I think this thread should stand and remain open for comments indefinately.  He asked for it.  He made this bed. 

It should come up on his blog homepage right at the top, prominently and permanently, unable to be deleted as a reminder to what he's done to himself and to Joeuser as a community. 

His avatar should be blacked out.  Or he should at least, for the comfort of the rest of us, change it. 

Sorry if that's harsh, but you know what...I held back.

C'mon KFC, you're kidding yourself if you think you can write a blog on very public JU and expect it to be "only for him". As someone has already pointed out....that's what the private message is for.

And besides, you posted the article on March 13, and after 4 days and 65 comments of throwing punishment at Gid, I called you on it saying:  

Knowing the cast of characters as you do and the way discontent and condemnation goes around and now, 38 comments later,  your chief concern is about someone's free speech or that  somehow you are being treated unfairly because LW wasn't asked to delete her article?  

I motioned to delete it becasue it's obvious it hasn't been "only really for him", it's providing space for public punishment...and condemnation.

 

 

   

and well deserved.

I'll repeat.  I answered a public forum article publicly.  

 

All I'm saying here is: Gid, When it comes to children, I do that (And yes people, i do it otherwise, but let's stay on topic.). I didn't wait and try and find out the why, and for that I am sorry. I wish you well, and truly hope everything works out for you, your wife, and your children. Especially the children, because they're the light of the world as far as I'm concerned.

Later, ~L

Lula: Why are you being a douche bag? You and KFC have been (mostly) peas in a pod and now you decide to publicly crucify her?!? Where is the "private message" you speak of? If you, as a good Catholic/Christian feel she is out of line, why not reprimand her privately?

Karma: I understand the stance you must take. I'm not out to get Gid or cause him problems. I also understand why other (valuable) JUs may feel disenfranchised by the official JU stance.

I'm a pretty middle of the road kind of person, all around. I don't expect Gid to work miracles...I just hope he has made some beneficial changes for his family. I am a bit shocked at how much more important "insightful content" is than honest discourse, but I'm not a $$$ionaire, so perhaps I don't know much.

I'm not trying to stoke a fire, and I have tried to keep my conversations with Gid private, but if there is public discussion of something that affects me personally, of course I am going to respond. If that's ban-worthy, so be it. I like JU and enjoy blogging here, but I'd give it up in a heartbeat if it depended on keeping silent about things I know to be true or people that I care about.

I know this much: my mom played a SMALL part in exposing Gid. She shared pics and info from friends and neighbors because it concerned her, I shared it with LW (whom I typically talk to regularly) and LW had the balls (unlike me) to make sure these things saw the light of day. I may not have been seen as the instigator, but I shared all the info and pics, and I am responsible for an "insightful contributor" being viewed as a pariah.

I will willfully take the blame.

I am the one that originally asked her to delete this thread and let me explain why. I am not very good at this, but I am going to give it a shot. This thread dies naturally, that's why at least I never asked LW to delete anything. He brought it back to get attention again not for e-mail. That is why I mentioned the private message.  That's my opionion. He wanted everyone to leave him alone and blog. We did, he didn't like it.

I asked you to delete it KFC, because I get sick in to my stomach when I see people like this trreat their family like this for a couple of reasons. It brings back memories of horrible childhood experiences and I would kill anyone who put my children in this predicament. Then other people who don't even blog here were getting involved. I thought that was not right or fair. I said the private message so he could give her the e-mail message. I can assure you I am far from being a douche bag.

Do you really think this is for honest debate?  I am not being sarcatstic, just curious.

He is not going to be fixed here. He needs help, serious help.

Thank you Tex. Perfect.

She is not doing it privately because now we can all see how perfect she is, how "above it all" and since KFC pretty much kills her Catholic crap on every thread ...every. single. time.

This is payback.

So you're taking Lula's answer as the answer to my question?  I lifted you off my BL so you could flame Gid?  Since when don't you have your own personal thoughts on a matter? 

Hardly.

You really don't get it do you LW? 

