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Published on March 25, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events
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Much has been written here and elsewhere about OKlahoma State Rep Sally Kern and her blatent honesty of her belief on the Homosexual lifestyle. She dared speak out.  Shame on her.   But did you know the rest of the story?

Many know and are angry (especially you know who)  about her comments  on how the "Homosexuality Agenda is destroying the nation" and is a bigger threat to our country than the Islamic Terrorists. 

How many know her speech was not only secretly recorded but also very carefully edited before given out to the public? 

They left out the part where she says, 'The book that I base my life upon is God's Word, and it says to love everybody -- and I try to love everybody, but not everybody's lifestyle is equal.'   They just started with the part where it says 'not everybody's lifestyle is equal.' They didn't include the part that has  Sally  on tape saying that she loves everybody."

Of course not.  That's not as much fun to mock and lash out at.  All this is about, plain and simple, is  "The Agenda" trying to warn anyone in opposition to their militant stance to back off.  Don't even think about speaking out.   If you dare, you will be put through hell as they demonize you taking away any unwanted attention to their unnatural behavior. 

Some have been warning us that once we let this behavior in as normal be prepared for other behaviors called "alternative lifestyles" to want their day in the sun.  And I think I saw the door opening on Oprah last week.  And you know how that goes.  I immediately picked up on it. 

She had on her show a beautiful Mormon, one of three wives wedded to one husband.  This woman did not fit the usual stereotype we think of when we think plural wives.   Even Oprah kept saying you don't look like the type.  She was floored.   This lady was very modern in appearance (no 18th century dress) beautiful and very intelligent.  She could be, and seems to be, a great spokeswomen for this lifestyle.  

Anyhow she said something to the effect that  "in today's day of alternative lifestyles" she would like to see polygamy made legal.   She kept on speaking but I knew........deep down that Oprah would pick up on the "day of alternative lifestyle."  There was no way that statement was making it past Oprah.  Sure enough. 

By golly she did grab right onto it.  Immediately.  She even said, she never thought of it like that and seemed very receptive to this woman as she presented her case.   I mean really, this Mormon woman did have a point.  If we accept this alternative lifestyle how can we say no to others who feel they have a right to marry whom they want even if it involves more than one wife? 

What's next on the agenda?  I do know that those interested in beastiality and pedophilia are watching all this.  How far will we go? 

 

 


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46
KFC Kickin For Christ
on Mar 31, 2008

Indulge me if you would. Set aside your religion and all for a second. I ask you to only look at your emotions. What if you were gay? What if you couldn't marry someone that you loved, just because you happened to be different?

This is what you want me to answer SP?

I can't do that.  I'm not gay.  Besides that, these hypothetcial questions are......well hypothetical.  It's usually something I don't take the time to answer.  What for?  It's a waste of time.  I don't  and won't make a judgment on emotion.   It's not sensible. 

And another thing....I can't set aside my Christianity.  It's part of who I am.  I can't nor would I violate those principles just to get my way. 

There are some out there who would consider themselves "gay" and yet will not violate their Christian belief which they hold higher than themselves even. 

Christianity is all about sacrifice.  Not only the sacrifice made on our behalf but also we are called to sacrifice these things that would become obstacles to our faith.  Anything that would put division between us and God needs to be dealt with and discarded. 

 

47
lulapilgrim
on Mar 31, 2008
Lula posts:
In addition to that, the natural anatomy of the human body including organ function and reproduction rejects homosexual acts as unnatural. Homosexuality is contrary to the facts of life. The natural design of the body affirms the sexual union of a man and a woman. Their parts fit perfectly whereas the body parts don't fit in the case of same-gender sex.


SilentPOet Posts:
All of these, and more mention gay animals. Now, either it is natural, or God must have really messed up big time.


Lula posts:
Humans are not animals. Humans are far above animals in every way.

Humans have free will, operate on choice, and have intelligence. Animals operate on
instinct.


Silentpoet posts:
But humans are primates, and primates include various animals, so at the very least we are in close proximity to animals.

Something else to mention, and part of me is saying I shouldnt bother given how similar you are with KFC in views, but if you acknowledge evolution, and that we evolved over time from our earlier ancestors, and that they relied on instinct, we at one point were animals.



KFC and I are on the same page regarding Evolution Theory. No sale here. I get what your're driving at though. You see Evolution Theory, particularly Darwinism, as a rationale that homosexuality is natural. It goes like this...if evolution is true, then man evolved from animals, and people are just animals; they can act like animals.


