It's going to get better
Published on July 19, 2006 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events
Israel. They are forever it seems the center of the news. Israel is the center of biblical history and prophecy and as we can see quite clearly, current events. I believe there is a reason for this.

Our Pastor asked a question on Sunday. How can we show that God's word is true? Many answers could be heard from the congregation but not the one he wanted. The answer? Israel. He said Israel's survival is the best testimony of the word of God. From the beginning of the OT history Israel's future was prewritten. The prophets prediicted not only Israel's possession of the land but also her unparalleled suffering and dispersion throughout the whole earth, her eventual repentance and then finally her last days restoration...which has not totally happened yet.

"Thus says the Lord, which gives the sun for a light by day and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night.....if those ordinances depart from before me then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. If heven above can be measured and the foundastions of the earth searched out beneath I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says the Lord." Jeremaih 31:35

This was written in 500-600 BC and as we can see still true. Israel is still here. Even tho they were scattered for the better part of 2000 years not coming into their own until 1948 when Israel was declared a homeland for the Jewish nation. And they came. From all over the globe as it said they would in Ezek 37 as dry bones that have come back to life. It says there

Come from the four winds ...and breathe upon the slain that they may live....and the breath came into them and they lived and stood up upon their feet so exceeding great army. ....I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves and bring you into the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord....and I shall place you in our own land and then you shall know that I am the Lord have spoken it and performed it. .

This is prophecy that we've all seen in our lifetime. It hasn't been easy but for Israel to be in this land is nothing more than miraculous. It's an awesome time for any that believe in the promises of God. This goes all the way back to Abraham where God said...I will make you a great nation and I will bless you and make your name great and you shall be a blessing and in you shall all families of the earth be blessed. Gen 12

Israel is a fossil civilization. Where are all the other peoples of the OT? Gone. They have been assimilated into other cultures long forgotten. The Jewish people comprise about 1/4 of 1% of the world's population. In other words one out of every 370 people presently living is Jewish. In the US the population of Jews comes to about 2%.

The astounding influence of this relatively small group of people in politics, law, science, medicine, journalism, economics, labor, the arts, the media, etc cannot be overstated. This can be quickly illustrated by the fact that as an identifible group they have won more Nobel prizes thn any other people group.

Mark Twain wrote of the Jew:

He could be vain of himself and not be ashamed of it. Yes he could be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian and the Persian arose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff, and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed and made a vast noise and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held the torch high for a time; but it burned out and they sit in twilight or have vanished.

The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his engeries, no dulling of his alert, agressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?


I believe the secret to his immortality can be traced to that unconditional covenant God made with Abraham, the father of the Jewish people. It's not a secret that the Jews are pall bearers in their enemies' funerals. They are receiving special protection and will continue to do so as we understand the prophecy written for them.

This is exciting times for the Jews and all those that are believers in the promises he made not only to the Jews but those that are supporting them. Whoever blesses Israel God will bless. He said so, and we here in the US are a testimony of that. God has indeed blessed us beyond measure. I am very thankful that others are trying to get into this country not out of it. What do they see? I believe they see God's blessing and hand upon us.




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on Jul 24, 2006
I dont worry myself about these things anymore, AD, I havent been a Christian for over a decade now.


LW, I know you don't worry about such things. I haven't been a 'Christian' either for over a decade either. Oddly, the christians don't consider me a christian and the jews don't consider me a jew. But I don't care I am who I am.
on Jul 24, 2006
I don't think cacto believes in either, so your entire argument is moot to him


I do have faith in a creator, I'm just undecided as to whether it's worthy of worship. I think the god of the old testament is an unmitigated bastard who arbitrarily screws with his own people. The new testament seems almost totally different, barring the eccentricities of the acts, letters and revelation. Intellectually I consider them two conceptualisations of god as kind of like in the Hindu pantheon. Each is an aspect of the same being (in modern Hinduism all gods are considered aspects of the one creator god, Vishnu) but formulated to be worshipped by different people.

So naturally I identify with the vision of god who doesn't seem like a vicious control-freak with anger management problems. Forgiveness, peace and love for all, self-sacrifice - those are all qualities that I admire. Blind obedience, capriciousness and sundry smitings are not.
on Jul 24, 2006
The difference I think in the OT and NT view of God is pretty apparent, I think. The OT God is anthropomorphic; vengeful, jealous, bloodthirsty, and capable of intending "evil" by the Bible's own admission. If you looked at the view of any culture's God at that time, they probably wouldn't have been much different at the time. Coincidentally, the people had the same values as their gods. Now God reflects our values more. Did God change?

