A Marriage Made In Paradise
Published on May 14, 2010 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

Last weekend I was asked to speak at a woman's luncheon for Mother's Day.  When I inquired as to what they wished for a subject matter they left it up to me.  So I thought about it for a day or so.  Then I came up with Eve.  Why not?  Afterall she was the mother of us all.  Since I've never heard a Mother's Day Sermon on this topic I decided I'd tackle it myself.   

Woman are important to God and He makes that very clear thru His written Word.  Even so, the message gets clouded by the cultures.  In the Eastern culture we know that women are surpressed.  In the Western culture women are aggressive and domineering more than ever.  During the days of Christ the Jews kept their women as subservient.  I heard that that it's written about the Torah that it would be better to burn it than to teach it to women! 

But what does the bible say about woman's role in society?  What is their purpose?  Jesus did much to elevate women during His time on earth and they loved Him.  It was to a woman He first announced He was the Messiah.  It was to women He first revealed Himself as risen from the dead.  He delivered at least one woman from unjust justice. 

Women were used mightily by God.  I think of Rahab who God used to save two spies facing sure death as a result if caught.  I think of Miriam who was a prophetess and ministered alongside her brother Moses.  Deborah was a judge and leader who was chosen to deliver God's people during the terrible days of the Judges.  Esther helped save her people, the Jews, from sure extermination and Lydia was a business woman who was instrumental in starting a first century church out of her home. 

So we come to Eve.  We know very little of this first lady.  We do know she was God's final creative work in the first week.  She was also a companion for Adam.  But there's more. 

Everything started out well in the garden although it didn't end that way thanks to Eve and her husband.  Eve led her husband into direct violation of God's revealed will to them.  So they were banished from Paradise.  She is a very human portraid of falling into sin but also of picking up the faith afterwards. 

She was created for a unique role in creation.  She was to minister to Adam and with Adam being his help-mate.  She was designed to complete him as well as assist him.  We read this in Genesis 1:26-28:

"And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.  So God created man in his own image in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.  And God blessed them and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 

Did you see the word "them?"  This was for both of them. A job for two.  These things were too great for them to do alone.  We see a few things about God's purposes for mankind here. 

1.  To be like Him; to reflect God's image in creation.  It took both of them to do this.  We think of God as a He and that pronoun is used but it takes both man and woman to accurately reflect God's image.  We think of God as mighty, powerful, just, logical, strong, etc. but He's also depicted in scripture as loving, tenderhearted, merciful, gracious etc.  We see both male and female characteristics in Him. 

2.  They were to rule over creation.  They were given authority over all the earth.  Together.

3.  They were to reproduce; be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.  Together.

So zooming in on Eve let's look at why she was created.  What is her purpose for being created?  Gen 2:18-22:

"And the Lord said It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper for him.  And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every fowl of the air and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them and whatsoever Adam called every living creature that was the name.  And Adam gave names to all cattle and to the fowl of the air and to every beast of the field but for Adam there was not found a helper for him.  And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept and he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh.  And the rib which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman and brought her to the man." 

1.  Adam was not complete by himself.

2.  It was not good.  Even in Paradise something was not good.  Seven times, it was mentioned in the first chapter after God created, God said that "it was good" until we get here to 2:18 which says "it was not good." 

3.  Man was completed with need.  He was created incomplete.  He was made complete with Eve. 

4.  She was to be a helper suitable for him. 

Looking a bit further we can see some principles for the marriage relationship right here that brought this first couple together in Holy Matrimony. 

Genesis 2:23-24

"And Adam said this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh she shall be called Woman because she was taken out of Man.  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh."

We see that God brought Eve to Adam.  It wasn't Adam's job to find a mate which makes me wonder looking around today at all the broken marriages.  How many consulted God in the choosing of their mate?   What would it have been like if they did?  God know more than we do so why don't we ask Him first?  

Unlike the animals she was like him.  She was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.  She was perfect for him.  The relationship necessitated him to leave his mother and father.  Obviously this was meant for future generations because these two were a special first couple with no parents.  This marriage required cleaving and the Hebrew word implies "to be joined by commitment."   Marriage is a commitment not a feeling or an emotion.  We need to stick it out, stay together and work things out as much as possible with us. 

Marriage results in being one together.  This one flesh points to the physical body but in principle also includes all that a person is; mind, emotions, will etc.  One cares for the other as one would care for oneself. 

And marriage results in nakedness without shame.  They had no shame.  They were naked and it was good.  This, again, goes beyond the physical.  We need to be open and up front with each other.  There should be no hiding, no secrets from each other. 

