Published on November 1, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Politics
Well here you go for those who didn't see this op-ed in the NY Times. It's the beginning of organizing the evangelical vote at a meeting in Salt Lake City. The purpose was to discuss what would happen if Giuliani or another GOP candidate who doesn't represent them is elected to be the nominee. It was titled "The Values Test."

by James C. Dobson, Ph.D., founder and chairman

Dr. Dobson says winning an election is important, but not at the expense of our core beliefs.

Reports have surfaced in the press about a meeting that occurred last Saturday in Salt Lake City involving more than 50 pro-family leaders. The purpose of the gathering was to discuss our response if both the Democratic and Republican Parties nominate standard-bearers who are supportive of abortion. Although I was neither the convener nor the moderator of the meeting, I’d like to offer several brief clarifications about its outcome and implications.

After two hours of deliberation, we voted on a resolution that can be summarized as follows: If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life, we will join others in voting for a minor-party candidate. Those agreeing with the proposition were invited to stand. The result was almost unanimous.

The other issue discussed at length concerned the advisability of creating a third party if Democrats and Republicans do indeed abandon the sanctity of human life and other traditional family values. Though there was some support for the proposal, no consensus emerged.

Speaking personally, and not for the organization I represent or the other leaders gathered in Salt Lake City, I firmly believe that the selection of a president should begin with a recommitment to traditional moral values and beliefs. Those include the sanctity of human life, the institution of marriage, and other inviolable pro-family principles. Only after that determination is made can the acceptability of a nominee be assessed.

The other approach, which I find problematic, is to choose a candidate according to the likelihood of electoral success or failure. Polls don’t measure right and wrong; voting according to the possibility of winning or losing can lead directly to the compromise of one’s principles. In the present political climate, it could result in the abandonment of cherished beliefs that conservative Christians have promoted and defended for decades. Winning the presidential election is vitally important, but not at the expense of what we hold most dear.

One other clarification is germane, even though unrelated to the meeting in Salt Lake City. The secular news media has been reporting in recent months that the conservative Christian movement is hopelessly fractured and internally antagonistic. The Los Angeles Times reported on Monday, for example, that supporters of traditional family values are rapidly “splintering.” That is not true. The near unanimity in Salt Lake City is evidence of much greater harmony than supposed. Admittedly, differences of opinion exist among us about our choices for president.

That divergence is entirely reasonable, now just over a year before the national election. It is hardly indicative of a “splintering” of old alliances. If the major political parties decide to abandon conservative principles, the cohesion of pro-family advocates will be all too apparent in 2008.



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on Nov 01, 2007
Congratulations, KFC. You and Dr. Dobson may be Hillary's greatest campaign allies! By making yourselves single issue candidates, you're virtually guaranteeing a split of the conservative vote.

I hope you'll be happy when she's elected!
on Nov 02, 2007
What we really need is a candidate that people would vote for instead of Hillary, that isn't a democrat.
on Nov 02, 2007
Congratulations, KFC. You and Dr. Dobson may be Hillary's greatest campaign allies! By making yourselves single issue candidates, you're virtually guaranteeing a split of the conservative vote.


I will not vote against my conscience. I will not compromise my belief. I will continue to pray that I don't have to.

on Nov 02, 2007
I will not vote against my conscience. I will not compromise my belief.


Well, how about just NOT voting if you're going to split the vote and give Hillary the election? The way I see it, by splitting the vote, you and Dr. Dobson may help bring about a socialist state, then you'll sit back on your hands all sanctimonious like and decry the increasing lack of values...when you COULD have prevented it.

On the other hand, it WILL increase Dr. Dobson's listenership and book sales from "Christian" publishers...so it's all good, right?
on Nov 02, 2007
Gid,

Why do I get the feeling you're giving up? First off, we don't know who will be facing off with who right? So like I said, I'm hoping and praying we don't have to be in the middle of this situation of voting for the "lesser" of two evils.

I'm not giving up. I'm going to continue to "watch and pray."

on Nov 02, 2007
We're always going to be voting for the lesser of two evils. No one is righteous.
on Nov 02, 2007
Why do I get the feeling you're giving up?


Probably for the same reason I feel that you and Dobson are using political bullying tactics, demanding that anyone who doesn't march in lock-step with you is somehow not Christian enough. I guess we each have our own views.