I doubt any of the other cultures believed they were worshiping weak, false gods with no power. No doubt when they won it was because they did good, and when they lost it was punishment, too. We reflect ourselves on God. The Westboro church folks are basically vermin, so they describe God as the same sort of vermin. I think what you have to do is look at the whole of what we have historically, and what we know personally, and build our definitions as carefully as we can as to not build what we are onto God.
on Jul 24, 2006
Every time you people


there ya go again....."you people?" Let me tell ya, I've never sold all my possessions and waited on the top of any mountain for the second coming. Do I say such things to you Baker? Do I put a label on you? Why do you me? You seem to need to do so for some reason. Will it make you feel better if you can put me in some sort of box?

I'm openly assuming that you believe that Catholicism is the great whore of Babylon, and that you believe that Roman Catholics are going to hell unless they deviate from from RC belief.


As far as I am concerned you and Roman Catholics are both Christian, unless you want to explain your definition to me. You don't seem to want to. I wonder why?


Where do you get this idea? Did I not say, that this is not a thread on Revelation? Did I not say maybe later I would do something on it? Are you just pushy.....or do we call you assertive? Just to jiggle your memory I said this:

So the WHORE is the mother of all the Harlots. The Whore gives birth to the Harlots. For the exact scripture go to Rev 17. Maybe later we'll discuss this on another thread.

you believe that Roman Catholics are going to hell unless they deviate from from RC belief.


I believe my own children are going to hell if they don't accept the finished work on the Cross. I've already told you it's not about RELIGION but all about RELATIONSHIP. Remember those in scripture that said,.....Lord, Lord didn't we do all this for you? and Jesus replied.....Get away, I do not KNOW you? There will be many that are religious yet lost. There will be a great many church goers from all religions that will not enter the pearly gates. It's not about going to church. You know the saying.....being in the garage does not make one a car? Same with church. Being involved in a church does not make one a Christian either.

Now let me ask you some questions. What is your definition of a Christian? You say that you consider me as well as the RCC Christians. Are all RCC Christians?

Most of my family as well as my husband's family are RCC. Many go only on special occasions maybe once, twice a year and have never lifted a bible. Are they Christians? My husband, an altar boy for years almost went into the priesthood. He did not consider himself a Christian at that time. Do you think he was? How does one become a Christian?

When I point out that she isn't espousing what has generally been believed throughout history, she denies it, stating her beliefs are just "Christian". If she's got "real" Christianity that they had in the first century, what were all the people who differed with her for the last 2000 years?


This is a lie. You are trying to say that the RCC is the same church as the first century Apostles and I will be the first one to stand up and say that is not true. I've also told you elswhere that God has given more light to every generation...things that didn't make sense before the printing press and modern technology makes a heck of alot of sense now.

Besides, unless everyting I've ever been taught about the Bible is wrong, they are the same God, only the message has changed


I agree with the first half LW but not the second. I don't believe the message has changed. What was the message?



on Jul 24, 2006
You disregard and say that changed. Do you not?


Hi Dude, glad to talk to you again!! We've been over this many times and you just don't accept my answer. I did show you things at the time. The 7th day was part of the Old Covenant that celebrated creation. The first day of the week celebrated by the new Christians celebrated the New Covenant. It really goes back to Lev 23 when you look at all those feasts....they dovetail beautfifully. I suggest you study the Feast of Firstfruits. Christ was the firstfruit...was he not?

I haven't been a 'Christian' either for over a decade either. Oddly, the christians don't consider me a christian and the jews don't consider me a jew.


well then what are you? If you're not a Christian (follower of Christ) and not a Jew (follower of the OT) then what do you beleive? You don't seem like an agnostic or an atheist either.

but if the message changed wouldn't that disagree with the omnicience of the unity (oneness) of G-D?


yes, I think so.

on Jul 24, 2006
'there ya go again....."you people?" Let me tell ya, I've never sold all my possessions and waited on the top of any mountain for the second coming. "


...yet. Give it time. Given what you profess about the Apocalypse it really couldn't be something you'd be able to rule out, either, I'm betting.

