A Marriage Made In Paradise
Published on May 14, 2010 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

Last weekend I was asked to speak at a woman's luncheon for Mother's Day.  When I inquired as to what they wished for a subject matter they left it up to me.  So I thought about it for a day or so.  Then I came up with Eve.  Why not?  Afterall she was the mother of us all.  Since I've never heard a Mother's Day Sermon on this topic I decided I'd tackle it myself.   

Woman are important to God and He makes that very clear thru His written Word.  Even so, the message gets clouded by the cultures.  In the Eastern culture we know that women are surpressed.  In the Western culture women are aggressive and domineering more than ever.  During the days of Christ the Jews kept their women as subservient.  I heard that that it's written about the Torah that it would be better to burn it than to teach it to women! 

But what does the bible say about woman's role in society?  What is their purpose?  Jesus did much to elevate women during His time on earth and they loved Him.  It was to a woman He first announced He was the Messiah.  It was to women He first revealed Himself as risen from the dead.  He delivered at least one woman from unjust justice. 

Women were used mightily by God.  I think of Rahab who God used to save two spies facing sure death as a result if caught.  I think of Miriam who was a prophetess and ministered alongside her brother Moses.  Deborah was a judge and leader who was chosen to deliver God's people during the terrible days of the Judges.  Esther helped save her people, the Jews, from sure extermination and Lydia was a business woman who was instrumental in starting a first century church out of her home. 

So we come to Eve.  We know very little of this first lady.  We do know she was God's final creative work in the first week.  She was also a companion for Adam.  But there's more. 

Everything started out well in the garden although it didn't end that way thanks to Eve and her husband.  Eve led her husband into direct violation of God's revealed will to them.  So they were banished from Paradise.  She is a very human portraid of falling into sin but also of picking up the faith afterwards. 

She was created for a unique role in creation.  She was to minister to Adam and with Adam being his help-mate.  She was designed to complete him as well as assist him.  We read this in Genesis 1:26-28:

"And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.  So God created man in his own image in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.  And God blessed them and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 

Did you see the word "them?"  This was for both of them. A job for two.  These things were too great for them to do alone.  We see a few things about God's purposes for mankind here. 

1.  To be like Him; to reflect God's image in creation.  It took both of them to do this.  We think of God as a He and that pronoun is used but it takes both man and woman to accurately reflect God's image.  We think of God as mighty, powerful, just, logical, strong, etc. but He's also depicted in scripture as loving, tenderhearted, merciful, gracious etc.  We see both male and female characteristics in Him. 

2.  They were to rule over creation.  They were given authority over all the earth.  Together.

3.  They were to reproduce; be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.  Together.

So zooming in on Eve let's look at why she was created.  What is her purpose for being created?  Gen 2:18-22:

"And the Lord said It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper for him.  And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every fowl of the air and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them and whatsoever Adam called every living creature that was the name.  And Adam gave names to all cattle and to the fowl of the air and to every beast of the field but for Adam there was not found a helper for him.  And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept and he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh.  And the rib which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman and brought her to the man." 

1.  Adam was not complete by himself.

2.  It was not good.  Even in Paradise something was not good.  Seven times, it was mentioned in the first chapter after God created, God said that "it was good" until we get here to 2:18 which says "it was not good." 

3.  Man was completed with need.  He was created incomplete.  He was made complete with Eve. 

4.  She was to be a helper suitable for him. 

Looking a bit further we can see some principles for the marriage relationship right here that brought this first couple together in Holy Matrimony. 

Genesis 2:23-24

"And Adam said this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh she shall be called Woman because she was taken out of Man.  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh."

We see that God brought Eve to Adam.  It wasn't Adam's job to find a mate which makes me wonder looking around today at all the broken marriages.  How many consulted God in the choosing of their mate?   What would it have been like if they did?  God know more than we do so why don't we ask Him first?  