I don't want a President who cares what homosexuals do in the privacy of their own homes. I don't want a President who will use a pregnant unwed mother as a political pawn. I want a President who feels that they should lead by example, not make more laws and tighten the nooses around our necks.

I do NOT feel the federal government should have the power that it has, and I WILL NOT support a President who feels it is their duty to INCREASE the federal government's stranglehold on the states. I KNOW the Constitution was written to assign many of these values to the states, and I want a President who knows that as well.
on Nov 02, 2007
I see this in every primary election season. There is a big deal made of the fact that the parties are fractured because no one can seem to rally around a specific candidate. Isn't that the point of the primaries? Aren't primaries about choosing between candidates of the same party running against each other? If you ask me, the though of a primary election where there isn't fractures within scares me a lot more.

More to the point though, I notice something pretty telling about the people at this meeting. While they all agreed to vote for someone other than a Republican if no candidate was against abortion, not one of the movers and shakers at the meeting as willing to stand up and announce his or her intent to run.

If the single issue voters want someone who they can rally around, why are they waiting for someone else to agree to their single issue? Why aren't any of their leaders running?
on Nov 02, 2007

see this in every primary election season.

Lest we forget, that is all it is, and not even that yet. Ihave held my nose before, and I will if need be again, but until next march, I can at least pull for my candidate without compromising anything.

on Nov 02, 2007
I want a President who feels that they should lead by example, not make more laws and tighten the nooses around our necks.


Well we're in agreement here Gid.

The laws for abortion and the homosexual rights are not pushed by the GOP in the first place. So to say I'd like a Prez who is against these things means, the laws in place are eradicated not substantiated. Si I guess I'm not getting your point here about the nooses around our necks. A pro life President and one that is values based is all about freeing us from such laws, not tightening the noose.

If the single issue voters want someone who they can rally around, why are they waiting for someone else to agree to their single issue? Why aren't any of their leaders running?


my question isn't so much that but "why don't they back Huckabee?" He seems to have all the qualifications they want so why not just throw their support behind him? He in reality is one of them. He's a former Southern Baptist Minister.

I feel that you and Dobson are using political bullying tactics, demanding that anyone who doesn't march in lock-step with you is somehow not Christian enough


Oh so now we're bullies because we dare have an opinion Gid? Who's demanding? I'm not. I just am stating I'm not going to vote against my conscience.







on Nov 02, 2007
Who's demanding?


Well, by asserting "I'M not compromising", you are implying that the rest of us ARE. Which is something I resent.

Is it direct bullying? No, it's bullying by peer pressure, the same bullying I got a few years back when I mentioned I wasn't voting, and my small group leader sneered and said "imagine if Bush won and NOBODY voted for him"!



on Nov 02, 2007
"I'M not compromising", you are implying that the rest of us ARE. Which is something I resent.


well geeze Gid, can't you just honor that I'm sticking to my beliefs instead of thinking I'm somehow making you feel/look bad? Why choose the negative? I had no such thought when I said I will not compromise my beliefs. What you do is your business and I won't judge you one whit about what, who or when you choose to vote.

Tak about peer pressure!! What do you think we, who choose to honor our convictions, have? We are constantly being pressured to lower our standards. It's a continuing struggle.



on Nov 02, 2007
What do you think we, who choose to honor our convictions, have?


There it is again. I honor MY convictions, too, KFC. And I do it without lowering my standards.

The truth is, I feel there is a VERY dangerous candidate on the horizon. One who stands out as purely and wholly evil, as opposed to the rest of the field, who may compromise somewhat. I believe that if that individual wins, our nation as we know it will be gone and the true church will have to go underground. Yes, I believe it's that dire. And you and Dr. Dobson are talking about handing her the election to prove a political point. YES, that makes me sick beyond belief, because my country is only preceded in importance to me by my family and God, KFC. And I'm watching you talk about selling it down the river.
on Nov 02, 2007
I would give Hillary 4 years in office in order to cement the place of a third party that might actually do their job when elected, because if you give a third party credence in the current environment, you are going to get some serious third party votes in 2012.
on Nov 02, 2007
So you're willing to sell the country down the river for four years to bring that about?

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