I don't believe it. He's alive and doing well
Published on April 4, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
God speaks in mysterious ways so says the famous quote. Do you think that's true? I find for the most part, he's pretty direct when he speaks to me. I've heard him loud and clear so many times I'm tempted to put it all down in a book....usually I mark my bible with the "experiences" I've had with God, noted completely with the dates of occurrences.

This week an incident happened, actually involving my husband, that reminded me that God does listen and does care for our every need. He is not some faraway God that is not involved in our daily lives but desires a relationship with us now. For God to be God, his attributes have to be manifested. The way they are manifested is thru the lives of his people.

This week my husband who has been counseling a couple, in their 40's , had quite the interesting meeting with them. They started attending our church maybe a month or two ago. They are not married and are living together. There are issues they are dealing with. He's teaching them that their actions come with consequences which they are starting to realize for the first time. One of the issues discussed this week is their non married status..

She is very vocal while he is very quiet. It's quite clear that she is wrestling with God. Her desire is to follow God and is willing to work at changing her life around but draws the line in the sand when it comes to ending the living arrangement with the boyfriend. Somebody in our church has even offered to let her sleep at their home during the nighttime to help her. She's adament and at times very agitated. It's very clear that she's in a war zone here. She's troubled. She's irritated. She's angry. Yet, her desire is to follow God.

During the meeting she spat at my husband and said...."I DON"T LIKE YOU. YOU PISS ME OFF." Of course he was very taken aback not used to hearing anything remotely like this in a counseling session before. He asked her, "Why are you mad at me? I just showed you what the book says. I didn't write it, I'm just explaining it." To which she replied, "Well, God pisses me off too."

Ok, glad to see this is going well. Before she left he asked her. "Are you coming back next week?" "YES" she snapped back, not in a pleasant tone of voice. She is clearly not coming around easily. He told her earlier that she was rebellious and that she needed to work on that. He asked her if she had a bible. She said no. When he offered to get her one from the church she informed him she wanted no handouts. She knew exactly what she wanted and would get it for herself when she was ready. They talked a bit about pride here. She said, she wanted an NIV Life Application Bible. Since her eyesight was not great she wanted large print also.

I am not kidding what I am about to tell you. About an hour later one of the ladies in our church, I'll call her Brenda came up to my husband and from about 20 feet away tossed him a bible. "Feel that, how heavy that is," Brenda said. "I decided it's too heavy. I'm getting another bible. Give it away." My husband looked down at what he had just caught. It was an NIV, Life Application Bible with large print. Yep. Exactly what the lady in counseling had wanted. She had made it clear she wanted no handouts. But would she accept a bible right from the hands of God himself?

So, he called her. Remember this happened within an hour or so after the counseling session. She started to cry over the phone. He then went and told Brenda that God had just used her without her even knowing it. Her mouth opened wide, big smile on her face. "Wow"

Two mornings later we get a phone call from the boyfriend. His girlfriend is in the hospital in detox. She had been over medicating herself on prescription medicines and it was rough. She had a very bad night. My husband had a smile on his face. God is working on her, and God is winning. This is great. Another consequence for her actions. Remember they discussed this.

Sunday morning during the invitation song, a pretty blonde lady came forward. With her arm around my husband and his arm around her they prayed right there in the front of the church while we all sang. I had no idea until after church that this was the same lady that had told him four days earlier that he pissed her off. Here she was now, praying with him.

God is good. Don't tell me that God is not here. He's alive and doing well. I just saw him on Sunday morning.











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on Apr 04, 2007
"Her desire is to follow God and is willing to work at changing her life around but draws the line in the sand when it comes to ending the living arrangement with the boyfriend. "

Why is it that i keep hearing certain (religious) folks mention this? Why end the living arrangement? What is so wrong with living together, and not being married? It's just that i hear a few, highly religious, folks say that we have free will, but...(always that but it seems...)...that there are things we're not supposed to do. Erm, then what's the point of free will? Meh, I don't know, there are just so many contradicting things concerning God. I've been paving my own path, and it works just fine. Anywho, I digress.

Personally, I believe in a God that is more hands off, than anything else. I think only in certain circumstances, does he/she...adjust things.



on Apr 04, 2007
What is so wrong with living together, and not being married?