That man evolved from lower forms of life is pure fanciful conjecture without any real evidence in its favor. Intermediate forms are missing and strict proof is entirely wanting. If you want to believe your ancestors evolved from animals, then I can't help you there.   Lulapilgrim's ancestors go back to Adam and Eve.  

48
KFC Kickin For Christ
on Mar 31, 2008

ya, it's not that we are missing a link here......we are missing the whole chain! 

49
Zoologist03
on Mar 31, 2008
That man evolved from lower forms of life is pure fanciful conjecture without any real evidence in its favor. Intermediate forms are missing and strict proof is entirely wanting. If you want to believe your ancestors evolved from animals, then I can't help you there.


Zoo is resisting the urge to jump in. He puts his hat back on and walks away.

~Zoo
50
SilentPoet
on Mar 31, 2008
KFC and I are on the same page regarding Evolution Theory. No sale here. I get what your're driving at though. You see Evolution Theory, particularly Darwinism, as a rationale that homosexuality is natural. It goes like this...if evolution is true, then man evolved from animals, and people are just animals; they can act like animals.


But not only did we evolve from, but we are technically animals. Do you honestly think that the biologists we have are crazy, and just magically conjured the evidence showing this stuff? (If they did, then they could be used for other things...     )

Zoo is resisting the urge to jump in. He puts his hat back on and walks away.


Hey, come back here. Pretty please? I could use a hand, even though I've got the feeling I'll never get them to completely acknowledge it. Something to do with their faith.

Hmmm, this has me thinking on why I've never really been sold on religion.

Lulapilgrim's ancestors go back to Adam and Eve.


Who's to say that they were nothing more than our predecessors? (sp?) And please try to use something like the Bible, because it's got some holes and flaws in it.


51
lulapilgrim
on Apr 01, 2008
But not only did we evolve from, but we are technically animals. Do you honestly think that the biologists we have are crazy, and just magically conjured the evidence showing this stuff? (If they did, then they could be used for other things... )


SilentPoet,
I acknowledge that we humans have been scientifically classified as animals. So what?

Sorry! That doesn't prove we evolved from animals...ergo we are animals and can behave like animals!

This just goes to show you and I have oppositve views of our Origins. Opinions about where we came from affect the way we think and act.


52
SilentPoet
on Apr 01, 2008
Sorry! That doesn't prove we evolved from animals...ergo we are animals and can behave like animals!


Ugh berries. Listen, I'm just gonna call this a draw, because I've provided ample evidence, empirical and otherwise, but you're not going to be persuaded.

This just goes to show you and I have oppositve views of our Origins. Opinions about where we came from affect the way we think and act.


Precisely, which I realized long ago that I had a less than one percent chance of changing your view even a microscopic bit, heh, but I tried.   

I acknowledge that we humans have been scientifically classified as animals. So what?


...that makes us animals. Why would we be classified as Animalia (animals) if we were anything else but that, we're there for a reason.
53
KFC Kickin For Christ
on Apr 01, 2008

And please try to use something like the Bible, because it's got some holes and flaws in it.

Really?  It does?  Could you enlighten me on this SP?  I'd love to be able to discuss these holes and flaws with you.

 

54
SilentPoet
on Apr 01, 2008
Really? It does? Could you enlighten me on this SP? I'd love to be able to discuss these holes and flaws with you.


You've got things that are seemingly magical, but are (according to what I've heard) can be explained scientifically, and not divine. Such as the parting of the sea, unless i am remembering incorrectly, there was a quake around the time period that was placed.

How can Jesus write letters to the seven churches if he never went to them? Doesn't he even preach against rumor/libel. (Can't think of the exact term)

There are parts that suggest that he created man and woman, then animals...but later ( Genesis 2:18-19 ) it seems that he maks some animals again, and possible woman, again.

You've got the inconsistancies and contradictions (seemingly, I'll admit i may be wrong, but given that many many people point these out, it seems a little improbable that all could be wrong, unless it's satans work.   Only teasing.)

I'll let this guy show it: http://danielle-movie.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-970.html


Okay, this last one is one that I've been unable to explain, I've read and re-read the sections of the bible that pertain to it, but it still perplexing. So, because I'm sure you might have one: Can you explain the thirty years or so that are missing from Jesus' life. I believe it was up until he was in his thirties, he was gone.

