A Marriage Made In Paradise
Published on May 14, 2010 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

Last weekend I was asked to speak at a woman's luncheon for Mother's Day.  When I inquired as to what they wished for a subject matter they left it up to me.  So I thought about it for a day or so.  Then I came up with Eve.  Why not?  Afterall she was the mother of us all.  Since I've never heard a Mother's Day Sermon on this topic I decided I'd tackle it myself.   

Woman are important to God and He makes that very clear thru His written Word.  Even so, the message gets clouded by the cultures.  In the Eastern culture we know that women are surpressed.  In the Western culture women are aggressive and domineering more than ever.  During the days of Christ the Jews kept their women as subservient.  I heard that that it's written about the Torah that it would be better to burn it than to teach it to women! 

But what does the bible say about woman's role in society?  What is their purpose?  Jesus did much to elevate women during His time on earth and they loved Him.  It was to a woman He first announced He was the Messiah.  It was to women He first revealed Himself as risen from the dead.  He delivered at least one woman from unjust justice. 

Women were used mightily by God.  I think of Rahab who God used to save two spies facing sure death as a result if caught.  I think of Miriam who was a prophetess and ministered alongside her brother Moses.  Deborah was a judge and leader who was chosen to deliver God's people during the terrible days of the Judges.  Esther helped save her people, the Jews, from sure extermination and Lydia was a business woman who was instrumental in starting a first century church out of her home. 

So we come to Eve.  We know very little of this first lady.  We do know she was God's final creative work in the first week.  She was also a companion for Adam.  But there's more. 

Everything started out well in the garden although it didn't end that way thanks to Eve and her husband.  Eve led her husband into direct violation of God's revealed will to them.  So they were banished from Paradise.  She is a very human portraid of falling into sin but also of picking up the faith afterwards. 

She was created for a unique role in creation.  She was to minister to Adam and with Adam being his help-mate.  She was designed to complete him as well as assist him.  We read this in Genesis 1:26-28:

"And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.  So God created man in his own image in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.  And God blessed them and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 

Did you see the word "them?"  This was for both of them. A job for two.  These things were too great for them to do alone.  We see a few things about God's purposes for mankind here. 

1.  To be like Him; to reflect God's image in creation.  It took both of them to do this.  We think of God as a He and that pronoun is used but it takes both man and woman to accurately reflect God's image.  We think of God as mighty, powerful, just, logical, strong, etc. but He's also depicted in scripture as loving, tenderhearted, merciful, gracious etc.  We see both male and female characteristics in Him. 

2.  They were to rule over creation.  They were given authority over all the earth.  Together.

3.  They were to reproduce; be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.  Together.

So zooming in on Eve let's look at why she was created.  What is her purpose for being created?  Gen 2:18-22:

"And the Lord said It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper for him.  And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every fowl of the air and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them and whatsoever Adam called every living creature that was the name.  And Adam gave names to all cattle and to the fowl of the air and to every beast of the field but for Adam there was not found a helper for him.  And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept and he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh.  And the rib which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman and brought her to the man." 

1.  Adam was not complete by himself.

2.  It was not good.  Even in Paradise something was not good.  Seven times, it was mentioned in the first chapter after God created, God said that "it was good" until we get here to 2:18 which says "it was not good." 

3.  Man was completed with need.  He was created incomplete.  He was made complete with Eve. 

4.  She was to be a helper suitable for him. 

Looking a bit further we can see some principles for the marriage relationship right here that brought this first couple together in Holy Matrimony. 

Genesis 2:23-24

"And Adam said this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh she shall be called Woman because she was taken out of Man.  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh."

We see that God brought Eve to Adam.  It wasn't Adam's job to find a mate which makes me wonder looking around today at all the broken marriages.  How many consulted God in the choosing of their mate?   What would it have been like if they did?  God know more than we do so why don't we ask Him first?  

Unlike the animals she was like him.  She was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.  She was perfect for him.  The relationship necessitated him to leave his mother and father.  Obviously this was meant for future generations because these two were a special first couple with no parents.  This marriage required cleaving and the Hebrew word implies "to be joined by commitment."   Marriage is a commitment not a feeling or an emotion.  We need to stick it out, stay together and work things out as much as possible with us. 

Marriage results in being one together.  This one flesh points to the physical body but in principle also includes all that a person is; mind, emotions, will etc.  One cares for the other as one would care for oneself. 

And marriage results in nakedness without shame.  They had no shame.  They were naked and it was good.  This, again, goes beyond the physical.  We need to be open and up front with each other.  There should be no hiding, no secrets from each other. 

