Published on March 13, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Blogging

Hello Gid,

Since you do not offer me a chance to comment on your blog, I thought I would here.  I figured I had two choices.  One, to ignore what you said and the other to speak out on it.

I chose the latter.....obviously.

You said you expect, as a result of what you wrote, to see a flame blog from me?  Based on what?  When have I ever flamed anyone?  My articles are here for all to see and I've not once resorted to flame throwing.  Not once.   I have no use for such immaturity. 

I'm not here to flame you.

You say in your letter "Stopping By" that you have admitted yourself as being dysfunctional.  Well who isn't?  We all come from some sort of dysfunction.  There are no perfect families on the planet that I'm aware of.  I came from a dystunctional family as well.  But I don't wallow in it.  I choose to go on.  While you can't help what happened to you, you do have a choice to make sure it doesn't happen to your own family.  Sorry to say, you'd rather wallow in dysfuntion, then walk away from it.   Change begins with you Gid.   

You were very quick to attack the dysfunctional church. You gave much time to this subject.  From what I could see, they only wanted to help your family even if that meant calling in outside help.  You said no, they were not helping you, and since I wasn't there, what else could I say?   You say, I didn't see things?   You say I didn't notice you needed help? 

To the full extent you're right.  I didn't see the severity until afterwards.  Chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight.  But there were many, many red flags you waved and when I'd comment on them, you'd get very angry with me.  You didn't like me to go there remember?  Whenever I'd question you, you'd get angry.  Usually this centered around the church helping you or "not" helping you.   Whenever anyone would dare question you on CPS or the church you got very defensive.  So obviously you didn't want any advice nor were you looking for help.  You only wished for us to validate your feelings against all the "bad" people who were after you. 

As far as your depression goes that you mentioned in your earlier blogs....I know nothing about that.  I never go back and read old blogs.  I have only enough time to read the current blogs.  If you were in church, like I kept advising you to do, this would have been replaced....I'm sure of it.   Remember Elijah?  Even he got depressed.  He pulled himself away and felt sorry for himself.  He had to be reminded, it's not all about HIM. 

You accuse many of us beliving the rumor in the article that LW wrote.   It was easy to do.  First you disappeared and I was wondering where you were.  I actually posted somewhere that I was wondering where you went to and Tova gave me a link to LW's blog that answered my question.   Along with your disappearance and the pictures came TW's firsthand comments.  Why wouldn't we believe?   You came on and pretty much admitted it yourself.  Again, why wouldn't we believe?  If I remember right, I made one or two comments on LW's blog and it had no "bashing" qualities to it.   It was basically one of shock and 20/20 hindsight. 

After you came on to explain yourself, I sent you a personal message telling you that I was praying for you and your family which I will continue to do.   I'm not sure what else to do Gid. I considered you a friend.  One cannot help another unless they first want the help.  Remember even Jesus asked the lame man..."do you wish to be well?" 

As far as I was concerned, that was the last of it for me.  I would never, ever, kick anyone when they're down. 

I'm sorry Gid that you've had a bad time of it.   But you have only yourself to blame.  Only you can change this around.  Sometimes it's not all that bad to reach rock bottom.  Because it forces you to look up.  It's all you've got. 

Don't blame us for your shortcomings.  We all tried to help you.  You refused to be helped. 


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on Mar 19, 2008
I've read every comment, but haven't had anything to say until now.

In response to Gid's explanation of the conditions of his home:

Perhaps you are telling the truth, that things were bad already, but...two wrongs don't make a right.

Maybe that should go for everyone. Yes, terrible decisions were made, but there's a difference between sincere concern for the welfare of his children and a flame.

I'm not saying I disagree with what's been said, the pictures made me physically ill, but maybe we're going about this in the wrong way.
on Mar 24, 2008
KFC,

My email addy is miner432004 at yahoo dot com

LW,

I really don't care what you think anymore. One of the reasons I haven't spent a lot of time presenting my defense is none of you will believe it if I post it, so it's just flat out useless.

I will say this: You and the other people who have judged me on this site don't know jack.

Oh, and just for the record, someone who IS in the know back in Lefors had a lot to say about the way "Candie's" mom kept house. Should I go pulling the skeletons out of HER closet as well?

Don't worry, I won't. But on some of these issues, there's a MAJOR case of the pot calling the kettle black here.
on Mar 25, 2008
Ok, I have to respond to this.

Gid, I have not been harping on you. You know that. However, it's pretty low to try to blame other people for your own problems.

It's not a "skeleton" that my mom was a lax housekeeper. When I was growing up I was often embarrassed to have company because things were in such disarray. I have discussed this at length with my mom many times.

Our house NEVER looked the way it does in those pictures. Sorry.

I grew up in a fairly dysfunctional home, and you can trash my family all you want but it's not going to change anything.

Before you moved in, you should have a) said "no thanks, this house is not in a condition that I want to move my family into", or cleaned the hell out of it.

