A Marriage Made In Paradise
Published on May 14, 2010 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

Last weekend I was asked to speak at a woman's luncheon for Mother's Day.  When I inquired as to what they wished for a subject matter they left it up to me.  So I thought about it for a day or so.  Then I came up with Eve.  Why not?  Afterall she was the mother of us all.  Since I've never heard a Mother's Day Sermon on this topic I decided I'd tackle it myself.   

Woman are important to God and He makes that very clear thru His written Word.  Even so, the message gets clouded by the cultures.  In the Eastern culture we know that women are surpressed.  In the Western culture women are aggressive and domineering more than ever.  During the days of Christ the Jews kept their women as subservient.  I heard that that it's written about the Torah that it would be better to burn it than to teach it to women! 

But what does the bible say about woman's role in society?  What is their purpose?  Jesus did much to elevate women during His time on earth and they loved Him.  It was to a woman He first announced He was the Messiah.  It was to women He first revealed Himself as risen from the dead.  He delivered at least one woman from unjust justice. 

Women were used mightily by God.  I think of Rahab who God used to save two spies facing sure death as a result if caught.  I think of Miriam who was a prophetess and ministered alongside her brother Moses.  Deborah was a judge and leader who was chosen to deliver God's people during the terrible days of the Judges.  Esther helped save her people, the Jews, from sure extermination and Lydia was a business woman who was instrumental in starting a first century church out of her home. 

So we come to Eve.  We know very little of this first lady.  We do know she was God's final creative work in the first week.  She was also a companion for Adam.  But there's more. 

Everything started out well in the garden although it didn't end that way thanks to Eve and her husband.  Eve led her husband into direct violation of God's revealed will to them.  So they were banished from Paradise.  She is a very human portraid of falling into sin but also of picking up the faith afterwards. 

She was created for a unique role in creation.  She was to minister to Adam and with Adam being his help-mate.  She was designed to complete him as well as assist him.  We read this in Genesis 1:26-28:

"And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.  So God created man in his own image in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.  And God blessed them and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 

Did you see the word "them?"  This was for both of them. A job for two.  These things were too great for them to do alone.  We see a few things about God's purposes for mankind here. 

1.  To be like Him; to reflect God's image in creation.  It took both of them to do this.  We think of God as a He and that pronoun is used but it takes both man and woman to accurately reflect God's image.  We think of God as mighty, powerful, just, logical, strong, etc. but He's also depicted in scripture as loving, tenderhearted, merciful, gracious etc.  We see both male and female characteristics in Him. 

2.  They were to rule over creation.  They were given authority over all the earth.  Together.

3.  They were to reproduce; be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.  Together.

So zooming in on Eve let's look at why she was created.  What is her purpose for being created?  Gen 2:18-22:

"And the Lord said It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper for him.  And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every fowl of the air and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them and whatsoever Adam called every living creature that was the name.  And Adam gave names to all cattle and to the fowl of the air and to every beast of the field but for Adam there was not found a helper for him.  And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept and he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh.  And the rib which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman and brought her to the man." 

1.  Adam was not complete by himself.

2.  It was not good.  Even in Paradise something was not good.  Seven times, it was mentioned in the first chapter after God created, God said that "it was good" until we get here to 2:18 which says "it was not good." 

3.  Man was completed with need.  He was created incomplete.  He was made complete with Eve. 

4.  She was to be a helper suitable for him. 

Looking a bit further we can see some principles for the marriage relationship right here that brought this first couple together in Holy Matrimony. 

Genesis 2:23-24

"And Adam said this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh she shall be called Woman because she was taken out of Man.  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh."

We see that God brought Eve to Adam.  It wasn't Adam's job to find a mate which makes me wonder looking around today at all the broken marriages.  How many consulted God in the choosing of their mate?   What would it have been like if they did?  God know more than we do so why don't we ask Him first?  

Unlike the animals she was like him.  She was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.  She was perfect for him.  The relationship necessitated him to leave his mother and father.  Obviously this was meant for future generations because these two were a special first couple with no parents.  This marriage required cleaving and the Hebrew word implies "to be joined by commitment."   Marriage is a commitment not a feeling or an emotion.  We need to stick it out, stay together and work things out as much as possible with us. 