Indeed...so we're supposed to live alone until we go through that whole wedding thing?....What a horrible and lonely existence...do roomates count?...I mean can you live with the opposite sex if you're not dating(or screwing) or is it same sex only(if you're not being gay)....or just alone in a little hole in the wall apartment?

~Zoo
on Apr 04, 2007
it's all about world view. It's all about wordly philiosophy or humanism vs God's view. Your view does not include a God that loves and cares for you and wants your best interest at heart. A man and woman coming together in marriage is a wonderful and sacred thing to God. Sex outside of marriage was not his plan for us. When we go outside his plan, via our free will, it's not his best for us. We are choosing something less. Why do we do that? He instituted marriage right from the beginning, one man for one woman. When we stray from that we run into all sorts of problems. One of which is bringing our baggage into our marriage when we finally do get married. Why do you want to do that?

Zoo: According to God, sex outside of marriage is not honoring to him. Having a roommate of the opposite sex is another thing. I see no prohibition against that, but it could lead to something that is not honoring to him. For instance I know of a case where two roomates that got drunk and had a one night stand just for kicks. It resulted in a pregnancy. The baby was born but the parents never married. They didn't love each other. It was stupid. BTW these two are miserable. Their living arrangement is not working for them I'd say which I find to be not that uncommon.

on Apr 04, 2007
To EOIC

If you would like to rephrase your question WITHOUT the use of vulgarity I will not delte your post. But since you could not refrain, I'm sorry you were sent to the great trash bucket of cyberspace. There really is no need of such vulgarity and you should know better than to do so especially on my turf. Have some respect please.
on Apr 04, 2007
I'll believe there is a personal God when every person who follows his teachings is treated with an enjoyable life free of agony and every person who is horrible to others is not living an enjoyable life. For every instance you can give testimony to a "personal God" I can give an instance of why there must not be. Of course whenever you say, if God was watching out for us, no child would ever suffer, you will just give the "everything happens for a reason" excuse.

I believe in God but I don't believe he has any day-to-day part in our lives. Too many wonderful people suffer for that to be true. Too many terrible people go unpunished with the excuse that they will be judged in the end. Well, why would a personal God give a wonderful life to a horrible person and a horrible life to a good person? I don't buy the old "he is testing my faith" excuse either. Why would faith need to be tested?
on Apr 04, 2007
Great questions Jill. But you're asking for the impossible. God NEVER said we would be without agony in this life. If that's your criteria, I'm afraid you'll never come to the conclusion that there is a personal God. But let me clear some of this up....or I can try.....from my Christian perspective  

First off it rains on the just and the unjust. The wicked often do prosper, at least for now; but those that trust in God will endure forever and the righteous always experience the goodness of God even in their sufferings.

I think of Paul, in prison. He suffered tremendously, not only in prison but even after being beaten, stoned, attacked, etc. Yet thru it all he had joy. He said thru all his trials God delivered him. He also warned us that we too shall suffer these types of things but to continue even so. He even said he rejoiced in his sufferings. It's the way of the cross. Many come to Christ as a result of seeing real Christians suffer. It's said the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the faith.

Christ said in his Sermon on the Mount "blessed are you when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake. Rejoice and be glad for great is your reward in heaven; for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."

Our reward is not here. Psalm 73 is a great place to go on this subject. The writer looked around and saw the wicked prospering and wondered how can that be? He finally came to the understanding that the prosperous, healthy, arrogant people do not reallize that they are standing "on slippery ground" v18. They are not as free as they think themselves to be. All that they have is temporary, on loan from God. They trust in everything and anything but God.

On the other hand rests the steadfast goodness of God who holds his own by the hand v23 and guides them v24 and after will take us into heaven v24.

From God's perspective he walks and talks with his own but the prosperity of the unbelievers is very short lived. It is their feet that are on a slippery slope, not the believers. When trials and troubles come they have nowhere to turn.

Christians that suffer do have a place to turn and we can and do feel his presence in our lives like the lady I wrote about here. He is making himself known to her. Joseph in Gen 37-50 is another great story about a godly man that suffered more than most. Thru it all he came out shining. In the end he made this great statement:

"But as for you you thought evil against me; but God meant it for good to bring to pass as it is this day, to save much people alive."