So everything started out well.  Until Eve was tempted.  Then everything changed.  She entered into a discussion with a serpent.  Is it no wonder women and snakes don't get along today?  We'll start there next time.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Jun 25, 2010

I think that you should give up on trying to explain the use of the word giant.   Obviously the question can not be answered so it's time to move on.

on Jun 25, 2010

Here's the passage in question 6:4:

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old men of renown."

and that would fit nicely with #2 (Royalty) that I mentioned before. Now it makes more sense to me Whisper. So thanks for this bit of info.

KFC posts:

5. The word Nephilim occurs only here and in Numbers 13;33 (not Golith) where it refers to the Anakim who were people of great stature. Like I said before nephilim/Gibborim is not "giants" but something more like "princes" "aristocrats" or "great men" and goes nicely with what you said "gods coming from heaven."

I've just quoted Numbers 13:33-34 and it's not only men of great stature...Numbers says they saw the giants, the sons of Anak (Anakim). they seemed as locusts (grasshoppers) next to them!  The Anakim were an aboriginal race of giants..they were tall and huge. I read that the Anakim eventually mixed with the Canaanites before the Israelite invasion.  

 

on Jun 25, 2010

What if, just what if, your common sense reasoning is wrong? I don't know that men of that time would use metaphors, they seem to be creations of speech of a later time. However, what if these men were describing exactly what they saw, "gods that came down fromthe sky or heaven"? 

What if it is possible?

This is why I said don't think Hollywood...there has been many myths and movies about giants and fallen angels or celestial beings taken bodily form and having intercourse with humans and such.

The word nephilim has it's roots in the Sumerian language and it means "sons of the gods from the sky or heaven". It would be the Sumerian definition that is the root of the word. Sumerian is the oldest written language in the world, far older than hebrew.

It may, but we are talking about the word "Nephilim" in Scripture and these passages of Scripture were written in the ancient Hebrew language...and translated ....Genesis and Numbers and 1 and 2 Samuel is God's inspired Word not Sumerian legend or mythology.

If you want to study it from a historical point of view, then acknowledge the fact that the Sumerians legends borrowed much from pagan mythology.

I think interpreting the sons of God as celestial beings of mythology is bunk.

It would only stand to reason that in Genesis where it reads that "the sons of God" that that statement or description would be totally accurate according to the root of the word. However since the scripture reads that God was angered, it could also be said that they were the "sons of the gods that came from the sky or heaven" that fell out of favor or grace with God.

In Genesis 6:4, The "giants" or "Nephilim" could be understood as "The fallen ones were on earth in those days...." Since the "sons of God" had virtually lost their faith in their decision to marry the pagan daughters of men, they are fallen from heaven in the sense of losing God's grace. I've already mentioned this.

 

on Jun 25, 2010

Whisper2 posts: 89

Where did the giants come from?

God created the so-called giants....He made all people. They eventually became absorbed into other groups.    

think that you should give up on trying to explain the use of the word giant. Obviously the question can not be answered so it's time to move on.

I think the questions have been sufficiently answered...obviously it's not what you want to hear.

But you are right in that it's time to move on.

God-willing.....tomorrow's another day, another discussion!

on Jun 25, 2010

"I've just quoted Numbers 13:33-34 and it's not only men of great stature...Numbers says they saw the giants, the sons of Anak (Anakim). they seemed as locusts (grasshoppers) next to them!  The Anakim were an aboriginal race of giants..they were tall and huge. I read that the Anakim eventually mixed with the Canaanites before the Israelite invasion."  

So Lulapilgrim, just where did the "aboriginal race of giants" come from?  Considering that Adam and Eve where the first and only humans created by God.    And who are the Anakim?  It's quite obvious that they also aren't the original humans.  You say such things are not possible and "you've seen lots of hollywood movies" what ever that has to do with anything.  I told you once before that I wasn't speaking "hollywood" but apparently you don't listen or you have very short term memory loss.   However then you turn aorund and write  your own bible there are now three species of humans and God created them all.  No where does it say that in any text of the bible and you just can't go around making it up and adding it to suit your purposes.  

 To telll me that "Anakim" is a hebrew word when I just told you that it has it's roots in the Sumerian language and what the root meaning of the word is, which is by the way factual, because according to you the "sumerians worshipped pagan gods" so it must be a "God inspired word" , is just plain out and out ignorant.  The fact is, and it is fact, the sumerian language is the oldest language in the world, far older than hebrew.  You may not like it, but that is the way it is.

on Jun 25, 2010

I think interpreting the sons of God as celestial beings of mythology is bunk.

while I don't take that position either, they do have some good logical reasons why they think it was fallen angels intermarrying and producing offspring and many good bible believing people believe it could be true.   I just assumed the "sons of God" were from Seth's line but now am more inclined (as my husband) to believe it's men who put themselves up as gods doing their own thing, angering the God of heaven in such a way he destroyed the world. 