Marriage results in being one together.  This one flesh points to the physical body but in principle also includes all that a person is; mind, emotions, will etc.  One cares for the other as one would care for oneself. 

And marriage results in nakedness without shame.  They had no shame.  They were naked and it was good.  This, again, goes beyond the physical.  We need to be open and up front with each other.  There should be no hiding, no secrets from each other. 

So everything started out well.  Until Eve was tempted.  Then everything changed.  She entered into a discussion with a serpent.  Is it no wonder women and snakes don't get along today?  We'll start there next time.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Jul 08, 2010

This is the same with baptism for us in the NT in that we are identified with Christ in baptism. We are making a statement. It doesn't save us or wash any sin away.

So to you, in St. Matt. 28: 16-20 when Christ gave His Apostles and disciples the authority and power and commanded them to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit....that was just them making a statement? 

In St.Mark 16:16, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned." So to you, when we are baptized is just us making a statement?

So to you, when St.Peter in Acts preached, converted and baptized 3,000 Jews into Christianity, that was him just making a statement?

This is the same with baptism for us in the NT in that we are identified with Christ in baptism. We are making a statement. It doesn't save us or wash any sin away.

And your saying all this shows you don't know Scripture or anything about Baptism and its effects. 

 

Acts. 2:37-38 tells us of the Baptisms of the 3,000 after hearing St.Peter, "Now when they had heard this, they were cut ot the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the Apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?" ANd Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized, every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (that gift of the Holy Spirit was infused sanctifying grace upon their souls for the remission of their sins).

 

 

on Jul 09, 2010

So Baptism is a work in your mind??? At Baptism, the Holy Spirit infuses sanctifying grace into the soul cleanses sins (Original and actual) from it and generates new life, or re-birth.

Yes, as soon as you do anything it's a work.  It's not of us.  You totally ignore Eph 2:8-9.  It's of God.  You did nothing the first time to be born, you do nothing the second time to be born.  It's outside of yourself.  It's all God.  What you wrote above is RCC theology..not biblical theology.  There's a diff. 

We are dead in our sins.  How can we be born again by ourselves? What can a dead man do?   We need someone to give us CPR or we remain lifeless.  Just as God breathed into Adam to give him life, so too does God breathed into us to give us spiritual life.  Our first ACT of obedience should be to be water baptized..but that's AFTER we are made alive (born again)  to do so.

I told you Lula, I'm not going down this path again.   We've been around and around it.  I know how much you cling to certain scriptures and ignore the majority or explain it away.  I'm tired of dealing with it. 

Believe what you want.  It's not biblical but you can believe it if you want to. 

I suggest you go back and read John 3:16 very carefully.  Go back to basics.   It doesn't say.."For God so loved the world that whosoever believes and is baptised will have eternal life."   It's always about belief.  Never about water baptism.  NEVER. 

btw Mark 16:9-20 do not appear in two of the most trustworthy manuscripts of the NT.  The abrupt ending at v8 is probably because the original closing verses were lost.  The doubtful genuiness of verses 9-20 make it unwise to build a doctrine on it. 

and I've told you this before...if you still want to build a case using 16:16 it is unbelief, not failure to be baptized that condemns.  Water baptism does not save.  Peter made that quite clear himself in his own letter 3:21. 

You are doing exactly what the woman at the well did...what Nicodemus did, what the Pharisees did...you are looking at the physical and not the spiritual.  It's the spirit that gives life..not the physical.  "For by one SPIRIT ARE WE ALL BAPTIZED into one body."  You know this verse well.  it's NOT talking about the water.  We NEVER have to be water baptized to be saved.  What is important is that we're baptized by the spirit. 

There's really nothing more for me to say.  I've been down this road with you so many times.  You are forever learning but not coming to the knowledge of the truth.  It's man's truth you hold to.  Not God's. 

 

 

 

 

on Jul 09, 2010

So Baptism is a work in your mind??? At Baptism, the Holy Spirit infuses sanctifying grace into the soul cleanses sins (Original and actual) from it and generates new life, or re-birth.

KFC posts:

Yes, as soon as you do anything it's a work.