Unlike the animals she was like him.  She was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.  She was perfect for him.  The relationship necessitated him to leave his mother and father.  Obviously this was meant for future generations because these two were a special first couple with no parents.  This marriage required cleaving and the Hebrew word implies "to be joined by commitment."   Marriage is a commitment not a feeling or an emotion.  We need to stick it out, stay together and work things out as much as possible with us. 

Marriage results in being one together.  This one flesh points to the physical body but in principle also includes all that a person is; mind, emotions, will etc.  One cares for the other as one would care for oneself. 

And marriage results in nakedness without shame.  They had no shame.  They were naked and it was good.  This, again, goes beyond the physical.  We need to be open and up front with each other.  There should be no hiding, no secrets from each other. 

So everything started out well.  Until Eve was tempted.  Then everything changed.  She entered into a discussion with a serpent.  Is it no wonder women and snakes don't get along today?  We'll start there next time.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Jul 03, 2010

Lula posts:

Some people are holier than others.

give me a verse on this would ya?

Grace is given to all but not in equal amounts. Some receive more, some receive less. 

The Blessed Virgin Mary was hailed by the Angel Gabriel as "Full of grace". In Acts, St. Stephen was said to be "full of the Holy Spirit" and it's the Holy Spirit who bestows the graces of God merited by our Lord Jesus Christ. I'd say those two at least were holier than others.

God is free to bestow His gifts as He likes. The Blessed Virgin received more than others...that's why she was so "Blessed" among women. Christians receive more grace than the neo-pagans of this world. Are they holier than neo-pagans...I'd say so.

KFC posts:

Let's see Paul himself..who wrote almost the whole NT and is considered one of the most Godly men of all time said himself "I am the chief of sinners."

I know.

He also said, "By the grace of God I am what I am....I have labored more than any of them, yet not I but the grace of God with me."

Paul was a humble man, that's why we call him Saint Paul.

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please outline this on your own blog site Lula.

I just saw this...I must have been posting #150 about the same time as you wrote this. I broke up my response to Whisper2 becasue I didn't want one long, long comment.

Okay..in the chance you find # 150 objectionable, I have created my own blog.

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Jul 03, 2010

Lula posts:

So here, you're essentially saying, Christ died for me, I believe it, and therefore I am saved.

KFC posts:

Yes. It's very simple Lula. So simple and yet man has made it hard.

The part of this that is not true is your assertion "therefore I am saved". That's because believing (faith alone) does not give absolute assurety of salvation. No one has absolute assurety of their salvation this side of heaven. What this amounts to is you have judged yourself saved.  When in truth, Scripture teaches it isn't until we have been judged by CHrist that we know what our eternal destiny is.

We are justified by faith, but not by faith "alone" as Luther impudently perverted this text. St.Paul teaches, "We are justified by a faith that worketh by charity." Gal. 5:6.

KFC posts:

Go back to John 3:16. That's basic. Here's another...a jailer who just witnessed the power of God got on his knees and cried out to Paul and Silas: "What must I do to be saved? And they said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved and your house." Acts 16:30-31

Look closely at the verb tense in Acts 16: 30-31 and then compare that to what you said and the difference reveals your error.

Same thing with St. John 3:16, it says, Whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." If it were as you claim instead of "Whoever believes in Him should not perish" it would read, "Whoever believes in Him will not perish". 

Faith in Christ is the beginning,  the necessary foundation. Along with faith, as we have already seen from St.Paul, there are other conditions to salvation.

KFC posts:

And by him (Jesus) all that believe are justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses." 13:39

Just as St.John 3:16 and Acts 16:30-31 doesn't make a case for justification by faith alone, neither does Acts 13:39. Verse 38 puts it in proper context.

38 "Be it known therefore to you, brethren, that through Him (the Risen Jesus Christ) forgiveness of sins is preached to you:  And from all the things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses 39 In Him, every one that believeth is justified.

I've also seen this translated as "

"Be it known therefore to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is preached to you:  And by Him everyone that believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses."