We just bought a house. It's a VA repo. The previous owners were not kind to it. We spent the first week cleaning cat hair and cat piss and cat feces from surfaces that a cat should not have conceivably been able to get to. We are STILL cleaning. We will be replacing carpet in the entire house. We have a light fixture to install (light fixture in the master bedroom was completely ripped out). We have to do touch up paint. The security system has been ripped out so we will be replacing that. The list goes on.

But it's our home and our investment and it's important that our home be sanitary and functional and comfortable.

You decided you wanted to live in the house despite whatever flaws might have been there (and it is definitely a humble home and could use some TLC, but you knew that) and my Pa gave you the option to rent to own. You accepted that offer. You accepted the offer of no rent for a few months in exchange for some work on the house. You accepted a ridiculously low payment for a home for your family. You didn't have to worry with securing a loan or dealing with your credit score. You were given the option to buy in good faith.

You were BUYING this house. Look back at your old articles, and you will find yourself talking about being a home owner and plans and dreams for your family's home.

When you buy a home, you are RESPONSIBLE for it. And for most people you can't just up and leave when you don't want to live there any more or make payments anymore. Not only that, but instead of improving the home while you lived in it, you left it in extreme disrepair.

I don't get why you think it explains or excuses things to say, "Well, the house was dirty already, so don't blame me for the rotting floor in the bathroom or the grease splatter near the stove."

Even IF you were only renting (and you weren't), you still had a responsibility to your family to keep the home in a livable condition (not just you, your wife had this responsibility too). Why would you just overlook something for FOUR YEARS and then when outsiders comment on it, say, "It was like that before I moved in!!"

Pretty low, Gid.


on Mar 25, 2008
Who knows, maybe she also ripped off old people who tried to help her, blogged obsessively while rats nested in the walls, garbage rotted in the 'storage' room, and her babies went unbathed for days on end, and stuffed her face with pizzas and cheeseburgers while bragging about feeding the rest of her family on twenty-nine cents a week.
Maybe she even let the little ones shit down their legs right onto the carpet before she'd be bothered to wash a load of diapers, hmm? The pennies she saved on soap were what kept her kids in beans all those years after all, so that makes your actions perfectly justifiable.
Rot in hell, you child abuser. Rot in burning hell.


You're continuing to spread lies as fact, LW!

Even IF you were only renting (and you weren't), you still had a responsibility to your family to keep the home in a livable condition (not just you, your wife had this responsibility too). Why would you just overlook something for FOUR YEARS and then when outsiders comment on it, say, "It was like that before I moved in!!"


I did not say it was like that when we moved in. I said SOME of those things were still there.

As I have maintained for some time, I will take responsibility for what is actually right about the accusations; I won't take responsibility for the lies and untruths.

Take LW's comments about the alleged feces encrusted diapers, which she passes off as fact. Could your mom not have commented on the state of the home without passing on rumors that have been REPEATEDLY disproven legally?

Take her comments about me living high on the hog as my kids starved. Again untrue, TW. Again disproven. Yet it was chosen by your mom to pass that on as fact as well.

Or how about the rumour that I imprisoned my wife? Again, untrue, for a third time, and again, disproven. Still passed on as fact.

I find it pretty telling that your mother, among other people, chose to repeatedly punch below the belt, and you accuse ME of being pretty low.

Yes, it is true that the house was in abyssmal shape and that we bear the blame for that. It is NOT true, has NEVER been true, that I starved my children, kept them in poopy diapers, or abused them or Amy in any way. Yet that accusation has been repeatedly bandied about.
on Mar 25, 2008
Those things may be rumors, Gid. I have no way of knowing for sure. You say that except for the state of the house, things in your home were safe and healthy. I am the type of person who wants to believe that. I have heard information from sources I'd be inclined to believe otherwise, but I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt.

All the really disturbing things I've heard about how your home was run are moot now in my opinion, true or not, so long as things ARE happy, safe, and healthy now. And I sincerely hope they are. No one is perfect, but I hope that your new home has a sparkling bathtub and plenty of safe play space for your children and a clean stove free of rodent droppings.

What I care about is not your pride, but the well-being of your children. They deserve the best you can give them, and foremost is a clean, fun environment to play and learn and grow in.

I have no idea about "below the belt punches" from my mom. As far as I know (and she's actually visiting me right now so she can sew curtains and throw pillows for me), she hasn't had any sort of contact with you or bothered you in any way beyond sharing the initial photos and information shared by your neighbors and friends (she was upset and WORRIED, Gid) way back in January. Any problem you have with her will have to be dealt with her directly.

I appreciate that you're taking responsibility and I understand that it must suck to have to defend yourself at every turn. The thing is, credibility and trust has been lost. Only you can repair that, and it's not an overnight fix.

I haven't spoken with LW in a while but I can promise you that she is acting out of genuine concern. This is her way of helping your children and I won't dare interfere with that. If you feel like it's a problem, as I said in one of my messages, you will have to deal with her directly.

