Is He Not a God of Love?
Published on February 12, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
"And the Lord sent thee on a journey and said Go and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites and fight against them until they be consumed." 1 Samuel 15:18

Why was this command given? What kind of a person could follow such a God who advocated this? Is the God of the OT different than the God of the NT? Why the command to exterminate all men, women and children belonging to the seven or eight Cannanite nations? How could God approve of the blanket destruction, at times, of the killing of entire groups of people?

These are all fair questions. Many an objection is raised by unbelievers as to the view that the God of the OT is a God of love and mercy based on such scripture passages as the one above.

I'm not going to tone down or mitigate its stark reality because it would fail from the start. These instructions are quite clear and there are many texts such as the one listed above that speak of destroying whole populations.

In most of the situations as here there is a distinctive OT concept known as herem present and it means "curse," "that which stood under the ban" or "that which was dedicated to destruction." Basically the root of this means to separate. However this is not in a positive sense such as to be "sanctified" which means to be set aside for the service and glory of God. This is more like the opposite side of the coin and means to separate for destruction. In the NT Jesus spoke of the end times when the sheep and the goats would be separate giving us the same idea as to what we see here in the OT.

God dedicated these people, or in some cases individuals, to destruction because they violently and continually impeded or opposed his work usually over a long period of time. God is always slow to act. This act of destruction was not used frequently.

Abraham was given an amazing prediction. He was told his descendants would be exiled and mistreated for over 400 years before God would lead them out. While many may know that , they may not clearly understand the reason for this long delay. Genesis 15:13-16 explains that the "sin of the Amorites had not reached it's full measure. This meant that all the Canaanite tribes in Palestine whose sins God would tolerate until the Israelites came out of Egypt under Moses would evenutally be destroyed in the conquering of Palestine by Joshua..

So God waited for 400 years while the Amalekites and those other Canaanite groups filled up their cups of condemnation by their sinful behavior. God's mercy and grace was such that he waited giving them every opportunity to repent from their plummet into self-destruction. It's always our own behaviors that will get us in the end.

In the meantime the Israelites were not without sin. Deut 9:5 says:


"It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of ther land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations."


These nations were cut off to prevent the corruption of Israel and the rest of the world (Deut 20:16-18). When a nation starts burning children as a gift to the gods (Lev 18:21) and practices sodomy, beastiality and all sorts of nasty vices (Lev 18:25,27-30) the day of God's grace and mercy has begun to run out. I see the same happening eventually to our country as we kill the unborn literally sacrificing them to whatever god we're following.

Just as surgeons do not hesitate to amputate a limb affected by gangrene, taking some healthy flesh with it, God must do the same. This is like removing cancer that would eventually infect all of socieity and destroy the remaining good.

Sin is likened to yeast. Basically what yeast does is corrupt the dough. That's what would happen if sin is left unchecked. It would eventually spread and all would be affected.

Why was God so opposed to the Amalekites? When the Israelites were wandering and struggling thru the wilderness towards the Promised Land the Amalekites picked off the weak, sick and elderly at the end of the line of marchers and brutally murdered these stragglers. You'll see the warning Moses gave in Deut 25:17-18. He said the Amalekites had no fear of God and thought they were invincible.

Some commentators believe that the Amalekites were not merely plundering and disputing who owned the territority but were also attacking God's chosen people to discredit the living God. Some trace this people group's adamant hostility all through the OT, including the most savage butchery of all in Haman's (pre-Hitler) proclaimation that all Jews throughout the Persian Empire could be massacred on a certain day (Esther 3:8-11). Haman was an Amalekite. His actions revealed his nation's deep hatred for God and the people whom God had chosen to bless the world. To this day the Jews celebrate God's protection and delieverance from Haman. Every Spring they have a two day celebration going all the way back to this time.

In Numbers 25 and 31 Israel was also told to conduct a war of extermination against all those in Midian with the exception of the young girls because this people group had led the Israelites into idolatry and immorality. It was very important that the preservation of Israel stay intact. This is the people group that God had chosen not only to be a light to the whole world but to also bring his son into when the time was full.

So here this command was to break Midian's strength by killing all the males and any woman who had slept with a man and who could still become mothers. There are further examples of the principle of herem including the verse in Psalm 106.34. This psalm recounts the sins committed in the land of Canaan by the Israelites including failure to destroy the inhabitants and idolatry. So they also questioned God at times when given these commands sometimes leaving survivors or just not doing what he commanded and they always paid the price for their sin.

"They did not destroy the nations concerning whom the Lord commanded them; but were mingled among the heathen and learned their works. And they served their idols; which were a snare to them. Yes, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters to devils and shed innocent blood even the blood of their sons and of their daughters whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan and the land was polluted with blood. Thus were they defiled with their own works and went a whoring with their own inventions." Psalm 106:34-39
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on Feb 13, 2008
Nice, Tova.


Not everyone who says they accept Jesus really knows him Zoo.


True...and technically no one really does know him at all. We have stories, and that's all we get. A character, a representation...to really know him we're going to have to meet him.

Once someone truly accepts and want to get to know God, reading what pleases and displeases him comes naturally.


True enough, but some people take this part a little far in my opinion.

Would you rather be dead? Are you sorry you were ever born? Was it a curse or a gift?