Regardless of the translation, the message of salvation is that man is justified but not by faith alone. Here faith (belief) is the beginning of salvation, the basis and root of justification, without which "it's impossible to please God." Hebrews 11:6.

Notice beside belief, forgiveness of sins is mentioned. Once a man has received faith (believes), with the help of grace man can address God freely, can accept as true everything God has revealed, can recognize that he is a sinner, can trust in God's mercy, and can decide to keep God's commandments and begin to live a new life. Should he persevere in all these, then he's on the way to attaining salvation.

To be saved, we must believe in Christ, without faith justification is impossible. Belief is the beginning for other dispositions are required for faith necessarily leads to action. We must not only believe, we must hope, repent of our sins and be forgiven of them with the firm intention of not doing them any more, and love.

on Jul 04, 2010

To be saved, we must believe in Christ, without faith justification is impossible

absolutely agree with you here. 

But I AM NOT going into another discussion about faith alone vs works righteousness.  I believe it is faith alone that saves and you believe in a works-based theology along with every other religion on the planet. 

We need to agree to disagree right here.  Been down this path already. 

 

on Jul 04, 2010

Lula posts: Some people are holier than others.

give me a verse on this would ya?

Grace is given to all but not in equal amounts. Some receive more, some receive less.

I asked you for scripture.  You gave me none.  Show me in scripture where some people are holier than others. 

I can give you boatloads of just the opposite but you don't seem to listen when I do.  So now the proof is on you.  Showing me that Stephen and Mary were good guys and filled with Grace does not prove that some people are holier than others.  Nothing bad was ever said about Joseph and Daniel btw.  Two of the most written about and widely used by God but not one bad thing in their lives when even Abraham and David had major screw-ups in their lives. 

The holiest human (in our eyes) would still be closer to Hitler than Christ.  You don't seem to understand about the holiness of God.  He is so holy that even one little sin (and we are all sinners) counts us out totally from his presence.  Remember EVE?  The subject of this blog?  All she did was eat a piece of fruit remember?  One little sin.  She didn't have the distractions of sin available to her that we do.   Even our thoughts are considered sin in God's eyes.  Any little evil little thought that goes against him is sin.  Look at the world around us.  It's absolutely hell for the Christian because he can't move or think without sin entering into his mind because of all that the evil one throws at us. 

That's why Paul cried "I do the things I don't want to do and don't do the things I ought to do." 

on Jul 06, 2010

Interesting answers both of you, and as interesting as they are, they are just as contrary.

You've spoken of grace, but you've not explained what grace is.  All that I've gotten from both of you is that grace exists.  From one, it was a gift given by Jesus that washes away all sin, past, present and future, just for believing in Jesus's existance.  From the other, it must be earned and there are varying degrees of it, and it is something real that it adorns the soul, making it pleasing to God.  Wasn't the soul that God originally gave to man, pleasing in it's own right?  Or are you telling me that God gave man a soul that really didn't please God?

What I want to know is what it is, how it is obtained, because according to revelations not everyone will posess it, and the steps that are necessary to take that will lead one to it.  As Jesus said there would be many that shall say that they knew him, but Jesus will deny that they ever did.  In other words is faith in the existance of the man enough?

The only thing that I did see reason in was Pauls statement that he was "the chief of all sins".  Very appropriate indeed.  However I do disagree with Paul when he said  “As by the offense of one,  unto all men to condemnation".   Apparently Paul either forgot his Genesis, or he didn't know what he was speaking of.  There were in fact those relatives of Adams who were close to him in his timeline that "walked with God" and were never seen by men again.

on Jul 06, 2010

"Notice beside belief, forgiveness of sins is mentioned. Once a man has received faith (believes), with the help of grace man can address God freely, can accept as true everything God has revealed, can recognize that he is a sinner, can trust in God's mercy, and can decide to keep God's commandments and begin to live a new life. Should he persevere in all these, then he's on the way to attaining salvation."

