It's only a few kids who are sexually active, so self-control is there now. Offering birth control is normalizing the behavior which will lead to less self-control/deterent in that area.

Didn't you already quote these stats and I already said it was only around 50%, utilizing your stats? If 50% of women say "Blah" and 50% of men say "Blah" that's not 100% of the population saying "Blah". It's 50%. IIRC, you applied each percentage to the total population, not to the male or female population respectively, which gave you a really high, yet wrong number. Regardless, I was speaking of the number of middle school students having sex, which apparently was only a few. That is, under 13, which I think is a bit of a different stat than under 18, and, by default, MUST be less than or equal to the under 18 number. Which is about 50%.

Absolutely. (and they call this "progressive education"!) Progressing towards what?

Follow the educating for sex (sex-ed) lesson plan and you'll see that using birth control is already normalized in the sex-ed classroom. Five sexual libertines at the King Middle School have given themselves the liberty of moving the into the next step..from teaching to use birth control to doling out it out. There are no two ways about it---in doing so they've given a green light to children to engage in recreational sex.

Don't be surprised that the next rung on the progressive sex education step ladder is a lowering on the age of consent.



What's it going to take for people to understand that classroom educating for sex is not the way to go for our youth?

?????

freud originated the concept; it's a key element in his model of psychosexual development. freud was hardly a scientist and there's no scientific evidence to support his 'discovery'/your assertion. nor will there be for obvious reasons.

as a practical matter, if you and sigmund are correct, there's no need for pg-13 movie ratings or parental locks on cable boxes until kids reach puberty. those kids still happily playing with themselves or others don't go to the movies by themselves. even the most precocious would barely be able to read the cable guide or master a remote control. those who were old enough to do any/all those things would all be latents who'd have no interest in that sorta content.

as i attempted to explain in my reply 104, it didn't do a damn thing for me. if by classroom sex educating you mean one 15-minute lecture over the course of 12 school years, i'm in complete agreement.

I agree with you here LW. It is this ignoring or oppressive reaction to something that is normal. This is where I see the parents totally dropping the ball. I can say the same for me when I was around 12 and things started happening. There was no guidance or help with what I was going through. I recall feeling like a freak during this time as my body went through changes. The little birds and bees video was little use. It was a 'feel good' because you are maturing video.

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LW AND KINGBEE,

Thank you both for the lesson on Freud...I learned something new! I had no idea before this that he was connected to "latency period".

I also learned that "latency period" has several conceptual definitions, anywhere from geological to menustrual to psycho-analytical. Freud's type of psycho-analysis being one.

My understanding of "latency period" is as I have described, the period in a child’s development, from about age four to about age twelve, during which sexual drives are latent, meaning potential, but not the sexual genital stage not yet awakened as opposed to the puberty stage. During the latency period, children generally identify with the parent of the same sex and play with other children of the same sex.


I maintain that classroom sex-ed in kindergarten through middle school interrupts and violates children's latency period.

As long as society goes along with schools sexualizing young children through sex-ed programs, we will witness more and more social, emotional, mental, and sexual problems.

there's no clinical data to support or refute that latency period thing. won't be any either as i suggested in my earlier reply because research requires test subjects.

anectdotal evidence has been--and continues to be--collected and analyzed. while that sorta data is far less reliable, no question but that it trumps even the most perceptive intuition.

there was no latency period or anything close to what you're claiming in my life. i can't recall anyone--no matter how shy or sheltered they may have been as children--so much as alluding to such a thing.

my sisters have children as do most adults i know. not one of those parents has ever mentioned or expressed gratitude. relief, etc. because one or another of their kids were safely cocooned in sexual latency. to the contrary, most--if not all--could put together a five-minute standup routine based on the the 'i love lucy-esque' goofy consequences of their prepubescent kids' sexual curiosity.

one more thing: considering sexuality is so major a component of our beings, does a multi-year hiatus during those few years in which we develop into adults seem reasonable? what other major systems go latent during childhood?




i'm in complete agreement with lw.

And parents who don't want their children accessing birth control don't even have to opt out, all they have to do is refuse to sign the permission slip for them to use the clinic.It's that simple, really

Really? It's that simple?

So what happens when little Susie who has very permissive parents goes into the health clinic to get her BC pills to give to little Tammy whose parents aren't quite so permissive? Since Susie has no boyfriend at the moment and Tammy's parents are too UPTIGHT about such things, little Susie just thought she'd help out her best friend.

Who's going to stop that from happening?

Obviously we have to stalk our own children.



Now tell me one thing...when do these 6th graders find time to have sex? Lunchtime? Far as I know you don't have a car or anything in 6th grade so you kinda have to go where your parents take you and you often don't stay out very late either.

Or maybe I'm just out of touch with the younger generation these days...

~Zoo

Now tell me one thing...when do these 6th graders find time to have sex? Lunchtime?

There are more times when they are not under direct eye contact supervision than one would think.  The question is not "when do" but how often is the opportunity.

Zoo,

Have you ever heard the saying, where there is a will, there is a way?

Evidently in the King Middle School debacle, 5 students had the will and found the way.

Have you ever heard the saying, where there is a will, there is a way?

The question is not "when do" but how often is the opportunity.

Well...the hell with romance, I guess.

"Hey Susie, we've got 5 minutes until class...let's hump like rabbits in the stairwell!"

*sigh*  Kids these days...

~Zoo

"Hey Susie, we've got 5 minutes until class...let's hump like rabbits in the stairwell!" *sigh* Kids these days...

These days?  When I was in HS (back in the days of bear skins and stone knives), I heard of this happening at a middle school in my area.  From a parent of one of the Witnesses.

Given it was not first hand, and that kids are known to exagerate, you can take his account as is.  But it is not new.  Perhaps it is just more prevalent now. or more reported.

Good point. Most every school had one or two youngsters in trouble this way, but it didn't take the school system or village to work it through.

This just goes to show how much times have changed..I think, in this case, for the worse.

The difference between back then and now is that schools are educating for sex, so it's stands to reason the amount of sexual activity in youngsters is up...dramatically so. Then sex was a personal word, homosexual was an unheard of word, and abortion was illegal.

Back then, the primary function of education was teaching of facts and subject matter not be human resource centers. Then public schools policies fully supported and assisted parental authority and values.

Then, the concept of institutuionalizing 13 years of sex instruction as a legitimate subject seemed utterly absurd given that no one of the generations before us ever had to attend school
to learn the role of sex in human life. We learned attitudes towards sex from our parents and went through a period of formation, without tons of too much, too soon information. Then, everyone respected that teaching the finer details concerning sexual matters is the right and duty of parents, not that of the State, school board, teacher's unions, or radical ideologues.

Parents alone have the right to be the primary educatiors of their children, particularly in matters of sexuality. They are the ones in the best position to know the development level and individual formational needs of their children. Parental rights and authority over their children is singular and irreplaceable and therefore when they are usurped by others---don't be surprised by the dire consequences such as what we are beginning to see now....

Sorry to rant on and on DrG.