I don't believe it. He's alive and doing well
Published on April 4, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
God speaks in mysterious ways so says the famous quote. Do you think that's true? I find for the most part, he's pretty direct when he speaks to me. I've heard him loud and clear so many times I'm tempted to put it all down in a book....usually I mark my bible with the "experiences" I've had with God, noted completely with the dates of occurrences.

This week an incident happened, actually involving my husband, that reminded me that God does listen and does care for our every need. He is not some faraway God that is not involved in our daily lives but desires a relationship with us now. For God to be God, his attributes have to be manifested. The way they are manifested is thru the lives of his people.

This week my husband who has been counseling a couple, in their 40's , had quite the interesting meeting with them. They started attending our church maybe a month or two ago. They are not married and are living together. There are issues they are dealing with. He's teaching them that their actions come with consequences which they are starting to realize for the first time. One of the issues discussed this week is their non married status..

She is very vocal while he is very quiet. It's quite clear that she is wrestling with God. Her desire is to follow God and is willing to work at changing her life around but draws the line in the sand when it comes to ending the living arrangement with the boyfriend. Somebody in our church has even offered to let her sleep at their home during the nighttime to help her. She's adament and at times very agitated. It's very clear that she's in a war zone here. She's troubled. She's irritated. She's angry. Yet, her desire is to follow God.

During the meeting she spat at my husband and said...."I DON"T LIKE YOU. YOU PISS ME OFF." Of course he was very taken aback not used to hearing anything remotely like this in a counseling session before. He asked her, "Why are you mad at me? I just showed you what the book says. I didn't write it, I'm just explaining it." To which she replied, "Well, God pisses me off too."

Ok, glad to see this is going well. Before she left he asked her. "Are you coming back next week?" "YES" she snapped back, not in a pleasant tone of voice. She is clearly not coming around easily. He told her earlier that she was rebellious and that she needed to work on that. He asked her if she had a bible. She said no. When he offered to get her one from the church she informed him she wanted no handouts. She knew exactly what she wanted and would get it for herself when she was ready. They talked a bit about pride here. She said, she wanted an NIV Life Application Bible. Since her eyesight was not great she wanted large print also.

I am not kidding what I am about to tell you. About an hour later one of the ladies in our church, I'll call her Brenda came up to my husband and from about 20 feet away tossed him a bible. "Feel that, how heavy that is," Brenda said. "I decided it's too heavy. I'm getting another bible. Give it away." My husband looked down at what he had just caught. It was an NIV, Life Application Bible with large print. Yep. Exactly what the lady in counseling had wanted. She had made it clear she wanted no handouts. But would she accept a bible right from the hands of God himself?

So, he called her. Remember this happened within an hour or so after the counseling session. She started to cry over the phone. He then went and told Brenda that God had just used her without her even knowing it. Her mouth opened wide, big smile on her face. "Wow"

Two mornings later we get a phone call from the boyfriend. His girlfriend is in the hospital in detox. She had been over medicating herself on prescription medicines and it was rough. She had a very bad night. My husband had a smile on his face. God is working on her, and God is winning. This is great. Another consequence for her actions. Remember they discussed this.

Sunday morning during the invitation song, a pretty blonde lady came forward. With her arm around my husband and his arm around her they prayed right there in the front of the church while we all sang. I had no idea until after church that this was the same lady that had told him four days earlier that he pissed her off. Here she was now, praying with him.

God is good. Don't tell me that God is not here. He's alive and doing well. I just saw him on Sunday morning.











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on Apr 05, 2007

History says differently.

Until around the 9th century, polygamy was the norm for rich men.  It was around then that the Catholic Church decided the whole 1 man, 1 woman thing.

In addition, the ceremony of marriage is a human invented thing that does not derive from the bible.

Personally, I don't care if someone wants to believe in magical super beings. It's their business and doesn't hurt me.  But don't ever think for a second that verbose graspings at straws are a substitute for a coherent argument.

I don't believe in a personal God.  I wish I did.  I would probably gain some level of comfort if I believed there was a magical super being looking out for me.  It is always easier to believe in spirits and the like than on the rational. 

The God of the bible didn't rely on faith. When it matters, God of the bible relied on the tangible -- he talked to Noah, talked to Moses, etc.  Moreover, Jesus performed miracles, raised the dead, turned water in to wine.  So even in the bible, faith was not demanded when it mattered.

It's just hard to take the bible any more seriously than Lord of the Rings or the Star Trek mythos. 

The bible is simply (to me) a sci-fi convention that got out of hand. 

on Apr 05, 2007
KFC, I appreciate where you're coming from, but you have nothing to offer that I haven't heard a million times. I simply can't base my life on what one book says. My heart and mind lead me as I feel my God intended. I lead a much more moral life than many of the christians I know. I think heaven and hell are right here for us. I'm not banking on the hereafter.


if you heard it a million times, maybe God is reaching out to you as well....  there may be a reason for it.

Shame on those Christians you know that are not being the light they should be. One thing I believe is that we are supposed to be representing the King. We are his subjects, so to speak, and many don't think about it much. As we go out into the world we need to remember our actions reflect back on our King.