But again, it's just too puzzling a passage for me to be dogmatic about.  Some things I am dogmatic, not this one. 

Neither the Douay Rheims nor the KJV has "Nephilim" in Numbers 13:33-34

because it's in the Hebrew.  The Hebrew word is Nephilim.  It's translated in your vernacular as "giants." 

The word "giants" is literally Nephilim. 

In Numbers along with the word giant is "sons of Anak."  Which makes it seem as though the Anakim were the giants of their day.  It's quite different with Goliath when it mentions his exact height although I'm sure the Anakim were big people.  Usually back then and even today to some degree tall people are usually considered greater leaders.  There is status in height.  Remember King Saul?  He was very tall and the chosen one to be Israel's king.  He stood head and shoulders over most men.

Recently a man in his 70's who substituted for my bible teacher told us a story about how when he was in the army as a young man they would line them up by height.  The tallest ones were always the leaders.  He was short and never chosen to lead.  He said that's just the way it was.    They can command more attention by being seen easily. 

I think that you should give up on trying to explain the use of the word giant. Obviously the question can not be answered so it's time to move on.

good idea. 

 

on Jun 25, 2010

With all due respect, your post 110 is incoherent but I'll respond as best I can.

Whisper2

To telll me that "Anakim" is a hebrew word when I just told you that it has it's roots in the Sumerian language and what the root meaning of the word is,

If you'll go back, you'll find we were discussing the word "Nephilim".

And you wrote:

The word nephilim has it's roots in the Sumerian language and it means "sons of the gods from the sky or heaven". It would be the Sumerian definition that is the root of the word.

To which I replied:

It may, but we are talking about the word "Nephilim" in Scripture and these passages of Scripture were written in the ancient Hebrew language...and translated ....Genesis and Numbers and 1 and 2 Samuel is God's inspired Word not Sumerian legend or mythology.

 

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just where did the "aboriginal race of giants" come from? Considering that Adam and Eve where the first and only humans created by God. And who are the Anakim? It's quite obvious that they also aren't the original humans. ......However then you turn aorund and write your own bible there are now three species of humans and God created them all.

There is only one human species that has descended from Adam and Eve, the original pair. Over time their descendents formed into different races. The "aboriginal race of giants" mentioned in Scripture are human beings ...are descendents of Adam and Eve most probably going back to Cain's line.

Scripture gives us some detail about the race of giants....Numbers 13:133-34 tells us these "giants" were the sons of Anak meaning they were from the Anakim tribe of people.

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on Jun 25, 2010

I think interpreting the sons of God as celestial beings of mythology is bunk.

while I don't take that position either, they do have some good logical reasons why they think it was fallen angels intermarrying and producing offspring and many good bible believing people believe it could be true.

Well, in this case I can dogmatically say that the "sons of God" were fallen angels who married human women and begot giants is not Biblical truth.

But it is the stuff out of Hollywood and today's video games. 

 

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on Jun 25, 2010

I think that you should give up on trying to explain the use of the word giant.

good idea.

I'll ditto that!

on Jun 25, 2010

Well, in this case I can dogmatically say that the "sons of God" were fallen angels who married human women and begot giants is not Biblical truth.

interesting that one who is of RCC persuasion and tends to believe, in so many what I would call bizarre, visions and such has a problem with this long held position.   Keep in mind I don't take this position but do know of many reputable scholars, past and present who do. 

I guess you must have some special revelation, that many thru the years were not give the privilege of having, in order to be so dogmatic on such a puzzling passage. 

 

on Jun 25, 2010

Whisper2 posts:

(However it is written that God sent cain into the earth, not upon it.)

Since Cain was banished into the earth before Adam and Eve concieived other children,

 

KFC posts:

Nephilim comes from a root meaning "to fall". Evidently they were in the earth before the marriages of 6:2 and were not the offspring of those marriages from which the mighty men (military men) and men of renown (wealth or power).

Whisper2,

You say, "Since Cain was banished into the earth....

What do you mean "into the earth"?

Same question....what do you mean God sent Cain into the earth, not upon it? 

 

 

on Jun 25, 2010

they do have some good logical reasons why they think it was fallen angels intermarrying and producing offspring and many good bible believing people believe it could be true.

KFC,

It's either true or it isn't. Simple as that. 

one who is RCC... has a problem with this long held position.

This long held position is not the correct interpretation of Genesis 6:1-4. Who cares how long held this position has been; it's a wrong long held position.

Neither in Scripture nor in real life have Angels (fallen or otherwise) come to earth and married human women and begat giants. Period.