Now, something to add, but I remember hearing of other religions (Buddism being one) that have accounts of a man whose description seems akin to Jesus, visiting and teaching.


***
Something else, a bit of a side track, that I found interesting was:

"Joseph of Arimathea was certainly wealthy, but how did he amass his wealth? Arimathea, is not a town or district at all, but a Greek compound word meaning Harima Theo (by the Grace of God).

He most likely came from Ramle or another town. He was said to be in the trade of metals; tin precisely. This would have theoretically put him in contact with England, where tin was mined and sent throughout the Roman Empire.

More speculation has Joseph related to Jesus directly. It is been written by early Church fathers that Joseph was the uncle of Mary, the mother of Jesus. Certainly the Gospel has them familiar as when Joseph was burying Jesus in his tomb, he was accompanied by Mary (the mother of Jesus), and Mary Magdalena"

Source

55
KFC Kickin For Christ
on Apr 01, 2008
You've got things that are seemingly magical, but are (according to what I've heard) can be explained scientifically, and not divine. Such as the parting of the sea, unless i am remembering incorrectly, there was a quake around the time period that was placed.


It's not really a surprise. God always uses the natural in his miracles. When Jesus healed a blind man, he used dirt and spit. It's still a miracle. How about the loaves and the fishes? It was just plain ol' bread and fish.

There's a story out there about the parting of the red sea something like........well it wasn't really a miracle because every spring the water dries up to about 10 inches or so, so it wasn't really a miracle that Moses parted the Red Sea. Really? Then it must have been a really big miracle that all the Egyptian Army drowned in 10 inches of water.

God used a flood to create a miracle. He used many physical elements in the plagues in Egypt...all miracles but with everyday things. Frogs, lice, blood, darkness, flies..etc.

unless it's satans work. Only teasing.)


in your teasing is the truth. Satan's work is to get people NOT to believe in God's word. He started right with Eve...."Did God really say?" and he's still using this tactic today....because it works!

Can you explain the thirty years or so that are missing from Jesus' life. I believe it was up until he was in his thirties, he was gone.


His ministry didn't start until he was 30. We did read about his birth up till 2 years old and then an excerpt of him about 12. But if you read the end of John you'd see that John covers this saying there wouldn't be enough books to contain all that could have been written about Jesus. God just wanted us to know the important things. We have a hard enough time now reading what we do have....what more do you want?

Joseph of Arimathea? What about it? So what if he was rich or poor? What is your point? The bible says he was rich and had a tomb acceptable for Christ. When you go back 700 years before Christ you'd see a prophecy by Isaiah who said:

"And they made his grave with the wicked (robbers on the crosses) and with a rich man in his death (Joseph of Arimathea) although he had done no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth." Isaiah 53

I think the real question should be...."how in the world did Isaiah know this 700 years before Christ was even born?





56
SilentPoet
on Apr 01, 2008
God used a flood to create a miracle.


Who's to say that was God's act, and not a miracle one?

Then it must have been a really big miracle that all the Egyptian Army drowned in 10 inches of water.


You can drown in a teaspoon of water.

"And they made his grave with the wicked (robbers on the crosses) and with a rich man in his death (Joseph of Arimathea) although he had done no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth." Isaiah 53


Perhaps it actually was: A) Actually written after a similar event, or it's an account of something happening. It's made up, a story.


His ministry didn't start until he was 30. We did read about his birth up till 2 years old and then an excerpt of him about 12. But if you read the end of John you'd see that John covers this saying there wouldn't be enough books to contain all that could have been written about Jesus. God just wanted us to know the important things. We have a hard enough time now reading what we do have....what more do you want?


Those thirty years. Because, well, think about it, in those thirty years who's to say he didn't travel all over, preaching/sermonizing?

in your teasing is the truth. Satan's work is to get people NOT to believe in God's word. He started right with Eve...."Did God really say?" and he's still using this tactic today....because it works!


But who's to say what you have IS God's word? What if, the bible you know today is in fact completely or totally ursurped by Satan? Satan isn't going to necessarily look or act like himself, he'll have ways of deceiving people, right? Who's to say he cant make things look like your Gods?

You can claim all you want, but because you are mortal, because you are human, you cannot say with even a remote assurity/accuracy that things are as you claim. Heh, it comes down to faith.

Which comes to another thing I was thinking about.