I can only speak for myself. I have hope for your family Gid, and I wish your family the best. I'm not interested in making life hard for you. I just want desperately for your children to have the home experience that they deserve as precious, innocent little children.
on Mar 26, 2008

My, this has gotten so out of hand.

Nobody needs to interact with each other on this site unless they want to.  The admins on JU are not here to make judgment calls on people's personal lives.  However, we are here to make sure that people remain civil and do not impede on the blogging rights of others.

If you guys want to battle this out, please do so in private.

on Mar 26, 2008
My, this has gotten so out of hand.


Sad, but true.

I was listening to Laura Ingraham's radio program this morning and she was interviewing Geraldine Ferrara about her recent statements on Obama/his pastor and racism. they were talking about how Ferrara's own, meaning the Democrats, are raking her over the coals for saying that Obama was getting the Black vote becasue he's Black. I guess in liberal land this is a no, no...

Ferrara said something to Laura that made me think of this blog....

"Liberals stop at nothing to punish!"



on Mar 26, 2008
"Liberals stop at nothing to punish!"


WTF?!?!?!?

WTF does liberal/conservative have to do with any of this caca doodie? Last I checked, Little-whip, KFC, Tova, Charles, and MOST of the people on this thread are conservatives.

Nice pointless swipe at your opposition, though. Too bad it has cock-all to do with anything here.
on Mar 26, 2008
Ya, Lula, not getting you at all here. I agree with SC.

I'm scratching my head over your last posting. It was a doozy.
on Mar 26, 2008
Sorry Folks,
I can see that I didn't make my point clear...it has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative.

Karmagirl said this has gotten so out of hand.

I said I agree.

But what has gotten out of hand?


This made me think of Ferrara's statement which I quoted describing the context in which it was given...


I took Ferrara's statement, "Liberals stop at nothing to punish" and applied that to this seemingly endless thread, this "punishment" of Gid.

I should have said, Some people stop at nothing to punish...and I think that's applies to some on this thread.




on Mar 26, 2008
I'm scratching my head over your last posting. It was a doozy.


It's almost as if you were just looking for a post to deposit those droppings on, Lula, and decided rather than look for some thread where it would have made sense in context, you just 'dropped' it here.





At least I'm a)well-known for my non-sequiturs and b)they have, nine times out of ten, yummy graphical representation.
on Mar 26, 2008

or KFC (whose hypocrisy in lifting my blacklist status in order to let me rant here has not gone unnoted, just uncommented on, she already knows I think she's a raging hypocrite of the worst sort) or even my continued disappointment with the latest format changes.

ok, now what's that supposed to mean LW?  Another kick in the stomach from you?  What did I do to deserve this?  Lifting you off my BL?  I'm a hypocrite cuz I extended Grace to you....once again?  Everytime I do, it certainly doesn't go unnoticed.   That's for sure. 

Why not ask me first before you go on the attack?  Ask me WHY I took you off the BL.  But then again, you're really not interested in truth are you?

 

 

on Mar 26, 2008

Here's the thing. He wanted everyone to leave him alone to blog. I think everyone did and that was the problem. The thread got revived by Gid. Please don't say it was to give you his e-mail address because there is a shiny new feature here, that I know a "tech" guy could figure out. It's called the private message.

KFC: If your conscience tells you to help him, do it. But this thread has been brought back to life time and time again and it does fester with people who can't stomach it. You do have the power to do one thing. Delete this whole article and thread. Help Gid if you want but it's time to take the trash out.

on Mar 26, 2008
Delete this whole article and thread. Help Gid if you want but it's time to take the trash out.


I second this motion.

on Mar 26, 2008

KFC: If your conscience tells you to help him, do it. But this thread has been brought back to life time and time again and it does fester with people who can't stomach it. You do have the power to do one thing. Delete this whole article and thread. Help Gid if you want but it's time to take the trash out.
I already know why, KFC.

When I wrote this original blog I had no idea the life it would take.  I was frustrated because Gid put forth an article, mentioned me and I wanted to question him on it.  So that's why I wrote it....only really for him.  I had no idea how busy this place would be.

Now, having said that, if Gid wishes me too (he hasn't asked) I would consent to doing this but not sure what that would serve.  But I think that would be a domino effect.  I would ask that he delete what he wrote that started this blog and he may want LW to delete the original subject to begin with.  Where does it end with the lack of free speech?

 It's ok to say the hard things that need to be said. Getting things out is not necessarily a bad thing.  For the most part, I think most have been respctful here....even in their anger.......He has been free to comment .  Most of the stuff LW and some others have put forth is not new.  Alot of it, and much worse was said on LW's site....yet I don't see anyone telling her to delete her "Fish Story." 

Please don't say it was to give you his e-mail address because there is a shiny new feature here, that I know a "tech" guy could figure out. It's called the private message.

I'm not sure but Gid does want me to email him privately and I've been trying.  Gid if you're reading this I tried the yahoo account and it bounced back to  me as you not having a yahoo account.  I'll try later. 

then tell me LW.  Why did I take you off the BL?

 

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