So everything started out well.  Until Eve was tempted.  Then everything changed.  She entered into a discussion with a serpent.  Is it no wonder women and snakes don't get along today?  We'll start there next time.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Jul 07, 2010

@ Lula...

back to the holier than thou discussion 

You say Mary and Stephen were made perfect and they had no sin.  I say, there's a greek word for that.  It's balogna. 

What if I said I believe Joseph and Daniel were "more perfect" or holier than your two?  Remember they are two major characters in scripture where there is nothing bad said about them.  You can even point to where Mary was wrong on occasion but you can't with Daniel and Joseph. 

Also.  Think about Job:  This was said about Job:

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil.
Job 1:1

That wasn't said about Mary or Stephen.  Where does it say they were blameless and upright?  Or how about Moses?  Being blameless and upright doesn't mean without sin since the bible is clear that "all have sinned,"  "all have gone astray." 

"And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unot Moses whom the Lord knew face to face."  Deut 34:10

"Now the man Moses was very meek above all the men which were upon the face of the earth."  Num 12:3

or how about David who is was said "was a man after God's own heart?

or how about Noah?  "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord."  Gen 6:8

None of these great people (including the two you cited) were without sin.  Not one was "holier" than another.  They were all chosen for the work of God.  He had a specific purpose for them and they rose to the occasion.  All of them.  We are no different.  God expects us to follow him when He calls us.  He gives us each gifts and abilities and expects that we use them.  Remember what Jesus said "the last shall be first and the first shall be last?" 

Not one of these great men/women of the faith lorded it over each other or anybody.  They humbly knew they were where they were by the grace of God. 

That's how we are to be.  That's how we are to approach any ministry we are given.  Not high and lifted up because as God says, the proud will fall but the humble will be lifted up.  It's not the great and mighty things of this world but the lowly and meek that are most important in the eyes of God. 

 

 

 

on Jul 07, 2010

you have but every time I dare mention that we are saved by faith (alone) or imply it in any small way you jump on the works bandwagon.

St.James refutes your saved by faith alone bandwagon.  If you call citing St.James 2:14-26 jumping on the works bandwagon, then I guess I'm guilty as charged!

Works are important. Got that. It's just not a component necessary for salvation.

KFC,

 According to St.James works are very important and necessary for salvation. Here St.James "works" are of the New Covenant of Grace.

In contrast, St. Paul taught that becasue we are redeemed by Christ's Cross,  the "works" of the Old Law are not necessary for salvation.

 

 

on Jul 07, 2010

According to St.James works are very important and necessary for salvation. Here St.James "works" are of the New Covenant of Grace.

no, James is saying that works are evidence of your faith.  No works...no faith.  Simple.   If you have faith, you'd have works to show for it.  If you have no works..then your faith must be dead.  An alive faith will have works attached. 

It's like the fruit tree Jesus was speaking about in John 15.  A good tree is going to produce good fruit.  If we are attached to Christ (he is the vine we are the branches) then our branches are going to produce fruit. 

We are saved by faith alone but our faith is never alone. 

That's why I keep bringing up certain scriptures like Eph 2:8-9 because it contradicts your position.  Scripture is very clear that WE ARE NOT saved by works but by the work of Christ.  It's His work, not our own.  We need a Savior outside of ourself.  If it were as you say then surely God could have arranged some other way than having his own son crucified.  You're putting too much emphasis on works and not enough on faith. 

so to rephrase...Works ARE very important BUT are NOT necessaary for salvation because it's not our works that save us but Christ's. 

also..for HW..go over and read John 1:13 very carefully and compare with James 1:18.  Notice what it says about our salvation.

 

 

on Jul 07, 2010

Not one of these great men/women of the faith lorded it over each other or anybody. They humbly knew they were where they were by the grace of God.

Absolutely agree.

You call them great. I call them great and holy. All these holy people in the Bible were very humble. 

They are models of the other virtues such as chastity, meekness, temperance and brotherly love as well.

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None of these great people (including the two you cited) were without sin. Not one was "holier" than another.

I disagree.

The Blessed Mother of Christ was without sin from the moment of her conception in her mother Anne's womb. She received a superabundance of God's grace from the moment of her conception. Jesus could never have been in the tabernacle of her womb had she been under the effect of original sin or actual sin. Of all of God's creation, because she was to be the Mother of Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary is the only exception; she was always "full of grace".

But we've already discussed this up, down and all around, and it boils down to us having a completely different understanding of grace as well as the effects of grace upon the soul. 

Grace is the antithesis to sin and I'll explain further in my blog.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Jul 07, 2010

According to St.James works are very important and necessary for salvation. Here St.James "works" are of the New Covenant of Grace.

no, James is saying that works are evidence of your faith.

St.James is teaching both our faith in Christ and doing good works are necessary for salvation. Faith alone doesn't get it and works alone doesn't get it.  