Look at the date of this blog?  Ring any bells? 

Remember when there was a Happy Birthday Blog for you?  Remember also (not sure if it was that exact blog or another on that day) that you and I were on a blog and I said "I'm happy I got my delete button back? I think it was to Brad.   Then I finished with HAPPY BIRTHDAY LW? It was a hint. 

It was all on this same day.  I had no idea you'd figure out that I unlisted you quite so fast tho.  You figured it out quite quickly and responded to this blog.

So as a recap LW....it was Grace I extended you on your birthday as well as having a delete button as backup.

That's the truth.  Not what you're choosing to believe from what Lula wrote. 

Next time feel free to ask.   It's always better to go to the source. 

 

 

Thanks Kelly for you honest opinion.  I'm sorry if I caused you any grief in reliving anything by posting this blog.  That, I'm sure you know, wasn't my intention.  I think Tova also had some very strong feelings about all this.  

There are two ways to look at this.  One is to get it out into the light of day to be cleaned out and dealt with. This stuff happens all over the place.

 The other way is to conceal it and hope it just disappears.  Hiding things in the dark only makes it fester and grow in a nasty sort of way.  It never goes away like that. It needs eventually to be cleaned out.   We need to air things out in the bright light and let the sun bleach it clean.  Remember light exposes and darkness protects and hides.  In the short run, yes it may be easier to not speak of these things but in the long run it's always better to deal with it immediately.  Only then can full closure be accomplished. 

This is a really good point Tex.  Lula did email me last night to warn me she lit into me before I saw this. I don't understand why she didn't limit it to her email.  I responded I wasn't happy about it and questioned her about it.  Why?    Instead of going after the subject she lit into me.  I didn't understand why she did this myself.  I still don't get it.   I've been trying to help Gid, not hurt him or hinder him.   But things need to be said and dealt with. 

I feel we should be able to encourage each other even when that person let us down.  It may take time.  Some more than others.   But we certainly need to be able to discuss freely our disappointments and feelings in order to move to a better place. 

Grace is simply unmerited favor.  God gives us grace.  Yes, and only then it's called Divine Grace. 

I wasn't speaking of anything divine LW....so cool your jets.

When you get stopped by a cop for speeding and he lets you go with a warning....that's grace.  Unmerited favor.

That's all I'm saying. 

You can take it or leave it.  But let's not make a mountain out of a molehill. 

 

Wow, I have to say this is one hell of an article. It has brought out the worst in almost everyone.

KFC

I, personally, don't follow you articles too much. While I was raised a Catholic and I believe in God, I am not much of a religious person. One reason for that is that most religious people tend to pass themselves as being the good guys, the ones with the higher morals and therefor feeling they have the right to cast the first stone. They tend to act as if they are helping by bringing the problem out to light and then when all hell breaks lose their defense is that it was not their intention do let this happen or they didn't think this would happen when in reality it was the whole point as part of the solution to help the person. I, for 1, think it's a good idea even if it doesn't always work, I'm just more upfront about it.

I'm not here trying to insult or put you down, but when you said this:



I find it hard to believe you didn't see this coming. Maybe not as out of control, but considering how many here on JU are and I'm sure you know most here well enough, this was something even a blind man could see.

LW has the right to be upset and to express it on the site since she continues to be brought up on many of the replies. Not to mention that none of us can deny we enjoy the comments of people like LW who tend to be very strong opinionated, sincere and downright cut throat. There are times I can almost imagine LW typing with a sledgehammer. But thats who she is and people like reading her comments when she gets all fired up, like on this article. To be honest, it's people like her who attract me to websites like these. I like people who are not afraid to be honest about their thoughts, who dare to tell you the truth in your face even if it hurts and will face any consequences the words might bring.

What bothers me about all of this is that we as a people would rather just point out the problem and hope that it's enough to solve it when in reality all it does is make a bad situation worse by adding more anger to the mix from others who were not involved in the first place and are not gonna do anything more than argue about it. This article has really done nothing more than to turn a mud slinging fest into a digital version of a mud slinging fest and in the end no one, except Gid, really knows if these children are in better conditions because in reality that's all that really matters to many here, including me.

