Did you hear about this one?  This doesn't help quell the rumors that Obama is acting like the AC.    Recently he told the Turks that America is not a Christian Nation.  So is he trying to prove it?   This was on Fox News this morning. 

 

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on Apr 24, 2009

Poor grammar aside, I agree with you hear, they certainly were.

on Apr 25, 2009

I've made no mention of this often misinterpreted sentence at all so have no idea why you would bring it up here. He was obviously rererring to the influence of official goverment religion, and not the reverse as has been espoused over the past several deacdes. On this point we agree.

well that's good.  I'm not saying you did make mention.  I just brought it up for reinforcement I guess. 

I know (as do many) why so many zealots try to discredit Jefferson's contributons to our contitution, and because of the same lines in a letter that appear nowhere in the actual document. Get over it, it didn't mean what so many claim it to mean, so desn't have the force of law, and has been somehow incorporated into modern interpretation (even in the Supreme Court) where it wasn't intended. Both sides of the issue are dead wrong.

there you go with the whole zealot thing again.  I noticed you didn't answer my questions (or is that smugness to bring it up again?) as to your definition of zealot and why you think I would be one. 

Well I don't agree both sides are dead wrong.  I believe that many don't even know that "separation of church and state" is NOT even in the Constitution.  Heck, most don't even know that Jefferson was NOT a participant in the signing and writing of it.  That's why I'm saying what I'm saying because we need to let people know what the truth is....not some revisionist historical rumors that fly all over the place.  I've been up against this whole "separation of church and state" many times.  It's been used as a "force of law" way too many times when it never should have been. 

Claiming that Jefferson had NOTHING to do with the writing of our constitution is simply dishonst and downright wrong.

now you keep saying this but yet....once again.....bring nothing to the table Mason. Show me something!!  Not somebody's opinion which is all I've gotten so far.    He had NOTHING to do with the writing or signing of the Constitution.  Think about it.  He was in France.  No email.  No papers. No Post Office.  No pony express. Everything went by ship.......how many months?  How long did it take to write the Constitution?  Yes, Madison kept him informed as best he could....via ship. 

But yet.....separation of church and state (a phrase of Jefferson's) seems to take center stage these days when we talk about the Constitution.  Daily I'm hearing reports of some kids who can't have a bible club after school because of "separation of church and state" when in fact, the bible was read in every classroom for years and years and years.....all the way up to my own grandmother and mother.  Or a cross has to be taken down somewhere that had been there for decades because one atheist complained.  Happens all the time.....under "separation of church and state." 

This nation was not founded as a theocracy

And by now you should know that I've said this as well.....many times.  Again.....I've never claimed anything different. 

That was an intentional act of the founders and is spelled out in the constitution. Personally, I thank G-D it isn't a theocracy.

I agree.  Man would ruin it for sure!   Surprised? 

I have no idea why the above quotes, responses aren't formatted correctely.

it happens only to the best of us....

 

on Apr 25, 2009

Texas Wahine

Poor grammar aside, I agree with you hear, they certainly were.

Thanks, I was worried nobody would catch that bit of humor. Glad somebody did.

on Apr 25, 2009

nice to see ya ms wahine..been a long, long time.

on Apr 25, 2009

Hiya KB!  I've missed you!  Did you know I have 4 spawn now? 

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