St.James is teaching good works are necessary because without them faith is dead. He proves this by teaching  that even demons believe in God (have faith alone).

We are saved by faith alone but our faith is never alone.

This is a catchy little phrase, but it's incorrect. Even demons believe but they are not saved by faith alone.

Scripture is very clear that WE ARE NOT saved by works but by the work of Christ. It's His work, not our own. We need a Savior outside of ourself. If it were as you say then surely God could have arranged some other way than having his own son crucified.

I absolutely agree that we are not saved by our works...and that we need a Savior outside of ourselves.

But you have redemption and salvation mixed up.

Scripture is very clear that we are redeemed by the work of Christ, not that we are saved.  Rather with the generous gift of God's grace through the merits of Christ's Cross, we are to make a genuine effort to work out our salvation.  St.Paul tells us so...THerefore my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now....with fear and trembling work out your salvation. For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish according to His good will." Phil. 2: 12-13.

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Jul 07, 2010

also..for HW..go over and read John 1:13 very carefully and compare with James 1:18. Notice what it says about our salvation.

Not sure where you are going with this. St.John 1:12-13 speaks of being made the sons of God...that's done through the supernatural graces given by the Holy Spirit at Baptism...where original sin and actual sin is washed away and we are given new life in Christ.  

Interestingly, link St.John 1:12-13 with Phil. 2:14-15

After being told by St.Paul to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, he goes on and says, "Do all things without grumbling or questioning, that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world."

At Baptism, our rebirth is by the gift of sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit.  It is a  generation of a supernatural life and a thorough inner renewal and real sanctification 1Cor. 6:11. The soul becomes beautiful and holy. Should we die in this state of grace, becasue our soul is holy it can be admitted to heaven, where nothing unclean is allowed.

 

 

on Jul 07, 2010

"No works...no faith. Simple. If you have faith, you'd have works to show for it. If you have no works..then your faith must be dead. An alive faith will have works attached."

What sort of works do you define as"'works based in faith"?

on Jul 07, 2010

"The wages of sin is death.  Yes.  We sin.  We die.  Pretty simple.  Since we all sin, we can all expect death...except...."

Are you talking about the physical death here, or are you speaking of "the death"? 

on Jul 08, 2010

Interesting answers both of you, and as interesting as they are, they are just as contrary.

You've spoken of grace, but you've not explained what grace is. All that I've gotten from both of you is that grace exists. From one, it was a gift given by Jesus that washes away all sin, past, present and future, just for believing in Jesus's existance. From the other, it must be earned and there are varying degrees of it, and it is something real that it adorns the soul, making it pleasing to God. Wasn't the soul that God originally gave to man, pleasing in it's own right? Or are you telling me that God gave man a soul that really didn't please God?

What I want to know is what it is, how it is obtained, because according to revelations not everyone will posess it, and the steps that are necessary to take that will lead one to it. As Jesus said there would be many that shall say that they knew him, but Jesus will deny that they ever did. In other words is faith in the existance of the man enough?

Whisper2,

Since I would like to respond to your comment in depth I shall do so on my blog concerning grace that I referred in post 157.

 

 

 

 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

I shall read your topic Lulapilgrim.

on Jul 08, 2010

This is a catchy little phrase, but it's incorrect. Even demons believe but they are not saved by faith alone.

demons are NOT SAVED...PERIOD!  What the heck?

Do you know the diff between being convinced that Jesus is who he says he is and being truly converted?  In the book of John it says quite often, "many believed on him"  but guess what?  They did not have a saving knowledge.  They were convinced he was something special, supernatural, but they were not converted.  Big diff.  That's why Jesus said there will be many doing good deeds working their way in, but he'll say he neve knew them. 

But you have redemption and salvation mixed up.

I do?   Redemption and salvation is the same thing Lula.  He has redeemed us.  He has saved us.  Same thing.  It's his work, not ours. 

Lula, can't you see how you contradict yourself?   You said this:

I absolutely agree that we are not saved by our works...and that we need a Savior outside of ourselves.

then you say this: 

According to St.James works are very important and necessary for salvation. Here St.James "works" are of the New Covenant of Grace.

that's what happens when you don't have a good grasp on the scripture. 

So which is it?  Are we saved by our works or not?  Did you read the HW I gave you?  It's very clear, it's not our work, not the will of man but OF GOD.   

 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

What sort of works do you define as"'works based in faith"?

anything that gives glory to God.  God gifts and enables us each differently.  We are to use the gifts and talents he's enables us with for the good of the kingdom.  Are we bringing people to Christ as a result of what he's given to us?  For some that is teaching, for others it's serving, for others it's Pastoring, for others it's hospitality, for others it's giving financially because you have it to give, etc.  Everything we do should point to the one who saved us.  It's a genuine heartfelt way of saying thanks be to God for saving our soul from eternal damnation. 