Please explain exactly how is Baptism man's work? And remember St.Matt. 28:16:19. Why then did Christ mandate that His disciples make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.? 

Didn't I just write that it's the Holy Spirit that infuses the gift of grace into the soul at Baptism and generates new life? I never looked at Baptism as a work, but if Baptism is a work, then it is clearly the Holy Spirit who is doing the work.

We are dead in our sins.

Yes that's true. We are born with Original Sin on our soul which makes us spiritually dead.  But when we are Baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit infuses sanctifying grace into our soul and Original sin and any other sins are washed away. Remember, St.Peter preached, "Repent, and be baptized, every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

KFC posts:

How can we be born again by ourselves?

We can't and we are not "born again" by ourselves...at Baptism, we are born again (given new life) by the "work" of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit infuses sanctifying grace into our soul and gives us new life. At Baptism, the Holy Spirit, removes sin by infusing sanctifying grace.

We need someone to give us CPR or we remain lifeless.

Right...CPR would be Baptism as I have already outlined.

 

 

on Jul 09, 2010

I suggest you go back and read John 3:16 very carefully. Go back to basics. It doesn't say.."For God so loved the world that whosoever believes and is baptised will have eternal life." It's always about belief. Never about water baptism. NEVER.

St.John 3:16 supports St.Matt. 28:19 and St.Mark 16:16 as well as Acts 2:38. If it were as you say "never about Baptism. Never" then Christ would not have mandated that all nations be baptized and St.Peter would not have preached to be baptized for the forgiveness of sins and St.Mark would not have infallibly written he who believes and is baptized will be saved. But they did, KFC and that's what you must reconcile your present erroneous beliefs with.

Our first ACT of obedience should be to be water baptized..but that's AFTER we are made alive (born again) to do so.

Your error is that you believe Baptism and being born again are two separate events. For you being born again is when you make your initial profession of faith in Christ.

Catholics believe we are born again at Baptism...it's that important and why Christ mandated and ordained it. See below.

KFC posts:

This is the same with baptism for us in the NT in that we are identified with Christ in baptism. We are making a statement.

So according to you, your first act of obedience is Baptism which is just "making a statement". Wow! (so that's why you think Baptism is man's work.)

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KFC posts:

Believe what you want.

Just for the record, this is what I believe of Baptism and since you're tired of dealing with it, I'll say no more after this.

In 1St.Peter 1:23, St.Peter addresses Christians as those "who have been born anew."  Here St.Peter is echoing the words of Jesus who tells Nicodemus, "No one can see the kingdom of GOd without being born again."  Jesus' reply is criticial for understanding what being born again means. 

And that takes us to St.John 3:5, where Jesus said,  " Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." this refers to Baptism when the person is washed with water and receives the Holy Spirit for the remission of sins. Right after Pentecost, St.Peter confirms this. Acts 2:38.

We are born with Original Sin on our soul. The new birth which is the beginning of new life in Christ, must come about after the death of the "old self" that is the one burdened with Original Sin as well as other actual sins. The person who thus "dies" is "absolved from sin" Rom. 6:7.

This death leading to new life comes about through the absolution or remission of sins in Baptism. "Are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death. We are indeed buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life." Rom. 6:3-4. 

To be "born again" or "born anew" is to be baptized. In Baptism, through "water and Spirit", the soul is washed clean, the "old self" is buried, and the new life in Christ begins. Since every Catholic has been baptized, every Catholic has indeed been born again, and is called to grow in grace (become holy) with the help of the Holy Spirit.

on Jul 09, 2010

In St.Mark 16:16, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned."

Here is St.Mark 16:9-20,

9 But he rising early the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalen, out of whom he had cast seven devils. 10 She went and told them that had been with him, who were mourning and weeping.

11 And they hearing that he was alive, and had been seen by her, did not believe. 12 And after that he appeared in another shape to two of them walking, as they were going into the country. 13 And they going told it to the rest: neither did they believe them. 14 At length he appeared to the eleven as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. 15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name they shall cast out devils: they shall speak with new tongues. 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they shall drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them: they shall lay their hands upon the sick, and they shall recover. 19 And the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God. 20 But they going forth preached everywhere: the Lord working withal, and confirming the word with signs that followed.