Isn't this what Jesus lived, during his lifetime on earth?  And isn't this what you both told me was not for everyone, but only for the few, when I pointed out that Jesus showed the way to life everlasting in the example of his own life in trusting god for all things?  And isn't this what both of you told me was not for everyone, but only for the few?  I think that that is where you will find "grace", and no where else.

on Jul 06, 2010

You've spoken of grace, but you've not explained what grace is.

I did not go into it further here becasue KFC is intolerant of the Catholic viewpoint.  Did you read post # 149?

where KFC posted:

please outline this on your own blog site Lula. You answered Whisper's question already.

I will respond to your question more in depth including linking grace to the New Covenant on my blog: https://forums.joeuser.com/386413

 

 

on Jul 06, 2010

 

KFC posts:

I believe it is faith alone that saves .....

Yes, it's clear by your comments that you believe you have been saved by faith alone. But you have the infallibly words of Saint James that says something different.

 

2:14-26

14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? 15 And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food:

16 And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? 17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. 18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith. 19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? 25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way?

26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.

 

 

 

 

 

on Jul 06, 2010

There are two kinds: supernatural or sanctifying Grace and actual grace, but first some background.

KFC posts:

this is Catholic terminology..not biblical.

So is the Blessed Trinity Catholic terminology...is the Blessed Trinity Biblical?

 

 

 

 

on Jul 06, 2010

Lula posts: Some people are holier than others.

KFC posts: give me a verse on this would ya?

LUla posts: Grace is given to all but not in equal amounts. Some receive more, some receive less.

I asked you for scripture. You gave me none. Show me in scripture where some people are holier than others. ....... Showing me that Stephen and Mary were ..... filled with Grace does not prove that some people are holier than others.  

Yes, indeed showing that St.Stephen and the Blessed Virgin Mary were full of grace proves they were holier than others.

It goes to understanding grace.  If one's soul is full of God's grace (His supernatural life) then there is no sin there. If something is full (in this case the soul is full of grace) there is no room for anything else (in this case sin). 

A Godly person such as were Daniel and Joseph is a holy person.

And there are degrees of holiness.

 

on Jul 06, 2010

As Jesus said there would be many that shall say that they knew him, but Jesus will deny that they ever did.

if you read that in context you'd see clearly that while many SAY they are doing things for Christ they are not.  They are depending on their works to get them into heaven (Lula) and Jesus is going to look at them and say "I do not know you."  It's not our works he wants.  It's our heart.   They were PROFESSORS of the faith...but NOT POSSESSORS.  There's a big difference.  Those too busy working their way in will miss the boat.  It's not about works but about relationship with the Savior. 

You've spoken of grace, but you've not explained what grace is. All that I've gotten from both of you is that grace exists.

that's not true.  I told you Grace was unmerited favor and gave you an illustration.  That's what Grace is.  Unmerited favor.  We are receipiants of what we don't deserve.  Simple.  It's not that difficult. 

It goes to understanding grace. If one's soul is full of God's grace (His supernatural life) then there is no sin there.

this is heresy and quite unbiblical.  I knew you felt Mary was sinless, now you're saying Stephen is? 

As far as faith and works...I already told you Lula..been there done that.  I'm not going into it anymore with you.  It's just rehashng what we've already gone over.  You're still working your way in.  I get that.     By your believing this it really nullifies the cross big time.  When he said "it is finished."  He meant it. 

 In order to believe what you believe James is saying is to contradict Paul.  Eph 2:8-9.    James did not contradict Paul. 

and you still did NOT give me scriptures on showing me where it says one person can be holier than another. 

You just keep repeating yourself over and over as if that settles it. 

 

 

on Jul 06, 2010

They are depending on their works to get them into heaven (Lula)

This is a silly false accusation. How many times on this blog alone have I said that faith is the beginning, the base? As far as faith and works I believe St. James teaches the relationship best.

on Jul 07, 2010

I have not read many are doing works for Jesus but they claim that they "knew" him.  Please quote the passage in which this explanation is found. 

on Jul 07, 2010

"Grace is unmerited favor."