The wages of sin is death. Yes. We sin. We die. Pretty simple. Since we all sin, we can all expect death...except...."

Are you talking about the physical death here, or are you speaking of "the death"?

The wages of sin is death.  It means spiritual death but it can mean physical as well.  If you drink heavily you can die physically of alcholism.  If you have unprotected sex nowadays you may die physically of aids. 

But the real interpretation is spiritual death.  Unless you're born again spiritually, you will die in your sins.  John 8. 

Born once, die twice (both physically and spiritually.

Born twice, die once (only physically but live forever spiritually)

 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

Not sure where you are going with this. St.John 1:12-13 speaks of being made the sons of God...that's done through the supernatural graces given by the Holy Spirit at Baptism.

see how you're bringing works into it?  Where does it say baptism in 1:13?  or in v12  or in James 1;18 for that matter?

The only thing I see in v12 is belief.  Not baptism.  It's belief that brings us to salvation, not baptism.  That's what I keep saying.  The new birth comes directly from God with NO outside help from ourselves. 

We can't will it (by the will of the flesh).  We can't inherit it (by blood).  It only comes from God. 

the highlighted is coming directly from your RCC and is not biblical.  It's part and parcel of the fear tactic the RCC has been using for centuries. 

That's what my whole blog on Abraham was about.  Abraham was SAVED way before he was circumcised.  He was SAVED by faith alone.  The works came AFTER.  Circumcision was part of the OT covenant and identified him with God of the OT.  This is the same with baptism for us in the NT in that we are identified with Christ in baptism.  We are making a statement.  It doesn't save us or wash any sin away.  Our sins don't get washed away by water.  Peter wrote about that.   He cleanses us BY THE WORD...not by water that we dip ourselves into.  It's spiritual, not physical. 

"now you are clean through the word which I have spoken to you."  John 15:3

"sanctify them through thy truth; thy word is truth."  17:17

"Being BORN AGAIN not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible BY THE WORD OF GOD which lives and abides forever."  1 Peter 1:22

We are made alive by the Word of God...not by any water. 

Three elements are ALWAYS in play during EVERY salvation. 

1.  The WORD

2.  The soul winner

3.  The Holy Spirit.

That's it.  Water is not an essential to salvation as the RCC has been teaching you. That's fear they are teaching. 

 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

KFC posts:

I believe we are saved by faith alone

you have but every time I dare mention that we are saved by faith (alone) or imply it in any small way you jump on the works bandwagon.

that's what happens when you don't have a good grasp on the scripture.

You seem to be the one who doesn't have a good grasp on Scripture. Your belief that you are saved by faith alone clearly contradicts the Scriptures. 

Four passages come to mind.

You've tried to dodge and talk all around it, but St.James 2: 14-29 clearly refutes your belief.

So does St.Paul in Romans 8:24, "We are saved by hope." and also 1Cor. 13:2, " If I have all faith so as to move mountians and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."We see here besides Faith in Christ, we must have charity, that is love Him with our whole heart, soul and mind. Christ said, "If you love Me, keep my commandments."

Divine Faith is the beginning and foundation for attaining salvation but there are other conditions as well. St. Mark 16:16 teaches one. "He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned."  Like it or not, besides good works for love of God and neighbor (the supernatural virtue of Charity), Baptism is also an absolute necessity for salvation. 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

Lula posts:

Not sure where you are going with this. St.John 1:12-13 speaks of being made the sons of God...that's done through the supernatural graces given by the Holy Spirit at Baptism.

KFC posts:

Where does it say baptism in 1:13? or in v12 or in James 1;18 for that matter?

I already answered that....those passages are concerning sons or children of God, and it's by our baptism that we are made sons of God, that is we are adopted into His family and made heirs to heaven. 

see how you're bringing works into it?

So Baptism is a work in your mind???  At Baptism, the Holy Spirit infuses sanctifying grace into the soul cleanses sins (Original and actual) from it and generates new life, or re-birth. 

In my mind, good works are acts of charity of serving and loving God and our neighbor. The most eminent good works are prayers, alms-deeds, and fasting.

The only thing I see in v12 is belief. Not baptism. It's belief that brings us to salvation, not baptism. That's what I keep saying. The new birth comes directly from God with NO outside help from ourselves.

As far as verse 12, you better look again this time at the entire passage. "But to all who received HIm, who believed in His name, He gave the power to become children of God." Verse 13 expalins that power which comes through the Holy Spirit at Baptism...."Who were born (re-born) not of blood  nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 

What you write in the highlighted part directly contradicts St.Mark 16:16. "He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned."

 

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