This is excellent!

 

Funny

Someone has to clean up the poop - and the democrats always leave it to others to do.

I might add, however, that it is a distortion to think that Democrats do not believe in personal accountability. The Republican Party seems to think that it has a corner on the morality market. Baloney.

I know I'm a Democrat and I believe people should work for a living and be personally accountable, and so on...all the ethical and moral aspects we should maintain ourselves as good citizens. I also believe we, as a society, have an obligation to care for each other, especially to those in need. I also believe that Corporation must be good citizens and pay taxes.

A Republicam might look at that homeless person and say, "He should get a job and if he doesn't, his situation is his own fault." Nice and tidy.

Yet a reasonable person would want to investigate a little more deeply. Perhaps this person has a serious mental disorder. Perhaps he has tried repeatedly to find work, but in his street condition no one will even let him use a bathroom to clean up, let alone give him a job. Its far to easy and simple to assume that the homeless person is lazy or unwilling to work. Such cases are rare.

BTW, I was a regional investigator for the Ohio study of mental health needs of homeless persons (www.link). Even testified before congress on the issue. Its just not as simple as some make it out to be.
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Be well.

If it was offered to him, he most likely will do just that .... did you ever think of that????

I second both Thinkaloud and Sodaiho!!  

Yes, that used to be a position of the Democratic party. But lately it seems to me that saying that would make you a Republican in many Democrats' eyes.




Did you ever try offering a job like that to a homeless person?

Jokes - at least the good ones, and not the inane ones - always have a kernel of truth to them.

Did you ever think that not all homeless are that way because they DON'T want to be?

There are some that are quite fine living outside and under bridges and going to shelters.  They have no accountability, no bills, no taxes and no one to hassle them and tell them what they have to do.  They can get free meals, clothes, showers and medical.  What more do they need?   Our church recently went to the homeless and helped them in all sorts of ways including feeding, clothing and passing out goodie bags with toiltries.  Many were grateful.  But there were some of the homeless that were vulgar and critical of what was being done on their behalf.   They laughed, swore and mocked my friends who spent more than a day of their own time on their behalf. 

Agreed.  The whole platform is to take from those who do and give to those who don't. 

well, I can see the dividing line here without knowing  which side of the fence you're on.

I have a friend who has a son in his 20's.  The kid is useless.  He has no ambition, no goals and is aimlessly walking thru life.  My friend, who has always been a hard worker blames the government.  See, when his son was 12 he gave him a much deserved spanking.  The kid went to school and told on his father.  The CPS came by and threatened my friend saying he was NOT to lay a hand on his son unless he wanted to see jailtime.  My friend said it was humiliating to sit there and take this from what looked to him somebody who didn't have a clue.  His son, knew exactly what he did and held it over his dad's head.  So now, this dad says, the government should take him in because they are the ones who created this surly, unresponsible kid who can't hold down a job for anything. 

ok,  I agree, but do you believe we should be FORCED to do so?  It's one thing to do something out of the goodness of your heart, it's quite another to be FORCED to care for another.  This is not biblical btw.  

If I go to the store and buy my groceries should I be forced to take 25% of what is in my carriage and give to another having no choice in who I give it too?  That's the way of the Dems and I don't think it's right at all. 

Then if you believe this, you should be a Republican, because what you just described here is not the Democratic way. 

Well actions speak louder than words. 

Well of course Democrats believe in personal accountability, they want Bush to be accountable for everything even if he was not directly involved in it.

Some might, but many would see it as this better: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach this man to fish, feed him for life. I want this man to get a job, I would be willing to help him get this job, what i don't want is to have to work for him while he gets to sit back and enjoy his free time and free money. Is that really too much to ask? Or are you saying all homeless people are incapable of providing for themselves for one reason or another?

There are times when some people get together and believe that a good idea is good, one can say "great minds think alike". But when some people get together and believe a bad idea is good, one can say "great! these minds think alike".

Nothing against your friend but there are other ways to discipline a child that don't involve spanking. Don't get me wrong I'm not against spanking I just know that there are other ways to discipline a child like timeouts, taking away perks like tv, computer, internet, game systems, don't allow them to play with the neighborhood kids, etc. I'm not saying that they all work, but it can't all be the governments fault. Hell now that the kid is in his 20's your friend can kick the kid out of the house, force him to get a job and pay his own way.

Hahahahah El-D this is a subject we agree on. Yes I agree with you here. I'm thinking the dad gave up too easily myself. I do know the dad was fearful of losing his child to the CPS. They put the fear of jailtime in him, that's for sure. Seen it happen one other time to a co-worker of mine. Same thing happened. She was so scared she didn't even dare discipline her child and ended up with much the same result with her son.

I think if it were me, I'd give the kid a spanking for going to the teacher and warn him about the consequences. I'd be letting that child know, that I was not intimidated that's for sure.

Seems to me, this kid wasn't spanked enough when he was too young to be so smart for his britches. If done, right no spanking is needed at 12. By then they know the rules quite well and know who's the boss.

My guess is this dad (and I knew him pretty well) was a pushover until the kid got too old to handle. He started laying down the law at an age when it's not the best time to do so. Like we're discussing on Tova's blog....12 is the pits!



  good one Charles!

yes, I can see it now. A revolution of homeless people marching down the streets of Times Square holding up signs saying "I want work", "I'll clean your back yard for $5", "I'll pick fruits and veggies for minimum wage". But wait, what will happen to all the illegal immigrants who are doing the jobs some claim Americans don't want to do that now ThinkAloud believes homeless people would do if offered to them?