"Where do you get this idea? Did I not say, that this is not a thread on Revelation? Did I not say maybe later I would do something on it? Are you just pushy.....or do we call you assertive?"


I gave you a good explanation of why I wanted to know if you considered the Roman Catholic Church Christians or not. You just refuse to answer because you know it will make you look just that much more like Phelps's crew.

"Now let me ask you some questions. What is your definition of a Christian? You say that you consider me as well as the RCC Christians. Are all RCC Christians?"


I don't believe that we have the right to make the kind of judgment you claim it takes to decide if someone is "Christian" or not. I believe the definition of Christian is in the dictionary with all the other definitions. Not some quality rating you put on other people's faith, thanks.

So yes, I'd consider Catholics Christians so long as they worship Christ, just as I would call you a Christian for the same reason. I don't differentiate who has the "real" thing by how they interpret a man-made book. I'm not God, so I can't see into their souls, and lemme tell ya sister, the fruits of people's lives cuts pretty hard to the crowd you follow, too.

To me it is arrogant to the extreme to pretend that any of us formed our own beliefs, or that we are more "Christian" than other people because of them. Point out to me where the Bible defines "Christian". You can't, and your definition is still more man-made "religion" that you pretend to dislike.

"This is a lie. You are trying to say that the RCC is the same church as the first century Apostles and I will be the first one to stand up and say that is not true. I've also told you elswhere that God has given more light to every generation...things that didn't make sense before the printing press and modern technology makes a heck of alot of sense now. "


No, I'm openly saying that Christianity has evolved and is never, ever the same church it was 100 years before. I'm saying that NO ONE worshipped or believed as you do more than a couple of hundred years ago. YOU are the one claiming to have miraculously divined exactly what a church was like 2000 years ago when millions of Christians were too faithless or ignorant between then and now.

If you can admit that God somehow hands out the tools for becoming as Christian as you a little at a time to mankind as technology and knowledge progresses, then you'd have to admit that maybe your finely-tuned definition of "Christian" changes over time, too. Eventually, maybe you'll even realize how arrogant and man-made such a ranking of people is when you decide if they are really Christian by how much they agree with you.

Have you considered the fact that if 99% of the people who ever espoused Christianity believed different things than you, that perhaps the label doesn't fit YOU? I think it does, but you seem to have to differentiate. Why not invent a new word for yourself, instead of denying other people the right to be "real" Christians?

The word Christian is in the Bible three times that I can find, and none of the time does it define it as you seem to. If you want to make up definitions, why not give it a new name instead of hijacking one that people have used for the worship of CHrist for 2000 years?
on Jul 24, 2006

I gave you a good explanation of why I wanted to know if you considered the Roman Catholic Church Christians or not.

So yes, I'd consider Catholics Christians so long as they worship Christ,

Seriously Baker, I have not seen where she has ever slammed Catholics.  I know many do, but she is respectful in that area.  Or did I miss something?

on Jul 24, 2006
Evidently you did, Dr. Guy. I pointed out that her religion is fairly new, and she proposed that she worships in the original "Christian" way. When I pointed out that that means people in between weren't worshiping in the "Christian" way, she made a clumsy dodge or two, and basically agreed by pointing out the Catholic Church's stance on the Apocalypse and the fact the Catholics she knows don't go to church or read the Bible often enough.

I don't fault her for differing with the Catholic Church. It seems obvious to me though, that it isn't whether they worship Christ or not that makes them Christians to KFC, it is how much their beliefs agree with her Christian minority on their interpretation of the Bible. She's got the real thing, Doc, and the Catholics, me, and all the rest don't seem to.

Again, it isn't about what's in us, it's about what's in a book, and whether or not we decide it means what she says it means. That's the antithesis of "Christian" to me.
on Jul 24, 2006
We've been over this many times and you just don't accept my answer.


You said the message didn't change but that G-D does? You and I do have much common ground in the linear piece of scripture. Malachi disagrees with you.

As for the sunday worship I suggest you study up on the council of Trent. That's all I'll say about that. Or else we will go round and round dancing?

gave you a good explanation of why I wanted to know if you considered the Roman Catholic Church Christians or not. You just refuse to answer because you know it will make you look just that much more like Phelps's crew.


