Did you hear about this one? This doesn't help quell the rumors that Obama is acting like the AC. Recently he told the Turks that America is not a Christian Nation. So is he trying to prove it? This was on Fox News this morning.
This is a very suspicious way for a Christian to act.
Maybe he needs to read the part of the scriptures about "not hiding your light under a bushel."
He never said he was not a Christian, he said that we're not a Christian nation. To me that sounds like a Christian who knows his facts. We're not a Christian nation, we're a multi-cultural, multi-religion/non-religion nation.
To go thru all this trouble for what? Did the people of this country ask our President to be so neutral? Obama was to bring change to this nation, but did that mean to take away everything that made this country? It does not matter how many signs they cover, it does not matter what angle the camera is point, no matter how neatral Obama tries to be, we all know he is Christian and that he will do what his faith dictates otherwise he could not be Christian. Therefor all this BS about trying to be neutral is pointless and useless. In the end Obama is either not Christian, or he his actions are dictated by his faith, which in the end means that the people affected by his actions are also being affected by a religion they may not believe in.
He can keep his change. I don't want it.
That's what I'm saying. This sounds not like how a Christian is to act. I'm not sure what Obama is (he appears confused himself) or where his faith is leading him. It's not Christian I can tell you that. There's not one thing he has said or acted upon that shows he is a Christian. Anyone can call themselves a Christian. It's another matter to show evidence of it. There's not a court of Christian law that could convict Obama as a Christian.
which facts? The facts this nation was grounded on or the new and improved facts we are now operating on?
Christian? What are you basing that on? What makes him a Christian? He doesn't attend church. He doesn't know his bible. He supports abortion (killing of life) among other non-Christian beliefs. Every chance he gets he disowns Christians or their beliefs. He's alot like Oprah.
Did you know what he said in France? Did you hear him diss his own country? He said this:
"In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive."
Can you imagine? This is OUR PRESIDENT? Did you hear him denigrating the U.S? Why didn't he focus on something positive instead of insulting all Americans. He made us appear weak and small in the yes of the world when he said that.
Aren't you insulted? I am!
I'm on record here and elsewhere as saying repeatedly BEFORE the election (warning) that Obama is running for world leader, not President of the US of A.
His actions lately have been bearing this out.
What's wrong with admitting faults? I sure as heck thing it's a good thing. Honestly, I would rather have a leader who says it like it is, than someone who denies we ever are at fault. Sorry, but that's part of how i view responsibility, etc.
It's one thing to admit fault, it's another to go out there telling other people how stupid you are. I admit to my mistakes, but I don't tell people who stupid I am for making mistakes. Obama was not voted in to apologize to the world for us.
Hmm, I don't really view it as saying we're stupid. Though at times we can be, lol. Obama was voted in to set us back on track, and internationally, we need to definitely get back on track. With the comment:
For the most part, when do we really acknowledge Europe's role? Remember back in '03 when it was pretty much screw Europe and what not? We've become way too arrogant as our power has grown. The evidence is in how some countries treat us (with a few exceptions) and with comments I've seen made by foreigners.
Still, I agree, Obama could have worded things better.
Speaking of, since I believe the topic of faults and such was mentioned in this threa. Since you want people to admit faults of Obama, instead of propping him up. Then lets make a deal: I'll make my criticism of Obama as well as Democrats, more vocal, if you'll start giving the occasional praise toward him and Democrats (as well as criticizign Republicans).
Deal?
~Alderic
I remember it a bit differently... in 02 Iraq was in violation of a few UN (that means United Nations) resolutions. Europe pretty much said screw the resolutions, it will hurt our trade with Iraq, and what is more important? Money or integrity? In 03, nine months later, the US decided to hold up the shameful UN's worthless resolutions, along with a few other honorable countries that believed they should do what they promised to do. Those of us that followed the in and outs during the time because our @sses would be going, know this. Most others memories on the issue start March 22, 2003 (with exception of MD, which helped gain public support, but was not need to uphold the resolutions).
I bet any Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist or other non-Christian Americans would be glad to know their president doesn't think the US is a christian nation.
Cacto, I'm not a very religious person, but I think he (Obama) could have said his piece in a better way. First, he shouldn't have use any religion by name, not stating who we aren't, but who we are. Perhaps something like, "We are a nation of many faiths and beliefs". Nobody singled out, nobody left out, no feelings hurt. He did claim to be a uniter, not a divider after all.
But equally, no effect at all. Saying the US isn't exclusively Christian conflicts with a common misconception outside the US. It likely gave his speech a bit of extra weight in Turkey.
It's also a fact that many Christians back in the US forget and should remember, so it seems to have the potential to achieve two aims for the price of one.
Not bad if it works, and if it doesn't it really only annoys the deluded.
sure. I've never had trouble giving praise where praise is due. But with Obama, I'm not seeing too much these days to praise. Personally, he seems like a nice guy, and a nice husband and father. That's about it for me.
The Dems? Are you kidding me? Even the Dems I know aren't very happy these days. They don't even like Obama and the few I know are kicking themselves for voting for him.
exactly right.........good comment.
if the usa was a monarchy, a variety of other -archies, a dictatorship or a theocracy, its president's actions and decisions might well be dictated by his faith and those who believed otherwise would certainly be affected by his religion. since it's not any of those, but a secular nation composed of persons of all faiths as well as no faith, our president--whomever he may be--is obliged to act in comformance with the constitution and operate as both head of the executive branch and commander-in-chief of the military forces. the executive branch is primarily charged with enforcing the nation's laws.
anyone who has a problem acting in accordance with the law rather than dictates of his personal spiritual belief or affiliation shouldn't aspire to that office.
believe in what you know rather than what you hear applies particularly well to the case of those who continually assert america was founder by christians on the basis of judeo-christian (whatever the hell that's supposed to be) principals. our system of law is based on roman law and those most responsible for instituting our constitutional government were, at most, nominally christian and included one former president who issued a proclamation officially stating the us was not a christian nation.
hmmmmm Kingbee and I was thinking just the opposite. I've got volumes and volumes of our Founding Father's writings to back up the fact they indeed had in their minds that this nation was to be a Christian nation. Did you know that George Washington left behind 97 volumes and Jefferson 60 alone?
In fact, in every single town in the New World churches were the first buildings to go up. Our educational institutions like Harvard, Princeton and Yale were for the education of our ministers. In every school bibles were read and the first reading primers (seen one) were all based on the bible. The only book on the shelf in most homes was a bible.
Back then even up to the 1800's there was so much Christian writing in the lawbooks that some that were not of the Christian persuasion came to Christ. Charles Finney was one. He studied the lawbooks and read so much about Christ and the scriptures in these books that he came to Christ because of his studies. He is the person we hold accountable for the altar call today in many churches.
James Wilson was made Justice of the Supreme Court and founded the first law school in America. He wrote the first textbook on law and said this as a sitting S.C. Justice:
"Human law must rest its authority ultimately on that law which is divine."
Oh....and he was considered an expert on the Constitution.
who? Besides Obama.