His suffering had a purpose and he was able to see it looking back...but I bet in the middle of it, he too had his doubts.

Faith that is tested is for us. It's for our benefit. Not his. As we are tested we come out more refined in the process....sort of like silver or gold being refined over the fire. It's the same with us. We come out stronger and cleaner.
on Apr 04, 2007
To: KFC

In regard to you, there is nothing to respect. You are a teacher more ignorant than your pupils. Every word you write reeks of your sanctimonious self-satisfaction. Your pride in your ignorance appals and revolts me. The depths of stupidity to which you can descend astounds me. Your reeking hypocrisy nauseates me.

You are a poster child for everything which is wrong in contemporary 'Christianity'. You are, in yourself, a living, breathing Damnation. When you cease to be the craven, self-serving, vain, idolatrous blasphemer that you are, I will respect you.

Until then, be damned to you. I will torment you as I see fit.
on Apr 04, 2007
And one more thing:

answer the damned questions instead of hiding behind fake outrage and false pride. If Jesus wept, he wept for the likes of you, and for your utter failure to demonstrate any quality that could remotely be called 'Christlike'.

You make me sick, you wretched excuse for a Christian.
on Apr 05, 2007
Wow, EOIC, I don't agree with KFC's beliefs but I can't see what she did to earn such loathing and contempt.

KFC, I appreciate where you're coming from, but you have nothing to offer that I haven't heard a million times. I simply can't base my life on what one book says. My heart and mind lead me as I feel my God intended. I lead a much more moral life than many of the christians I know. I think heaven and hell are right here for us. I'm not banking on the hereafter.
on Apr 05, 2007
PS: I respect anyone who has religious faith that doesn't harm others. I don't claim to have answers for anyone but myself. I even encourage my children to pursue their own spiritual paths.

So, happy Passover and Easter to all. Happy Spring to everyone else
on Apr 05, 2007

Oh really?


I actually had the same thought when I read this story.

Also, Brad and I were watching a program about the Black Plague last night and in it they chronicled The Flagulents "claiming" to have performed miracles. Of course that was ridiculous but it was perfectly easy to accept that a virgin gave birth to the son of God and he was able to perform such miracles.
on Apr 05, 2007
It's by CS Lewis and is called 'The Screwtape Letters.'


One of the greatest books to explain what a true Christian is and how trite and pap some people get in the name of God. Absolutely brilliant.
on Apr 05, 2007
Ice Cream Man: " You make me sick, you wretched excuse for a Christian."

I am normally torpid, normally allowing quiet waters to mix with currents of rapid torrent or rock-induced turbulence. I, like a calm trout, seek out a quiet pool with depth and, above all, tranquillity. I may not take a fly if the mayflies are about and I may, depending on my appetite.

Ice Cream Man, I commonly stay out of controversy but I feel your comments to KFC were out of order.You, an academic and a man of supposed principle (and the husband of LW whose blog I enjoy, for she is a woman of sense and sensibilty), let us down by such vicious rhetoric. KFC is a Christian with huge principles. I disagree with her often but I, too, believe in a Personal God. It is actually the essence of my belief. To denigrate her so viciously is not worthy of respect. KFC deserves better.
on Apr 05, 2007
Just how many wives was it that David had? And how many did Solomon keep? And, if the stories are to be believed, God seemed to have no problem with either case. But perhaps you'll tell me that the one man-one woman thing only applies to the NT dispensation? That God chose to let the poor benighted Israelites persist in the darkness of their polygamous sin until the Light of Christ was revealed?Go right ahead. Do, please, tell me that.


Actually David had 8 and Solomon had 1,000 including concubines.

David also committed murder, adultery and even lied on occasion. It didn't make it right did it? God wasn't condoning their actions. That's the amazing thing about the bible, it's not filled with perfect people but with flawed people. Yet even with his flaws David was a man after God's own heart. Why is that? Because David repented of his sin and time and time again would turn to God and each and every time God would forgive him. He knew he needed God and depended on him.

