"I think what's really pissing you off is that you know there are many parents out there who realistically understand that despite their best efforts to the contrary, most (95%) of their offspring are going to have sex before achieving legal adulthood."

I guess I was in the minority on that one then. I don't think the government should be in the business of providing children, i.e. 11 and 12 year olds birth control methods which are not 100% effective, even if parents give consent. Duh!

"In the first place, oh reading-challenged one, the government is not ovveriding the parental decision-making process, the parents have to give explicit permission for their kids to avail themselves of these services."

Maybe this is news to you Whip, but in order to make babies, you have to have two people. If one has the consent and guidance from their parents, and the other does not, that still doesn't prevent a pregnancy in this scenario where two underage kids fuck.

If I don't want my 11 year old having sex with the 14 year old on birth control, because its,

A. Unethical to any offspring that could be generated.
B. Illegal
C. A very poor and stupid way to ruin a childs' life.
D. Immoral
E. Hazardous to their health

My government shouldn't be invited by a school board to make it easier for the other students of a middle school to have sex with my minor child. Perhaps you'd be in favor of issuing birth control to the parents of a child in grade school or kindergarden? At what age does consent become too young? Five? No no, four?

You are not an unintelligent person Whip but sometimes your need to be right and get back at someone online really flaws your point to the level of well, about as ridiculously as an 11 year old needing to get birth control to prevent pregnancy.

No, no, no, no, no, the legal age of majority 16, 18, or 21, the reason these ages work is because at these ages young adults can see a few years beyond high school relationships and into college, and know what they risk if they choose to play the game of irresponsibility and get stuck with a kid. With the length of time a woman can get pregnant, i.e. into her 40's or 50's, there is no reason she should start attempting to become as soon as it is possible.

You know damn well, that allowing tweens and young teenagers access to birth control is a bad idea, in any event. But anything to slam someone who sticks to their moral principals on a subject, in which it really applies. I find your point lacking merit or substance, your criticism of my own response, lacking any foresight on what actually happens in reality when children get into this kind of trouble, and typical of you Whip, on the war path crusading against the people you dislike.

Again the point to be made is that just because you give your kid permission to screw before it's legal, ehtical, and moral, doesn't mean I have the same grand plan in mind for mine, or that I want your child trying to introduce your fault way of thinking into mine?

Are you with me here KFC?

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DANGREENE POSTS:

The relevance is that we can learn from them. For example, I read that they have found a high level of contraceptives in the water that is causing a depletion of fish.

The social issues of underage contraception availability and utilization of human intervened birth control in the wild. I'm still not seeing the connection or application.

The DNR regulates fishing too, for population control. Big deal, Underage conception control has nothing to do with that and neighter does the elephant population of south africa and the school district in maine.

"The relevance is that we can learn from them. For example, I read that they have found a high level of contraceptives in the water that is causing a depletion of fish."

So what?

LW, the over-riding principle behind this is that our policies and laws are supposed to be for the common good of all, not just a few.

Bottom line: The middle school has over-stepped their bounds in doling out prescription birth control drugs to 11, 12 and 13 year old girls. Schools are supposed to be learning centers not human resource centers. Our schools should educate the intellect, not stimulate the flesh.

The application is, whether for animals, fish or little girls, birth control drugs misused cause society problems...big problems.

I am with you and then some Dan. Thank you. You nailed it.

And they didn't have to be LW. If you went thru the pregnancy and either kept these children or even gave them up, you'd be able to have children today.

When I said earlier I was in the minority when I said there are worse things than pregnancy, what happened to you was one example.

If you had been held accountable with your first pregnancy and gone thru with it, it would have curtailed your sex life at least for a while...maybe even to the point of not getting pregnant the second time.

What others are saying (including you) is if you put them on BC they will be better off...no abortion, and possibly no infertility problems down the road. But we don't know how these pills will affect the kids down the road. I know some gals that CAN'T get pregnant now after being on BC pills for years. It's suspect that BC pills may have had something to do with their infertility now.

Also, these BC pills can give these girls a false sense of security not thinking there are other things that can happen to them and going from partner to partner can be much more damaging down the road both, emotionally as well as physically, than a single pregnancy would.

I think the whole BC fiasco for Middle Schoolers is a lose-lose situation.

Not to mention that they are beginning to think there may be a link to breast cancer.

I wonder about the "Responsible-ness" about giving prescriptions to kids without telling their parents or primary care physicians. How many kids are going to take over the counter, and prescription meds from the primary care doctors that interact negatively with whatever form of birth control the girl is secretly on?

I wonder how many of the little Dr. Mengelas on the Portland Maine School board (or even the quacks with medical degrees working in these clinics) will be willing to break the code of silence when some of these girls get hurt or killed for "the cause"?

Unless there is evidence of abuse, NO "educator" who says "your parents don't need to know" should see one more paycheck as a school employee!!! No "educator" has the right to systemically keep the parents out of a child's health care or education.

This is not a "slippery slope" to fascism, this is an example of it.

I'm sorry to hear about your children Whip.

Honestly why do you think it's productive to bring forth one line zingers, from the skeleton closet of your personal life?

"I wonder about the "Responsible-ness" about giving prescriptions to kids without telling their parents or primary care physicians. How many kids are going to take over the counter, and prescription meds from the primary care doctors that interact negatively with whatever form of birth control the girl is secretly on?"

Exactly. Which is another reason why making this type of medical care available without parental consent is unwise. Right now, it is illegal for a school counselor or whoever to give out these contraceptives. However, I do not believe it is illegal for a counselor to refer a student to the ER or a hospital to acquire BC. Again, without notifying or securing parental consent.

"There is no valid comparison, and you cheapen the lives of those who died at Mengele's hand by trying to make one."

Whip pointing out political correctness. Cold day in hell huh.

Gee thanks.

LW POSTS:

Parents must give permission for their children to receive health services from the school clinic BUT ONCE THE CHILD IS IN THE CLINIC, parents will not be notified if their child REQUESTS AND RECEIVES prescription birth control drugs there.

LW, try to understand this is what has a majority of parents up in arms in a campaign to remove the school committee. It's a complete usurption of parental authority. It's the state overstepping its bounds.

And beyond not telling parents, the state is not telling lawful authorities when they discover these children are sexually active...something by state law that must be reported.

What I don't get is why people seem to insist they HAVE to have their children raised in government schools in the first place!

and what do you do with the kids who already had permission. just forget about them.

not everyone on the planet is as smart as you.