But I have to ask myself, how much do any of us really care about these children? We already know Gid is an irresponsible father who hasn't learned to keep his penis in his pants and continues to bring more children to suffer into this world, we already know he's married to a woman who seems just as irresponsible as he is considering if she was home all this time WTF was she doing that she was unable to clean anything? We've seen the pictures and to top it all off we have his own words admitting to his crimes (crimes cause I can't call them mistakes, when it comes to children there are no mistakes just idiotic choices) as evidence to back it all up, so why is nothing being done to take these children away from him? Or are we (including me) such hypocrites that we are good at pointing out peoples problems so long as there's an anonymous way of doing it or as long as we don't get our hands dirty doing it? Anyone wants to be angry? Maybe we should look at ourselves in the mirror and remember that with all the information we have, the fact that we know who this person is and that he continues to hang around here and not trying to hide from anyone, those children are probably still being abused and all we have done is sit in front of a PC and post comments between Gid's inexcusable actions and Hillary Clinton's knack for lying for no reason. Man will those children be thankful that their little lives were right up there with Obama's paster and Hillary's sniper experience.

I don't understand this whole having to apologize for bring peoples memories back. Everyone has probably had some kind of bad experience in their lives that they wish they could forget but to all of them I say get over it. I have had enough bad experiences in my life to make me wanna cry for the next century but I don't. Everything from a father who ignored me, a brother and sister who didn't care about me, the death of that brother that I never got to meet appropriately, my wife cheating on me several times, etc. If stories that remind you of past experiences bother you I suggest you steer clear of all human contact cause you are not special and not the only one who's been thru it and finding solutions to problems means having to revisit those bad moments to analyze them. Get over it, it's past, long gone, move on. You can always hit yourself in the head enough times to cause amnesia and forget it for good.

I'm glad you took some action, I figured if anyone you would but there lies my point. Legal actions keep people from taking action yet somehow it doesn't seem to bother them to come to a place like JU and bitch and moan about it (myself included). I guess so long as people are not willing to get a bit bruised in the process of saving a life, children will continue to be abused and we may as well surrender to all criminals because God forbid someone broke a nail in the process. I've said it several times before , once upon a time people were willing to lay down their lives for what they believed in, now a days people want someone else, not related to them in any way, to do the sacrificing for them. Here's to the Chinese people in sweat shops we care so much about but still continue to buy Chinese made products at cheaper prices.



It's this kind of stuff that makes me question the American value. How we claim to care but in reality we are nothing but a selfish nation who is not willing to make sacrifices for the better good. "I want my children to have a great future, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my life or that of a family member to do so, let someone else's child, preferably a foreign persons child, be sacrificed."



I hear ya but keep in mind that according to Brad, this site is here only because he wants it to be. While it is claimed to be for the people, he could care less if anyone was here. Makes no sense to me why anyone would create a website and give everyone access to it if you didn't care of anyone came to it but. Col is not banned as far as I know, have seen him around a few times. Probably got frustrated with the site and decided it was not worth the arguments he got from it, who nows.

Charles..KFC posted this because Gid named her specifically in his welcome back article and then black listed her. He essentially called her out in a public forum, not allowing her to respond publically.

So she posted this article. She did it on her own blog. And I for one am glad she did. While some may look at this as a place to bash Gid, others (me) look at it as a place to poke the puss out of the wound he caused here.

Gid can't be "reached" by email. I exchanged emails with him some time ago, and he spouted the same lies as he did on JU to me and for no reason (at that time no one knew he was a liar).

If you were going to confront a gambler...would you send him an email or go where you know he will be? Will you can make the most impact?

KFC can't be expected to read the future or what people's reactions will be. It's her blog and until Brad and company tell her otherwise, she is free to post what she likes.

Gid is the deceiver here. Not KFC. Pointing a finger at the messenger is diversion at its finest and I am sure makes Gid's day.