But they did what they did for a price. One only has to go past the weddings and look at the destruction of their families to see how God did not bless their unions. We all know about the love triangle between Abraham, Sarah and Hagar don't we? Sarah was the matriach of the Jews and Hagar the Arabs. A price was paid and is still being waged today.

Back to David, he paid many an installment for his many wives. Installment #1 was the death of his infant son as a result of his sin with Bathsheba...Installment #2 was the rape of his daughter by a son of a different marriage. .....Installment #3 was David's son Absalom killed his half brother Amnon to avenge his sister's rape. Installment #4 was David hiding out and fleeing for his life later on as his son Absalom tries to kill his own father and take his throne. Installment #5 Absolom, David's son went and had sex with his father's concubines. Then we read of David's grief over the tragic death of his son Absolom. No, David paid for his disobedience.

So, no, God allowed David to pay for violating his clear and perfect will. Like I said, just because God allows things to happen it doesn't mean we are getting away with anything. God knows the hurt that comes as a result of going against his wishes for us. When God says, "Don't" what he's really saying is "this is going to cause harm to you later."

Solomon, the wisest man to ever lived, started out good but ended up badly. He writes about life in Ecclesiates as he searches for the meaning of life. His many wives led him away from God. Many of his wives were political. During his reign it was the best time for Israel ever. They lived in complete peace for I think it was 40 years.

One of the things he says is "A good name is better than precious ointment and the day of death than the day of one's birth."

Seems kind of strange unless there's more to this life than what we see here. Life is futile he says. Life with God is a mystery but life without him is a nightmare. He comes to this after many years of attaining all that anybody could ever dream of. He had it all. Wealth, wisdom, women, wine, popularity, peace, pleasure,literature, natural science, power. After contemplating all that he had he concludes the following about life apart from God:

1. It is utterly futile
2. It is filled with repetition
3. It is permeated with sorrow
4. It is grievous and frustrating
5. It is uncertain
6. It is without purpose
7. It is incurable
8. It is unjust
9. It is on the level of animal existence.

Solomon concludes it is best if man finds God early in his life and fears God through his life. I believe that Solomon was a very miserable man with his many foreign wives. They served no purpose but to turn him away from the God of his father David. In the end Solomon realizes this and gives us his wisdom regarding life and the hereafter.

on Apr 05, 2007
Wow, EOIC, I don't agree with KFC's beliefs but I can't see what she did to earn such loathing and contempt.


you should have seen the first letter he left. It's his spirit. It's very bad. I represent all that he hates. He reminds me of King Ahab who surrounded himself with lying prophets that would tell him what he wanted to hear. But there was one prophet of God named Micaiah who always told the truth, spoke for the true God. Ahab would go into a rage about this one prophet. At one point Micaiah is summoned to give a report of an upcoming battle...all the false prophets had lied and spoke words like honey to King Ahab. Micaiah on the other hand said that Israel would be scattered like sheep with no shepherd Ahab exploded with rage and screamed...."Did I not tell you that he would prophesy no good concerning me, but evil?" You can find the whole story in 1 Kings 22. Pretty interesting. I'd say EOIC has come in the spirit of King Ahab.

I'd like to recommend a book I've been reading. It's by CS Lewis and is called 'The Screwtape Letters.' I see so much of you in some of the descriptions of 'Christians' in these letters, I think of you every time I read them.May you find it enlightening. Lord knows you're in the dark.


I've got the book on my shelf and I've read it. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you think I'm the one in the dark?

I disagree with her often but I, too, believe in a Personal God. It is actually the essence of my belief. To denigrate her so viciously is not worthy of respect. KFC deserves better.


Thanks AD......you are the only one to come to my defense and I shall not forget that. We can agree to disagree but to have rage like that means there is much more to the story behind it. I also do not believe I've said anything to deserve such anger.

At the present time I'm reading Israel's history about the Kings during the days of Jeremiah and isaiah and Ezekiel. They were treated very badly and for what? Giving out the word of God to the people. Zechariah, a High Priest, was stoned to death as was Stephen in the NT for speaking the truth. It's a pretty black day when a Priest is stoned for representing God. Christ even mentioned this death of Zechariah in Matt 23:35.







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