I had a very dear friend named Betty who was a nurse. She was also a very moral person who did not believe in God. Her background was Jewish. We were running buddies so we used to have some pretty interesting discussions on our long 10 milers. You kind of remind me of her.

on Apr 05, 2007
To: adnauseam

Ice Cream Man, I commonly stay out of controversy but I feel your comments to KFC were out of order.


Dear me. Shall I die of a broken heart now, or wait till later?

Later, I think.
on Apr 05, 2007
When it matters, God of the bible relied on the tangible


Yeah, I've always kinda thought of Thomas as my favorite disciple...
on Apr 05, 2007
To: KFC

Yet even with his flaws David was a man after God's own heart.


On your own argument, that would make the heart of God capable of adultery and murder. Was that quite what you intended to say?

As to your narrative of the woes that befell both David and Solomon, I will admit that you have made a better fist than you normally do of the 'research' you condescend to undertake. But then, I didn't have a problem with the Biblical narrative. I have a problem with you - With your condescension. With your abominable self-satisfaction. With the manner in which you use God to magnify yourself and, while preening, make of God no more than the footstool on which you rest while waiting for everyone to fall into line with the unmitigated nonsense you 'teach'.

Blacklist me, if you can't deal with me. Unlike some, I will not accost you through the forums if you choose to do so.
on Apr 05, 2007
To: KFC

Shame on those Christians you know that are not being the light they should be. One thing I believe is that we are supposed to be representing the King. We are his subjects, so to speak, and many don't think about it much. As we go out into the world we need to remember our actions reflect back on our King.


Not only actions, but words written and spoken. You might want to think about these words of yours next time you're tempted to tell someone what a mess his or her life is. And you might reflect on these words too:

Luk 6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

I'd say EOIC has come in the spirit of King Ahab.


Thanks. I always rather liked Ahab.

on Apr 05, 2007

Because you are unable to hear anything but the repetitious sound of your own voice, KFC.

Here's a suggestion. Pray on it. And for once in your life, shut up and listen.


That's your answer LW? So you really don't have an answer then? Unable to hear what? You and your angry husband as you malign me every chance you get?

Pray on what? I do pray, everyday. Do you? Shut up and listen to who? You?

Do I come on your blog regularly like you and criticize you every chance I get? Have I ever done anything to you LW to warrent your unwanted attention? Since when do you two qualify as the JU police?

on Apr 05, 2007
To: KFC

In regard to Ecclesiastes, you missed the main point:

Ecc 2:15 Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also [is] vanity.
Ecc 2:16 For [there is] no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now [is] in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise [man]? as the fool.

Continue to think yourself wise. If nothing else, it's funny to watch.
on Apr 05, 2007
You might want to think about these words of yours next time you're tempted to tell someone what a mess his or her life is


Have I ever told you that? When did I? Most people don't have to be told their lives are a mess. They just inherently know. That's not even the point of this whole blog. Stick to the point.

why don't you just fess up and tell me what is REALLY bothering you King Abab? Because there was nothing in this article that warrented a reaction like you displayed. Nothing.

Quoting the "judge not, least you be judged" snippet is so old and overused. It's convenient isn't it? Just quote that and run away? Why bother quote what you don't adhere to anyway? Tell me who the real hypocrite is? At least I believe what I'm quoting and take it to heart.






on Apr 05, 2007
Blacklist me, if you can't deal with me. Unlike some, I will not accost you through the forums if you choose to do so.


I will not BL even you O King Ahab. You are free to malign and accost me (within reason) but if you choose to slander my God or use vulgarity I will use my delete button at whim. Other than that, slam away if you must.

I'm not sure what you are looking for from me? False humility? Sorry, I'm just not that type. I am very confident in my faith and you cannot stand that. I understand that. I can't help that. I don't sob and rail at God here on JU and tell you all my woes, so that makes me bad?

I write about the goodness of God and what he's done in my life that's good. What is wrong with that? I would hope it would bring hope to some, but I do realize for those not interested it's going to do nothing but stir up the hatred they already have for God, because it goes against how they believe. Your reaction speaks volumes to me.

You asked me to explain about David and Solomon and I did. It doesn't matter what I say, you will find fault and/or ignore it anyhow. Why should I bother?
on Apr 06, 2007
To: KFC

I'm not sure what you are looking for from me? False humility?


You're already in possession of enough false humility to supply a dozen megachurches twice over. And as to the quote from luke being overused, I agree. It's frequently used by erzsatz 'Christians' such as yourself to divert attention fom you to whatever sucker is busy falling for the reprehensible nonsense you refer to as your 'faith'. By all means, continue to feel confident in it - just as the builders of the Tower of Babel were confident that they would conquer heaven.

Let me make something clear. If I found you stranded by the roadside I would gladly help you. Despite the occasional ferocity of the language I direct against your version of 'Christianity-for-Dummies' (which I find loathsome, detestable and abhorrent) I bear no animus against you as another human being. I'm English. I have a fondness for baroque insults and a predisposition to violence in language.