Doc, I think Bakers point here is to connect the dots. Most Christian churches outside of Catholicism point demonic finger towards the Catholic church saying that she will behold the anti-christ. Alot of this stems with the consipiracy theory from all over. Also alot stems from the anti-semitism that has done in the name of the 'church.'
on Jul 24, 2006
...and the mere fact that she has the arrogance to decide that other people aren't Christians when they believe they are...
on Jul 24, 2006
Hi Dude, glad to talk to you again!!


Hey KFC. It has been awhile. I know you've been busy with accidents and weddings. Cheers to ya.
on Jul 24, 2006
Oh and by the way,

if those ordinances depart from before me then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever.


Aren't these the ordinances you say are done away with?
on Jul 24, 2006
I responded. And then thought better of it, and decided to just walk away. So my response has been deleted.
on Jul 24, 2006
and the mere fact that she has the arrogance to decide that other people aren't Christians when they believe they are


Baker, if you can't be a tad more respectful, I'm going to have to stop discussing these things with you. You get way bent out of shape here...and I really don't want to argue this. I'm trying my best here to answer you. We have a difference of opinion and you'll just have to accept that. I believe in the bible as not man made but God spoken thru mere men...and you don't. That is my foundation, my plum line if you will. What is your foundation? What do you hang your hat on? Your intellectualism? Somebody's opinion? Tradition? I never said anywhere who is and isn't Christian. I, as Dr Guy correctly stated, have never slammed Catholics or any other person. Not even you or those who make it a habit to slam me. I refrain from that.

I do have issues with the Organization as well as many others...yes.....not the people. I have very dear friends who are Catholic. I have many friends that have left the organization. In almost every church I've been in 2/3 were ex-Catholics including myself and my husband. I have done and researched the history quite thoroughly...believe me.

The people are the church, not the denomination or the buildings. Church is ecclesia...which means "called out ones." Christ is the head and we who follow him are his body made up of Christians from all walks and denominations that follow him. I believe many if not most of our churches are teaching aposty which is what Peter and Paul begged us to watch out for.

Your problem is you want to try and label me and you can't. Not really. I'm a Christian. I follow Christ even to the cross. It all comes down to one question...."Who do you say that I AM?"

She's got the real thing, Doc, and the Catholics, me, and all the rest don't seem to


no, the real thing's got me Baker. You have no idea. Remember God is the one that reached down and grabbed me.......Paul is a great example of the saving grace of God along with Abraham, Noah, Gideon, Jeremiah, David, Ezek....the list goes on. We don't search out for him.

...yet. Give it time. Given what you profess about the Apocalypse it really couldn't be something you'd be able to rule out, either, I'm betting.


didn't your mama tell you the evils of gambling? You'd lose this one. Jesus said when he came back it would be like the days of Noah. It's going to be normal activitiy going on. When we least expect it.....so why would I go up a mountain?
Have you considered the fact that if 99% of the people who ever espoused Christianity believed different things than you, that perhaps the label doesn't fit YOU? I think it does, but you seem to have to differentiate. Why not invent a new word for yourself, instead of denying other people the right to be "real" Christians?


so you're saying it's the majority rules? Is that right? What did Jesus say about this? Did he say the road would be narrow and fairly empty or wide and busy on the way to eternal life? No Christianity (true) is all about the underdog. How many were on that Ark btw? How many were in the upper room after 3 1/2 yrs of Christ's ministry when the beginning of the church formulated? How many were in Gideon's army when he defeated the enemy? How about David when he defeated the Philistiine?

You still have not answered my question.....are you now a Catholic Baker?


on Jul 24, 2006
Hey KFC. It has been awhile. I know you've been busy with accidents and weddings. Cheers to ya.


back at ya!!

You said the message didn't change but that G-D does?


no, I never said God changes. He has an Old Covenant and a New One planned right from the foundation of the earth. They both point to Christ. The first pointed to God our creator and the second to God our redeemer. Jesus is our Rest!! "Come all you who are heavy burdened and I will give you rest."

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Malachi disagrees with you.


Oh ya? Can you explain what you mean?

As for the sunday worship I suggest you study up on the council of Trent. That's all I'll say about that. Or else we will go round and round dancing?


I'm familiar with this. Trent didn't make this up only acknowledged what was already believed by the first century Christians and what we see even in the early church activity in scripture. So it wasn't new only acknowledged and agreed upon.

responded. And then thought better of it, and decided to just walk away. So my response has been deleted


I'm sorry. I would have liked to hear somebody new here.

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