion is slowly being exposed and as more crimes become visible to the public, the abortion movment loses supporters.  It's no small thing that now the majority of people are no longer in favor of abortion on demand.

And besides this even in politics we see the legal evidence is mounting of the recognition that the rights of the Constitution apply to the unborn child.

This legal evidence is based on scientific evidence that the unborn child is indeed a person...a living human person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay...since you brought it up, I  will gladly speak of the fundamental  reason why we are winning the fight to end abortion in terms of theology.

I can't say it better than Fr. Pavone of Priests For Life. 

Above all else, we know we are winning the fight to end abortion becasue we have already won! Death doesn't have the final word in the human story.

There is One among us Who holds the keys of death and Hell. Jesus Christ thought to be overwhelmed by the agents of death, trampled death by His Death and Resurrection from the dead.As a result death has been robbed of its power. Becasue of Christ's death and resurrection death no longer has the final word in the human story.

This means that the power of abortion which takes more human life than anything else has also been broken. The pro-life movement does not simply work for victory....we work from victory. Victory is our starting point.We joyfully proclaim to the world that Christ is risen and that for this reason we must choose life. We then work to apply that victory to every sector of society.

The labor is intense and the obstacles are many. But we do not cower before the culture of death and wonder how we will ever overcome it. Rather we stand before it with victorious confidence and declare:

"Begone. You have no room here. No place here. No further authority to menace the human family. Your kingdom has been conquered and Christ reigns supreme."

 

 

 

 

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As I have already said, there are many people with different belief systems who understand the act of abortion for what it is. There is no competition going on; they walk side by side and defend innocent human life in the womb.

 

Understand where I have to come from here!  This is how I interpret this quoted post. The sole is all that is really important and the life itself is insubstantial in the bigger scheme of things. Here we are talking about the inhumanity of infanticide, and your guy is telling you that you have already won, go figure. Whenever I reference ‘The Human Story’, all reference point to the factual evolution of humanity and are about the actual humans in this tragic story. Things like this

Robert Gilman - The Human Story - Our bodies contain ancient hydrogen formed in the first moments of the universe. Our carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and all the other heavy elements in our bodies, are the gift of supernova stars. Our cells have been perfected by the patient workings of countless bacteria through billions of years, and our organs are the gift of thousands of species that evolved during the past billion years. Our bodies are, in a sense, simply a regrouping of very ancient materials …Etc.

Now come on here – “This means that the power of abortion which takes more human life than anything else has also been broken.” Your munchkins of old have probably killed more people spreading the word of God to others at the point of a sword. I do not see the “intense labor” anywhere (of course I am not looking, humm) and I do not think things like "Be gone. You have no room here. No place here. No further authority to menace the human family …” is not going to help the cause and it even implies that there was previous authority.

In all honesty, I do not understand why we continue to cross theology with humanity over and over again … especially when we are purported to be on the same side.