But you should not mistake that for personal animosity. I have no reason to harbor ill-will towards you, and no wish to see you come to harm, or to suffer in any way. I find your version of Christian faith to be utterly contemptible and will continue to tell you so whenever the egregious nonsense you post irritates me enough to make me want to confront you - which is more often than you realise.

Other than that, I wish you nothing but the best.

As to my hating God... there's nothing to hate. God is, and has no more interest in my reaction to It than I do in the reaction of a community of ants that I have disturbed. I will not deny that there was a time that I thought I hated God, just as there was a time I thought God hated me. Until I realised just how laughable, how pretentious, how arrogant such thoughts are. Such thoughts are nonsensical. As nonsensical as a virus imagining (if it could) that it is hated by a star. The delusion that God cares for you is a product of nothing more than the arrogant assertion that God must care for you, grounded in the idolatrous belief that you are the center of the universe.

Persist in such imbecilities. As I said, if nothing else it's amusing to watch.
on Apr 06, 2007
Just a quick comment on style...

"Other than that, I wish you nothing but the best."


This should have been at the end of your post.
on Apr 06, 2007
Ice Cream Man: "...shall I die of a broken heart now or later."

I shall have to shut up now. There is nothing a Scotsman likes more than breaking an Englishman's heart. Oh, yes, we love to see you in pain. After all, you stole our country. Wait until May, friend.
on Apr 06, 2007
And as to the quote from luke being overused, I agree. It's frequently used by erzsatz 'Christians' such as yourself to divert attention fom you to whatever sucker is busy falling for the reprehensible nonsense you refer to as your 'faith'.


well I'm not sure what "erzatz" means but I'd like you to show me where I just ONCE used that quote? No, my friend, it's usually used by non Christians like yourself against Christians like myself. And you've already proven my point.

Let me make something clear. If I found you stranded by the roadside I would gladly help you.


I would love to say the same, but I think if I saw you, I'd be very afraid . Very afraid.

I bear no animus against you as another human being. I'm English. I have a fondness for baroque insults and a predisposition to violence in language.


No kidding!!! You're quite good at it, I might add.

The delusion that God cares for you is a product of nothing more than the arrogant assertion that God must care for you, grounded in the idolatrous belief that you are the center of the universe.


You've been listening to the "other side" for way too long. You've got it backward. God is the Center of the Universe, not me, not you not your lovely wife. But I won't bore you with the theology behind it. After all I realize you find this all tiresome.

As I said, if nothing else it's amusing to watch.


well then I'd love to say I'm glad I'm making you laugh, but I see more anger coming from you than a jolly ho ho ho.

This should have been at the end of your post.


ya, that would have been nice, but he just HAD to take one final poke at me before he left.



on Apr 06, 2007
Lw

I can't answer each and every comment you made LW...but let me ask you this? Did you NOT read the end of my piece when I said this lady came forward and put her arms around the Pastor and prayed with him? Did you not read that? Yes, they are still coming. They appreciate the truth. They want whatever the truth is. Not everyone wants their ears tickled. It can be hard, yes but we need to speak the truth. They are not being foced out by any means. They are welcomed in our church EVEN in their living arrangment but they will be told the truth. They are working it out in their own time. Never have we ever told them they MUST do this or that to stay in our church. We don't want to distance ourselves from them but to draw them closer. We have not lost one person due to a heavy hand. NOT ONE. In fact our church is growing so fast we just ordered another 100 chairs. They get the truth, blatent truth sometimes, but they also know quite well that we are all sinners saved by grace.

Jesus always told the sinners, go and sin no more. He told them the truth. He told them what they were doing was not honoring to him or to them. That's all we do. We have a very good record at restoring marriages in our church. The couples that have come in for counseling...EVERY SINGLE COUPLE.....after sitting down week after week with private counseling with my husband have said their marriages are more solid than ever. And it shows. Their focus was wrong. Every single time. That's what we work on...focus. Some were so bad, it looked like there was no hope. It's great to see these couples today so happy.

I can't say your Pastor did you any favors. You're not in church now are you? You're not leading Godly lives now are you? You're not following the God of your Pastor are you? So exactly how did he help you? Love you to hell? That's a good thing? So you're going to wait until the 11th hour? Well....... what if you die at 10:30? You wish to have a Pastor that will allow you to rebel? And you of all people respect that LW? So you think it best for the sheep to let the shepherd know what best? Well good luck with that.

Oh and to your question. Much of the problems this couple are facing are a result of guilt. They are being counseled to just come to God, leaving all their past behind and follow God and his will for their lives. They will be set free of all that garbage that is now taking them down. When God calls us out of the mud we start to realize it's no longer comfortable staying there. Where once cozy it's now dirty and heavy to be so covered. These two are starting to realize they can start over with a fresh new clean life together and this time do things right. God is dealing with them. It's a war between the spirit and the flesh. I believe if they do things right and invite God to the wedding, there will be no tearing them asunder.

You have a nice day as well LW. No hard feelings.








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