Heh, that depends on how I feel. Normally, usually I don't mind living. Of course there are those days when you think you'd be better off six feet under. In general, life is an amazing thing...but we have no choice in the matter. We could end it, yes...but that's a straight ticket to hell, isn't it?

But you don't. Why not?


Spite, mostly.   

Seriously, I just want to see how this whole thing plays out. I'm not keen on dying right now.

The 10 commandments are the law. They show us what God loves, and what He hates.


Interesting thing is, 4 out of 10 Commandments deal exclusively with worshipping God...you'd think He could wind them all up into 1 and give us a few more to better outline our lives.

God seems to hate a lot of things as much as He loves when you think about it. Interesting character this God guy...bipolar to the max.

The one thing He won't do is force you to love Him.


Well, He doesn't do a lot. I believe the God we have these days has a huge hands off policy. There are a lot of prayers that go unanswered. He demands that we love him, but you're right...He won't force it. Not even God can control emotion, which would explain His anger and subsequent slaughter of human populations.

It's a lot to think about...it really is.

~Zoo
on Feb 13, 2008
then I have to ask...who exactly is YOUR God?

My God says we need to pray like this:

Our Father Who art in Heaven
Hallowed be YOUR NAME

Names are very important to God. He actually has quite a few attributed to him the most popular being Jehovah or YHWH. This name is actually mentioned 6,683 times in the OT.


My "God" just is. ::Shrugs::
on Feb 13, 2008
True enough, but some people take this part a little far in my opinion.


This just cracks me up Zoo. hahahaha. I can think of a whole lotta worse things to be addicted too. (Like chocolate!  )

I'm not keen on dying right now.


Ya know a good thing when ya got it. I may not ask for a gift, but once I receive it I'm not going to just throw it away because I didn't ask for it. Heck, that'd include just about every good thing in my life.

Interesting thing is, 4 out of 10 Commandments deal exclusively with worshiping God...you'd think He could wind them all up into 1 and give us a few more to better outline our lives.


Actually I am amazed He fit so much into ten sentences. Wish I could write like that.

God seems to hate a lot of things as much as He loves when you think about it. Interesting character this God guy...bipolar to the max.


I dunno. If we were created in His image and He gave us emotions...stands to reason He has them too. Bipolar? Nah. I bet you could sit down right now and write a list of things you love and things you hate. Maybe not as succinctly, but I bet ya could do it. Are you bipolar? heh. Seriously, if you are don't tell me.   

You are right it IS a lot to think about. And if you want to reject it as written that is your choice. Just yours.

I for one am not going to make you feel guilty or stupid for choosing an eternity in hell.....buwhahahahahha.

Sorry, I can have a bit of a twisted sense of humor.  

on Feb 13, 2008
This just cracks me up Zoo. hahahaha. I can think of a whole lotta worse things to be addicted too.


Well, some are addicted in that overzealous way. Some go over to the dark side. Just look towards Fred Phelps for that kind of craziness.

Bipolar? Nah. I bet you could sit down right now and write a list of things you love and things you hate. Maybe not as succinctly, but I bet ya could do it. Are you bipolar? heh. Seriously, if you are don't tell me.


He seems to be that way sometimes. First it's all love, love, love...and then it's die, die, die. There's never, I'm disappointed in you, let's talk this out. There's no middle ground with God. Vengeance or Love...take your pick.

There's not much I hate in this world, mostly actions or ideas that are stupid and/or evil.

Nah, I'm not bipolar...I'm eerily moderate in all of my emotions 99% of the time.

And if you want to reject it as written that is your choice. Just yours.


Sometimes what's written isn't necessarily what the author had in mind. I let life figure out all the messy details. No one has the exact same format of beliefs, personal experience shapes most of what you believe. Even if you're devout, no two people believe every detail to be the same.

Except for scientologists who are brainwashed zombies.

~Zoo
on Feb 13, 2008
Just look towards Fred Phelps for that kind of craziness.


Yes his wife and son graced Vandalia with their presence during the murdered Marine's funeral.

Lucky Ohio.

on Feb 14, 2008
Karma? Hello? Where are you?



on Feb 17, 2008
Karma? Hello? Where are you?


She's feeding the ducks.

reference: Genesis

Heathaze by Genesis

No cloud, a sleepy calm
Sunbaked earth that's cooled by gentle breeze
And trees with rustling leaves
Only endless days without a care
Nothing must be done

Silent as a day can be
Far off sounds of others on their chosen run
As they do all those things they feel give life some meaning
Even if they're dull

Time to stop this dreaming, must rejoin the real world
As revealed by orange lights and a smoky atmosphere

The trees and I are shaken by the same winds but whereas
The trees will lose their withered leaves
I just can't seem to let them loose
And they can't refresh me those hot winds of the south
I feel like an alien, a stranger in an alien place

Now the light is fading fast
Chances slip away, a time will come to pass
When there'll be none
Then addicted to a perfumed poison
Betrayed by its aftertaste
We shall lose the wonder and find nothing in return
Many are the substitutes but they're powerless on their own

Beware the fisherman who's casting out his line
Into a dried up river bed
But don't try to tell him cos he won't believe you
Throw some bread to the ducks instead, it's easier that way
I feel like an alien, a stranger in an alien place
on Feb 18, 2008
"Love your enemies...to death!"



~Zoo
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