May I ask who told you this, or even where you read it?

Why would anyone believe that they need make no effort of their own in order to receive a bestowal of grace?  Why in the bible does it say that all will be judged by their works and by what dwells in their heart?  Imagine what the idea of not having to earn God's grace would mean to God.   No one is just simply entitled to grace, no matter what they believe.  And if they truly believed in Jesus they would have no problem following in his footsteps and relying totally on God as he did, he was after all the light, the truth, and the way, and that was meant literally not subjectively.   In order to have life everlasting just like Jesus told the rich man, one must follow Jesus.  In order to follow him, one must walk his path.

I am of the mind that nothing is "free" or "unmerited".  All punishment or reward is earned.  It is written throughout the bible as being so.  Jesus did not come to change the law, and he said so.

on Jul 07, 2010

How many times on this blog alone have I said that faith is the beginning, the base? As far as faith and works I believe St. James teaches the relationship best.

you have but every time I dare mention that we are saved by faith (alone) or imply it in any small way you jump on the works bandwagon.  Works are important.  Got that.  It's just not a component necessary for salvation.  When we say so, we nullify the work of Christ.  He did the work...we accept it (saved) now get to work. 

I believe we are saved by faith alone, but our faith is never alone (works) which is different than the RCC teaches. 

"Grace is unmerited favor."

May I ask who told you this, or even where you read it?

you can actually look it up in a dictionary.  It comes from the Greek word Charis and has various uses that which bestows or occasions pleasure, delight, or causes favorable regard.  To be in favor with is to find "grace" with.  You don't earn grace, you receive it. 

Why would anyone believe that they need make no effort of their own in order to receive a bestowal of grace?

Because the very nature of grace is that you receive it with no effort of your own.  Grace is unmerited favor from one to another.  Someone, outside of yourself bestows to you Grace meaning you don't deserve it but it's given anyhow. 

another example..you're speeding down the highway and a cop pulls you over.  You deserve a ticket because you were exceeding the speed limit.  Instead, he decides to let you off with a warning.  He has extended to you grace.  You didn't deserve it.  There's nothing you could have done.  He had every right to write that ticket. 

Why in the bible does it say that all will be judged by their works and by what dwells in their heart?

I'm not sure which scripture you are referencing but we will all be judged by our works meaning our works or the works we have in Christ.  In His work on the cross. 

As a born again, blood bought believer my righteousness is nothing.  I'm only made righteous in Him.  I'm covered in HIS righteousness, not my own.  My rightesousness, as scripture says is like filthy rags.  Scripture is all about coverings....remember Noah covered the boat in pitch?  That was kapher which means "atonement."  He was kept alive by the grace of God.  He didn't deserve it anymore than anyone else but Noah found Grace in God. 

Adam and Eve tried to cover themselves after their sin but it was inadequate.  That's a picture of human effort.  It's not good enough.  God lovingly covered them remember?  That's what He does to us spiritually as well when we come to belief in His son and His sacrifice.   He covers us in the blood of Christ.  Only a blood offering will do.  A bloodless offering cannot do because God set it up that the "life is in the blood" and therefore it's always been a "life for a life." 

 

In order to have life everlasting just like Jesus told the rich man, one must follow Jesus. In order to follow him, one must walk his path.

yes, follow me He said.   So I agree. 

I am of the mind that nothing is "free" or "unmerited". All punishment or reward is earned. It is written throughout the bible as being so. Jesus did not come to change the law, and he said so.

The wages of sin is death.  Yes.  We sin.  We die.  Pretty simple.  Since we all sin, we can all expect death...except. ..

Christ came and paid that debt on our behalf.  But there's a catch.  It's called belief and acceptance.  If you believe with all your heart, then his death is your death.  He died in your place.  If you don't believe and think you can take care of yourself, be forewarned you can never earn enough brownie points to escape the sin death which is a huge burden to undertake. 

Jesus did not come to change the law but to fulfill it.  He did that on the cross.  Read Romans 6:16-23

 

 

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