How so?

Yes, it does.The entire verse reads, "What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?"

I checked the King James version and it has verse 14 as "What doth it profit, my brethren though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"

Which translation do you find the word "such" added before the word "faith" and how does that altar the meaning of the question?

It's the only one we have.

Here we are yet again...back to James. 

what you are TOTALLY disregarding Lula is that James is talking about a "said" faith.  You're totally skipping that.  He's not speaking of genuine faith here, but one who claims to have faith. 

He says:  "What shall it profit my bretheren, if a man SAYS he has faith, but has not works?" 

This has nothing to do with salvation is by works.  He's pointing out that your faith can't just be a said faith.  It has to be backed up with works.  Remember Christ when he said "many say to me in that day Lord Lord"  but yet he doesn't know them?  Jesus was talking about the same thing as James.  Many have a said faith but their works (or lack thereof) are evidence against them. 

That's it.  Nothing to do with salvation is of works.  It goes back to what I keep telling you (on deaf ears) that our works are EVIDENCE of our faith.   That's why this verse doesn't match up with those I've been giving you when you look at it the way you are seeing them.  It seems to contradict.   It has to the way you're looking at them.  You are looking at James thru RCC colored glasses. 

oh and btw the NIV does say "such a faith." 

no, it's not. 

no, Salvation starts today with each believer coming into the faith.  "Now is the day of salvation."  2 Cor 6:2

How many times have you quoted to me to "work out my salvation?"  How can I do that if it's not here and now?  You may want to get a concordance and look up the word Salvation.  It starts now.  Jesus is our salvation.  If you've got Jesus, you've got salvation.  Here's a few just because I like you so much: 

"Salvation of God is sent to Gentiles"  Acts 28:28

"Salvation is come to this house."  Luke 19:9

"God has chosen you to salvation."  2 Thess 2:13

"Mine eyes have seen your salvation"  Luke 2:30

No, it doesn't say that.  You're making it say that.  It's quite clear.  WE ARE NOT SAVED BY WORKS. It's as clear and bright as the sun.  The RCC is telling you that you have to work your way into heaven so you're buying it hook, line and sinker.  The scripture is quite clear "NOT BY WORKS THAT YOU HAVE DONE."  How much clearer can you get? 

You have yet to show anyone here where it says we are saved by works.  James is not saying that.  He's showing the relationship between faith and works.  Yes.  But he's not saying we are saved by works.  If he did, he contradicts all of scripture. 

Please show me, in what I underlined above from your statement. how that is true.  How can you conclude from Eph 2:8-10 that both faith and works are NECESSARY for salvation? 

Yes, exactly.  Which came first? 

Notice the order. 

Can you see through God's eyes?

not everything, but only what he has revealed to us. 

He's revealed different things to different people. More and more things are being revealed. That's what science does. It solves the mystery of the myth.

God's revealed word is his revelation to mankind. I agree that he reveals diff things to diff people and more and more things are being revealed (so we agree on something)  but yet he doesn't contradict himself by saying one thing to one person and totally different to somebody else.  

 Every generation receives a bit more light as we get closer and closer to the end.  So if you're just relying on Science, as your god,your endall, be careful.  It's like drinking from a broken waterpot sitting in your backyard collecting rainwater instead of drinking from a spring of fresh living water. 

Science can't and will never be able to disprove God.   Neither does God's revealed word attempt to disprove Science.  Both work quite well together. 

It's when we get into "opinions" instead of fact that we run into trouble. 

I'm not sure "disprove" is the goal. Eventually, we can do everything he can do. We can now create life. (Cloning) Or was that your point?

Protestants have devised many and varied explanations to try to neutralize the clear and unambiguoous statement in St.James 2:24, that "man is justified by works and not by faith alone." This passage is a thorn in the side of those who obstinately adhere to Luther's idea of "justification by faith alone".

We've heard it parsed as "said" faith, "such" faith, "saving faith". St.James is not so much attempting to qualify the faith needed for justification as he is saying one must consciously add good works to faith in order to be justified. A person, to be justified must persevere to his last breath in this conscious decision to add good works to faith.

Verses 2-15....St.James is maintaining that if one is to be saved, having faith alone in God is not enough. Faith puts one on the road to salvation. But one must also consciously to join good works with faith which means he's willing to do all that God requires for righteousness. It's that simple.

It's easy to have faith in God's existence and to believe that He may want us to do a few things to acknowledge Him, but doing good works of love for Him for His sake and for others is difficult. That's why St.James adds the truth that even the demons believe.

Could be or could not be. The distinction between the Protestant concept of works that inevitably evidence of faith and the concept St.James is teaching in which a person must make a conscious decision to help another in need (good works in the commandment of love (charity), is important to stress.

It's not a mechanical process as if once a button of faith is pushed good works will begin. The fact is as the individual confronts the decsion to sin or not to sin each day of his life, so too he also confronts the decision to be obedient and do good works and the two are interrelated. Merely having saving faith doesn't necessarily mean one will refrain from sin or one will automatically decide to do good works.

KFC WRITES: 

Can you at least begin to see that St. James whom you know is the inspired Word of God soundly refutes your statement?

Count me in agreement as well.

I can't think of a time or instance when God has done this.

no.  I'm not saying works themselves are chaotic and confusing.  I'm saying that if you believe we're saved by them it does get confusing.  Meaning...how many works?  What effort level?  What is considered good enough?  How many times do we have to do them?  How do we know we've done enough?  Have I done more good deeds than bad ones?  Are my works better than Lula's? 

See what I mean? 

James is making the distinction between a "professing" faith and a "possessing" faith.  We're either "professors" or "possessors."  Our works is what justifies us before men. Our faith justifies us before God.   Our works are the only outside evidence others can see.  They can't see the heart.   

James used two examples if you notice...Abraham and Rahab.  Both proved their faith by their works.  They weren't saved by their works.  They were proved by them.  Big diff.