If you go out into space past our atmosphere, what does the sunlight look like? It is brilliant white.

Color is completely irrelevant to this discussion. When you are past our atmosphere you see a circle as the sun. If (as you say) light didn't need to reflect off of something why is it a circle. If light is going out in all directions of the sphere I would not see a circle. I would not see darkness would I?

I see light coming from the sun and I see light being reflected off the moon but what about inbetween? Is there some tunnel or blackholes that I am unaware of?

When you are past our atmosphere you see a circle as the sun. If (as you say) light didn't need to reflect off of something why is it a circle

Because the sun is a planet and it is round.  It emits light which diffuses the farther away it reaches from the sun.  It's not being reflected to be seen.

I see light coming from the sun

Exactly.  It is coming from the light source (sun).  It's not being reflected to be seen.  The moon is not a light source.  If it were not for the sun, you wouldn't see it at all.  Just because you can say "I see the moon because of reflected light" doesn't mean that "light has to be reflected to be seen".

Does fire have to be reflected to be seen?

 

Because the sun is a planet and it is round.

The Sun is a planet? I thought the sun was a star and is round because of gravity. Maybe I went to the wrong school?

Just because you can say "I see the moon because of reflected light" doesn't mean that "light has to be reflected to be seen".

But why do I only see the two points and not the line between?

I think we are saying the same thing just in different ways

Yup yup.

Wow, I've never seen two people debate light before.....

The Sun is a planet? I thought the sun was a star and is round because of gravity. Maybe I went to the wrong school?

Yes, technically it is a star.  And, yes, it is round because of its gravitational pull pulls particles into it.  But that has nothing to do with the light being emitted.  The light that is reflected off the moon is brighter than the light around it, therefore you see it.  that is not to say that other light does not exist, it's just not as bright. 

 Is the moon visible during the day?  Why not?  The light being reflected off the moon is the same during the day as it is at night, but you don't see the moon because the light from the sun is brighter.

Light doesn't travel in a "beam".  That would be like saying that you don't see "light" between a light fixture and the floor.  You see the light as it is shining down- it's not being reflected off the floor to be seen.

Adventure-Dude: This is getting kind of nuts. If you point that laser pointer you mentioned into your eye and blind yourself, you'll realize it doesn't have to bounce off anything. Why are you arguing something so patently obvious?

The sun doesn't bounce off anything when you look up at it. It's straight from the source to your eye. This is getting a little neurotic, imho.

This is getting a little neurotic, imho.

Yeah, but isn't that the fun of it?    Quit entering logic into this, Baker!

Is the moon visible during the day? Why not? The light being reflected off the moon is the same during the day as it is at night, but you don't see the moon because the light from the sun is brighter.

That's strange where I live I saw the moon this morning after the sun came up. Maybe I live on a different planet too?

Yes, technically it is a star. And, yes, it is round because of its gravitational pull pulls particles into it.

It has particles? Wait so does fire? Imagine that. This is why you see the circle. What about black light? I can see the bulb and I can see the items that glow (reflect light) but the rest of the room remains mostly unlit why? Because only certain types of material reflect such light.

That would be to say that you don't see "light" between a light fixture and the floor. You see the light as it is shining down- it's not being reflected off the floor to be seen.

I don't see anything between the floor and the light. I see the floor AND I see the light. Unless there is dust in the air I don't see anything between. I see color due to the different type of reflection from the variety of absorbtion/reflection of the material.

Actually Paul gives detailed info on how to confront a brother or sister who is sinning...going to them, then if they persist, involving the elders, and if they continue kicking them out of the church. That is judging in my book.Though it has no bearing on their salvation, being kicked out of church, we do have pretty clear guidelines about judging and confronting a believers sin.

absolutely. Agree 100%. I go by the Matt 18 principle which Dude brought up.

I actually saw this happen in church twice. Once was because a man cheated on his wife (she was pregnant to boot) and the Pastor denounced him in the front of the congregation. I was like....wow. Never saw that before. Before this happened they were the picture perfect couple with one little boy and the other on the way. After a few months he came back to the church and asked to be forgiven and with opened arms we welcomed him back and he went back with his wife.

The other time was similar with another man that was running around on his wife as well. He was asked to leave. This man never came back and still leads a pretty reckless life. He's in his fifties so it's not like he's sowing any young oats or anything.

Everytime this stuff happens the church grows. It's like God is pleased that we are calling sin....sin and dealing with it. It takes guts for a pastor to stand up and do this. It's not easy.

Tova/Dude

Check out 1 Cor 5:11. Pretty strong statement made by Paul. Some sort of judgment has to be made for this to happen. Notice....."not even eat."

Check out 1 Cor 5:11. Pretty strong statement made by Paul. Some sort of judgment has to be made for this to happen. Notice....."not even eat."

KFC I agree with you this is not a condemning judgement this is protecting your house/family.

I am greatly encouraged that there are some churches out there that practice such things. Thanks for sharing KFC.

Yeah, but isn't that the fun of it? Quit entering logic into this, Baker!

Baker cannot help it!  And I agree with you!  Blog on dudes and dudettes!

If you point that laser pointer you mentioned into your eye and blind yourself, you'll realize it doesn't have to bounce off anything. Why are you arguing something so patently obvious?

Baker, The rod cells and cone cells with in light absorb light and convert them into electrical impulses. You burn them out you don't see anymore. Everything does two things with light it either absorbs or reflects. This is where we distinguish color.

"Baker, The rod cells and cone cells with in light absorb light and convert them into electrical impulses. You burn them out you don't see anymore. Everything does two things with light it either absorbs or reflects. This is where we distinguish color."

Then you admit that there doesn't need for anything between your eye and the source of the light, right? You don't have to bounce the light of the sun off anything to see the sun, and you don't need for the laser to bounce off anything in order to burn your eye.

You'd agree, then, we wouldn't be able to see the moon unless light bounced off it, because it isn't a SOURCE of the light. The sun, on the other hand, transmits light direct to our eyes.

You'd agree, then, we wouldn't be able to see the moon unless light bounced off it

Yes I agree with the quoted because the light wouldn't be reflected ie "New Moon".

because it isn't a SOURCE of the light.

But in a sense it IS a source of light because it is reflecting photons away from it. That is why at night when I am at a lake I can see the moons reflection on the water. It is not converting energy into light but because light comes from it (not the beginning source). Back to the point being the sun is only converting something that was previously created (Day 1). The reason we see the sun as being round because of the particles that are held in a spherical shape by gravity. If the particles weren't there we wouldn't see the sun but because of chemistry we know that they exist.