 

btw Mark 16:9-20 do not appear in two of the most trustworthy manuscripts of the NT. The abrupt ending at v8 is probably because the original closing verses were lost. The doubtful genuiness of verses 9-20 make it unwise to build a doctrine on it.

You know KFC, the original closing verses weren't lost otherwise they would not be in the other trustworthy versions like my Douay Rheims. It's more like some authorities purposefully omitted verses 9-20. 

All of these verses from 9-20 have corroborating verses in the other Gospels. For example, verse 12, our Lord's appearanc to these two disciples is reported more fully by St.Luke 24:13-35.

Verse 15 contains the universal apostolic mandate parallelled by St.Matt. 28:19-20 and St.Luke 24:46-48. This is an imperative command from Christ to His Apostles to preach the Gospel to the whole world until the end of the world.

Verse 16 teaches as a consequence of the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, faith and baptism are indispensable prerequisites for attaining salvation.

Verse 19 is concerning our Lord's Ascension into Heaven.

And this is what you call doubtful genuineness and unwise to build a doctrine on it? C'mon???

on Jul 10, 2010

There is a lot of reading here and I've not read it all my apologies.  I shall try to read it later.  I did read KFC's post about grace however.  I will respond to your's in your topic later Lulapilgrim.

So you really think that you lead others to Jesus KFC?  My you give yourself more power than you are entitled to.  No one leads anyone to anyone else unless it's against their will.  There is something called choice, ever hear of it?  It seems to me that Jesus is pretty much known to the modern world except of course to a few outlying areas that are really isolated, even then people choose.  You can tell them about Jesus but you can't lead them to him.  That is their coice alone, not yours.

on Jul 10, 2010

So you really think that you lead others to Jesus KFC?

Yes.  Not everyone who I speak to but yes, given the opportunity that's what I'm supposed to do.  We are to go and tell and make disciples.  Spread the seed.  We are God's ambassadors.  That's why God sends us out.... to teach, reach, serve and then send out.  That's how the gospel spreads. 

You can tell them about Jesus but you can't lead them to him.

it's the same thing...you're arguing semantics.  Telling someone about Jesus is in fact bringing him to Jesus.  Opening up the WORD to them is introducing them to the King of Kings. 

 Of course like they say you can lead a horse to the water but not make him drink applies here.  I can bring them to the throne, open up the word of God to them, introducing them to God but then it's between them and God.  My job is done. 

 

 

on Jul 12, 2010

No, it's not the same word KFC.  Lead and show are two different expressions.  Lead means to take someone somewhere, show means to show them something.  Nope not a splitting of semantics. 

"We are to go and tell and make many disciples?"  Who's we?  And if you don't walk the path what makes you think that you are qualified to make many disciples?  What can you show them, except perhaps tell your meaning of what scripture says?  Most already know of Jesus, and if they want to know more then they can read in the bible about Jesus to learn more.  What specifically can you give them that they can not find for themselves?

How can you say that you can bring them to the throne of God?  Have you seen God's throne for yourself, do you even know how to get there? Unless one walks the path that leads there one will never see anything.  Faith can not do that for one, faith opens no one's eyes unless they combine it with effort.  And I would ask you again the question that you seem to deliberately ignore, why can't you see that heaven is all around you?

on Jul 12, 2010

why can't you see that heaven is all around you?

this is not heaven.  What are you talking about?  Christ himself said "my kingdom is no part of this world." 

There's a saying that goes something like this "this world is the only heaven that unbelievers will ever know and the only hell believers will know." 

So yes, for unbelievers this is heaven.  For believers we're still waiting for Christ to come back and take us there. 

"In my father's house are many mansions, if it were not so I would have told you.  I go to prepare a place for you.  I will come again and receive you to myself that where I am, you can be also."   John 14:2-3

Also Whisper there's a difference between one who knows about Jesus and one who really knows Him.  There are many who are convinced He was who He said He was but doesn't necessarily mean they were converted.  Convinced maybe, but not converted and there's a world of diff between the two. 

Like Lula likes to quote...even Satan and His demons know about Christ. 

Consider this...it was the demons who were the first ones on the alert at the birth of Christ.  The demons wanting to destroy Him as soon as possible before the world even knew about Him!

 

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