Protestants believe themselves to be on solid ground becasue they say they believe the Bible and the Bible alone is the pillar and mainstay of Truth.

Yet, according to you, "many good Bible believing people believe it true that fallen angels took human wives and begat children.

If you ever have a conversation with them or any of those reputable scholars who believe this is true, then, in charity you ought to correct them.

Go to the plain sense of Scripture....

Genesis 6:1-4 says the sons of God took wives from the daughters of men. These sons of God were not Angels, but the descendents of Seth while the daughters of men were the carnal and wicked descendents of Cain.

And then apply a smidgeon of reason and common sense.

God's Creation has an order....Angels in the spiritual nature and human beings are in the physical nature. It would be disorder to His Creation for Angels to marry humans and beget offspring.

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interesting that one who is ..RCC ...and tends to believe, in so many what I would call bizarre, visions and such ...
I guess you must have some special revelation, that many thru the years were not give the privilege of having, in order to be so dogmatic on such a puzzling passage.

My guide to understanding the Scriptures is the Catholic Church which according to Scripture is the "pillar and mainstay of truth".

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I only bring this up because you took a whack at Catholicism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Jun 25, 2010

Go to the plain sense of Scripture....

Genesis 6:1-4 says the sons of God took wives from the daughters of men. These sons of God were not Angels, but the descendents of Seth while the daughters of men were the carnal and wicked descendents of Cain.

you haven't even inquired as to why  good Godly scholars thru time believe the "sons of God" could be fallen angels.  You are  way too quick to condemn their belief and dismiss them without all the facts.  That's ignorance. You say you are learning and you want to learn but I find you extremely unteachable. 

"Now there was a day when the "sons of God" came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan came along with them."  Job 1:6

"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."  Job 2:1

"When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"   Job 38:7

in every single instance the "sons of God" were angels.  Not once do you see the "sons of God" for Seth and his line. 

Don't even talk to me about the plain sense of scripture.  You don't adhere to your own words. 

 

on Jun 25, 2010

I know the "sons of God" in Job were fallen angels. I think you already mentioned this.  But here they were doing what fallen angels do....endeavering against Job...trying to tempt and bring down Godly people. It's biblical truth that's what fallen angels do.

However,  with chapter 5 which details Seth's lineage for context, one can only sensibly conclude that the Genesis 6:1-4  "sons of God" are descendents of Seth while the daughters of men were the wicked descendants of Cain. God is showing an opposition here and this opposition between the sons of God (good) and the sons of men (evil) continues to this day and will until the end of the world. 

The sons of God in Job is totally out of the context of the sons of God in Genesis 6. It's not sensible that the sons of God are fallen angels who wed human wives and produce giants.  Wedding human wives and producing children is not what fallen angels do. That's disordering God's Creation.

Fallen angels wedding human wives and producing children is legendary myth, not Scripture.

 

 

 

on Jun 25, 2010

My post was not incoherent Lulapilgrim, you just didn't want to hear what I was saying to you.  You want to believe as you believe, so much so that you can't even be challenged in your beliefs.  You know all the answers and refuse to see that some of your answers are wrong even when it is proved to you.  It's your story and you are sticking to it, no matter what. 

I will tell you once more that the word "nephilim" is not 'GOD GIVEN", it is a word with sumerian roots and used by the sumerians long before the hebrew nation ever existed.  Please try to remember that Abraham came from the city of Ur, which was also as you put it pagan.   You have the right to believe that they were pagan, but you don't have the right to rewrite history.  Nor do you have the right to rewrite the bible since you are not the original author. 

I also told you that the word Anakim was also sumerian and I told you what it meant.  I told you that the meaning of nephilim was "sons of the gods that came from the sky or heaven".  It was perfectly clear and concise.

Angles never came to earth and slept with women?   Just how the heck would you know?  Where you there?  Don't make assumptions about history to which you were not present.  No where in the bible does it say they didn't and in Genesis it reads "The sons of God seeing the daughters of men, that they were fair, took to themselves wives of all which they chose."  Now here's a kicker for you, there are sumerian texts that says the exact same thing.  Bone up on current discoveries and your history before you telll me or anyone that "nephilim" is a "god inspired" word.

Why do I say into the earth?  You try to figure it out according to this passage"  Genesis chapter 4 verse 14  "Behold thou dost cast me out this day from the face of the earth.."  Any questions now?  It sounds like he will not dwell on the face of the earth any longer to me, but then again it could be said that Cain was dwelling on something that faced the earth and the earth could be seen, but heck........that's "holywood" and "science fiction", so you figure it out, and please don't rewrite the bible to do it either.

I've not read all of your posts or KFC's either but when I return I will, but now I must go.

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