If you have faith in your God, then why do you insist to not acknowledge that maybe evolution is one of his tools? The bible may not state it, but who is to say it isn't? Your God says to honor man's law, but why not honor/respect science as well? What makes them so different? If your God gave us abilities, who is to say he didn't give us evolution as well, that evolution being the way we've adapted over the years?


And remember it isn't that we are from monkeys, being a primate does not equal being a monkey. Monkeys are just one of many priates, and primates are merely a biological order, and to be a Primate, you have to look like this:

Five fingers, general dental pattern, an unspecialized body plan, fingernails, opposing thumbs, etc...

Do we have these? Yep, so we're primates.

Something else to note is that primate means: "one of the first, excellent, noble" (nominative plural primates). (Wikipedia) So lets put forth a guess, a hypothesis. Humans are supposed to be one of your God's most wonderful creations (hence Satan being jealous of them, as well as God). So, who's to say that we are not primates? See what I mean?
57
SilentPoet
on Apr 01, 2008
Oh, and you're making me use my brain during my day off, meanie.    (Just kidding   )
58
SilentPoet
on Apr 01, 2008
Joseph of Arimathea? What about it?


Like i said, it was interesting. Because it's possible that if he dealt in tin, then he'd possibly have had access to other areas of the world, say like Britain. And Jesus may have been aware of those places at such an early age. But like i said, it's just interesting.

59
KFC Kickin For Christ
on Apr 01, 2008
Perhaps it actually was: A) Actually written after a similar event, or it's an account of something happening. It's made up, a story.


If you knew even the fundamentals of scripture you wouldn't be asking this question. The book of Isaiah was written 700 years before Christ. The Jews had many, many copies of this book as well as all the OT books keeping meticulous care of the scriptures starting with Moses. Jesus sat down and read from Isaiah and quoted from Isaiah quite a few times. It's one of the most if not the most quoted book in the NT. Read Isaiah 53 yourself and see how it is an exact prophecy of the Messiah that would come in the future. If it's a made up story....Isaiah was a good guesser....100%.

But who's to say what you have IS God's word? What if, the bible you know today is in fact completely or totally ursurped by Satan? Satan isn't going to necessarily look or act like himself, he'll have ways of deceiving people, right? Who's to say he cant make things look like your Gods?


So you think God is so outsmarted by Satan he can't protect his own word? He can create the world with his fingertips but not protect his letter to mankind? Satan misquotes and misuses it all the time and he's tried mighty hard to have it burned and destroyed more than once in history (check your history books). Why would he try to destroy it if he already usurped it? Doesn't make sense.

You can believe you came from monkeys all you want. I'll take the Adam link myself. WHen I look around...like procreates like. It takes more faith to believe we came from monkeys than to believe we came from man created by a creator.

You can keep that faith, I'll keep mine.





60
SilentPoet
on Apr 01, 2008
So you think God is so outsmarted by Satan he can't protect his own word? He can create the world with his fingertips but not protect his letter to mankind? Satan misquotes and misuses it all the time and he's tried mighty hard to have it burned and destroyed more than once in history (check your history books). Why would he try to destroy it if he already usurped it? Doesn't make sense.


Oh I know that Hitler and countless others did that, and according to you they were Satan's hands. Sure it does, just because you have usurped it doesn't mean you won't try to destroy it. Are you now to tell me that you know Satan's plans?

You can believe you came from monkeys all you want. I'll take the Adam link myself. WHen I look around...like procreates like. It takes more faith to believe we came from monkeys than to believe we came from man created by a creator.


I don't believe we came from monkeys, we're related to them because there is a shared common ancestor, but we're not them, because we can't come from monkeys.

Here's something to look at (the first post):

Chromosome challenge

If you knew even the fundamentals of scripture you wouldn't be asking this question. The book of Isaiah was written 700 years before Christ. The Jews had many, many copies of this book as well as all the OT books keeping meticulous care of the scriptures starting with Moses. Jesus sat down and read from Isaiah and quoted from Isaiah quite a few times. It's one of the most if not the most quoted book in the NT. Read Isaiah 53 yourself and see how it is an exact prophecy of the Messiah that would come in the future. If it's a made up story....Isaiah was a good guesser....100%.


That, or whomever wrote the bible came upon that story and integrated it/used it. All you can do is believe it all on faith. Something that came to mind. If Science is logical, and faith isn't, and you told me at another time that I should be logical, then why don't you acknowledge this all, since it is logical?

Is it not the logic you'll accept?

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