Rant on. I was not excusing or appologizing for it, only pointing out it was happening before. How bad was the problem? I never saw it as a kid, nor did my kids see it. But I will not fool myself into thinking it did not happen.

Well, ya. For sure, sex happens, always has and always will ..but then, and I'm sure you'll agree, society looked down upon premarital sex..it happened and those involved quietly got married. Then society looked down upon all forms of sexual promiscuity..there were no movies or TV shows that fostered or promoted it, or put it in a good, or humorous light in any way, shape or form.

I really understand what my parents meant when they said ah, the good ol days.

Spoken like one who has never studied the history of film.

It was mainly INVENTED as a media for pornography. Most of the first films were filled to the brim with "sexual promiscuity".

You've really got your head in the sand about this stuff, Lula. Things haven't changed all that much in the course of human existence. You just fool yourself into thinking it has.

No I agree with Lula SC. I guess that means I'm snorting sand as well, eh? I still remember watching I Love Lucy and their not being able to show her being pregnant with her first child. When they showed their bedroom, or any others for that matter, twin beds were always in view. They were very careful in the early days not to mention or even hint of a sexual relationship even within marriage.

That's why when Elvis showed up shaking his pelvis, parents went into shock. Ha!! Today that's tame, wouldn't you say?

Over the years, it's been really easy to see the progression of innocence turned to smut especially on our local TVs.

Compare the TV families of yesteryear....Brady Bunch, Leave It To Beaver, Andy Griffith Show, A Family Affair, Waltons, even the Bill Cosby Show, etc. and try to replace them with modern TV. Big difference.

ignorance is bliss, huh?

i remember one of my 8th grade catholic school classmates, the only son and oldest child of aggressively religious parents, bragging about having looked up the word 'sex' in a dictionary. two years later, i found myself in a conversation with this same kid when i realized what he'd been telling me about a 'really cool new friend' with whom he'd been hanging wasn't at all what he'd naively believed it to be. by naive, i mean he was so clueless i wasn't able to convince him this 20-somethin who'd been molesting him had anything but the kid's best interests at heart. to assure himself i was mistaken, he asked his mom who went batshit, condemning her son on whom she blamed the whole sordid mess. for the next couple years, he was forbidden to leave the house except in her company or to go to school. she hauled him to the daily morning mass she attended when school was out for the summer. one day after he graduated hs, she turned him over to the us navy.

when i ran into him one last time several years later, he was on leave and had most recently been in the philippines. he hadda girlfriend in manila...a hooker with a couple kids. he gave most of his money to her to help support the children; he also claimed he'd never slept with her...because they weren't ready yet. (come to think of it, he may be related to lucas.)

while prowlin the net a few months ago, i decided to google him and found a link to a schedule of masses at our former parish for some week in 2002. one of em was dedicated to his memory.

dunno how or when he died, but i believe him to be--along with those two girls mentioned at the end of my reply #104--casualties of an inhumane and dehumanizing system you're hoping to revive and reinflict on america's children.

i have no idea what became of my other 55 or 56 elementary school classmates and i'd prefer to keep it that way. a 5% ignorance casualty rate is depressing enuff for me.

That situation isn't what we're trying to revive. It's really hard to overcome what stupid parents come up with. That parent probably would have opted out of sex-ed for her child anyway. That parent would've still blamed it on that kid instead of putting the blame with the perpetrator.

Lula posts:

KFC POSTS:

Kingbee posts:

So, things haven't changed that much, Kingbee?

Assuming that you've seen a few of these TV programs that KFC offered as examples, think what the father figure portrayed in the family. And then, if you can, name one TV show today that portrays the father in this same light.

Today's culture of radical feminism and homosexualism is telling us the lie that fathers such as these aren't "cool" and aren't needed. Men in general and fathers in particular are portrayed as far less smart than women, half as "able" around the house, and certainly not strong providers, leaders and protecters. Hollywood and the TV media are eating it up...and spewing it back to us in our living rooms.

Ya, right, things haven't changed that much. Today good is evil and evil is good, that's how radically much things have changed.
What else is changed is how people label these changes...this King Middle School debacle is repugnant to me and wonderfully progressive to others.

PS.....

In the above post # 139, Please excuse my error of putting Kingbee as the poster instead of San Chonino.

The grandparent's total disregard for the lives of their children and grandchildren bugs me to no end. How could you not love your grandbaby, even if it's coming out of your 8th grader?

Would this be an appreciation of convenience vs. life?