KFC,

I am very sorry and disappointed to read this last post by LW. Her insistence in going down the personal attack path as if something positive is added to the discussion never fails to astonish me.

This forum is far too important to be sidelined in this manner.

I don't think LW cares whether what she added was positive or negative. I can see a case being made that the comment was relevant to this topic, and also that it wasn't.

It's relevant because KFC brought up her sons, and dating patterns for them.

It's not relevant because AFAIK, her son was not in 6th grade.

So it's a toss up. I wouldn't have brought it up, because it appears it may be more hurtful to KFC than helpful to her readers.

Also, if KFC had thought it was relevant, she would have posted it herself.

I didn't get anyone pregnant before getting married, and I've only gotten my wife pregant since. Does that make my parents better than KFC? I don't think so. My Dad's comment before I left for college was, "Don't get anybody knocked up until you're out of college."

He's normally better than that, but that's the piece of advice that I remember.

I did get my wife pregnant before I was out of college, though, so that doesn't mean parenting always works. That doesn't make a worse parent, though. Especially at the college age and beyond. Come on, they're adults now. They do get to choose for themselves.

When a kid is in middle school, they should still be supervised most of the time. Lack of parental involvement/quality at that point will lead to opportunities for sex, which could then be utilized for such purposes at the choice of the child. However, the child shouldn't HAVE those opportunities to make the choice. It shouldn't really even be on their mind at this point.

The fact is, the media and advertising shoves sex down our throats. Even with good parenting, it's impossible to keep your child from the sexualized culture we live in, especially since it's bad parenting to keep your child locked in his room.

There's sex on TV, sex in the movies, sex on billboards when you're driving on the highway, sex everywhere. The American attitude towards sex is that it is okay to like it as long as you hide that you like it, as long as you don't talk about it, as long as it's private. So America says they don't like randy shows, how dare they play Las Vegas, Two and a Half Men, How I Met Your Mother, etc. and then sits down and watches them, laughs at the sexual humor, and then go to church on Sunday and wonder why there's a lust problem in America. Yeah, I do it too. Except I know that sex isn't what our kids want, it's not what the adults want, it's just shoved down our thoats as the substitute for what we really want.

We really want maturity.

'It worked.' Ok, then answer me this, why was one of your son's weddings put together in a rush because his g/f was pregnant? Obviously, it didn't work as well as you'd hoped, and your hypocrisy astounds me.

A rush? Really? Did I ever say that? He was married at 23...AFTER he graduated from College. They dated for SIX years. Where's the rush? We are talking about 6th graders not GROWNUPS here.

My youngest son is doing EXACTLY the same as far as marriage and there's no rush. They are getting married the SAME weekend in May which is about 2 weeks after college. This is normal!! Happens all the time. David and ALY are wearing purity rings......but I know LW doesn't wish to talk about that.

ALSO.......They got pregnant DURING the engagement.....not rush. The wedding was already on the books.

But this is all an attack LW. That's what you do best. Why not talk about my other two boys who are abstinent? Because it doesn't suit YOUR purpose to slander me and my family. What's the purpose here?

So it's a toss up. I wouldn't have brought it up, because it appears it may be more hurtful to KFC than helpful to her readers.

but see that's the goal Jay. She likes to take people down, not bring them up. I'm one of her favorites to do this to. Not once, have I gone after her or her lifestyle....and I will refrain from doing so.

If I wasn't a Christian, I'd attack Christians too. I mean, just look at the hypocrisy. You know sinning is bad, but you continue to do it? For what? Well, it's like smoking. You know smoking is bad for you, but it takes a lot of effort and drive to quit. Sin is like that, only worse. You think, if nobody catches me, I won't have to talk about it or admit to it... but then you remember, usually after, that yeah, God knows, and he wants you to confess it, too. And never do it again.

Sinning might be fun once or twice, but after a couple you're just left wondering what you're doing to yourself.

I hate it, and I realize it would take a really big God to forgive me. Luckily, there is one. And I try to serve him.

Lula, lula, lula . . .

Yet you didn't see the "Coulter, Gore, and Intelligence" one important enough to not sideline it with acerbic remarks about the Talmud, slinging mud at So Daiho's faith?

That, too, smacks of hypocrisy. And hey, you know what? That's okay, as long as you'll admit it.

You can think all you want that LW's remarks were hurtful. And they were. (And that's life.) But your remarks to So Daiho were equally, if not more, hurtful.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

SanCho laying down the law.   

~Zoo

Everyone knows that slinging mud at a topic is different than slinging mud at specific people. Slinging mud at a topic is part of a thread, slinging mud at a specific person is side-tracking and mean.

I fail to see the relevance in your example!

Now, if she had gone on about how Sodaiho did x and y etc. that would be off topic!

Or we could just stop playing in the dirt...unless it's really fun.

~Zoo

It's one thing to sling mud at the subject of the OP (which you could say Whip was doing, and quite well). It's another thing entirely to hijack the thread to purposely smear someone else's belief system (which is what Lula has done on So Daiho's). Besides, slinging mud at one's religious beliefs - often our most precious - is usually seen as a personal attack.

I fail to see the relevance of your protest!

how did this go from caring about the kiddies to hate attacks.

The answer must be that caring about the kiddies breeds hate.

Nobody cares about the childrens.

It's all just a pile of faulty emotional appeal. Ah, inductive fallacies - not your momma's debating style.

how did this go from caring about the kiddies to hate attacks.

good question. Actually it fits in quite well with my latest topic about Satan being a liar. He'll do anything to take the focus on what he's doing and place it on someone or something else.

Let's get back to the topic. Like I said there's a movement for a recall of these school board members. Do you think it's justified or not? What would you do if you had a child in this school? Speak out, speak to your child, or just ignore the whole thing?

yes





i wouldn't have a child in that school.

Isn't everyone a liar at some point?

~Zoo