Me too, but I think I would hand out way too many... a lot of insightful people around here.

My point is, the issue should never have even been abortion. The fact that abortion is an issue at all shows that religion is failing to control politics. People don't even take issue anymore with things that cause lust. At least, those that do have fallen into the 'old man on the porch, yelling at the youngsters' stage, where they make a lot of noise, then say "Kids these days," and fail to do anything about it. If they even tried, they would be shouted down by Christians and non-Christians alike of being intolerant. Well, I am intolerant of the way I end up feeling due to the culture. Turn on the TV, there's lust. Drive down the highway, lust is on the billboards. It overloads our senses, makes us dissatisfied with what we have, turns us on. It leads to divorce, affairs, sex before marriage, sex being the be-all and end-all of everything.

We just keep heading to Satan's perfect world, where everything is permissible, nothing has a consequence, except not permitting things or enforcing a consequence. That will have DIRE consequences.

How very pendantic of you. Stats show that making abortion illegal does not reduce the number of women seeking abortion -- all it does is increase the number of women who die from them.



Not everyone agrees that it is "taking a life." That said, I'm always shocked to see this argument (there is little sympathy for the dead woman) -- how terribly Christian of you. The notion that someone could assign more value to a fetus than they do to a living, breathing woman blows my mind.

Jythier -- you need to do some research on this issue. Abortion has been around for centuries -- it is not new. In fact, the abortion rate has been steadily declining since the 1980s.

Besides, the US isn't meant to be a state where religion controls politics. It is not a theocracy.

You seem to think that making abortion illegal will stop it from happening. That is simply not the case -- and you only have to look at Nicaragua to see this. It outlawed all abortion in November of 2006 (previously allowing "theraputic abortions) and in less than a year there have been 82 documented cases of women dying from unsafe, illegal abortions.

Of the 46 million abortions occurring worldwide each year, 20 million take place in countries where abortion is prohibited by law. (Source: “Facts in Brief: Induced Abortion Worldwide, 2003,” Alan Guttmacher Institute). There is little relationship between making abortion illegal and reducing the number of abortions that happen -- the relationship is between legality of abortion and safety. Again, when abortion is illegal, women die.

Pedantic perhaps?

But I would like to see the statistics on that. Do you have a link showing the number of illegal abortions prior to Roe v. Wade versus the number after? And also the number of women dieing from abortions pre and post. While I fully understand that these numbers cannot be taken as gospel since abortions were not universally illegal prior to 1973, at least it will be a starting point for a discussion on your claim.

It's an impossible statistic, shades. You can only report number of abortions in an abortion-legal society, and you will only see true abortion-related death statistics in an abortion-illegal society.

You seem to think, though, that 'legal' = 'safe'.

I've always wondered if all the people who are anti-abortion are anti birth control pill. It is afterall "birth control" not "conception control". If it is a preborn baby at conception, then the pill is killing "preborn" also. It just isn't confirmable since the "preborn" isn't allowed to attach and be detected.

People talk about women using abortion for convenience. I doubt that is the case. I know it is certainly convenient to be able to take the pill and be able to have sex with one's husband without popping out baby after baby. I also know, after having two miscarriages that were considered incomplete and needing the procedure to complete them which is basically an abortion, there is nothing convenient about it and it isn't an experience that anyone in their right mind would want to repeat.

I've always found it amusing how easy it is for men to be so black and white about abortion. It's clear to them that I woman should be made to carry a child and possibley do permanent damage to their body and mind. I bet you anything it would be a far different world if men were capable of carrying the baby. Wouldn't that be great if a man forced themself on a woman, she gets pregnant then he's forced to have the baby?!

If a woman has the right (which I certainly believe she does) to take the birth control pill, she should have the right to choose to abort a baby in the first trimester. Late term abortion is a completely different matter.

Question Jythier.

Are you the product of your culture?

Perhaps you would like to highlight that statistic requoted above in her link? Or perhaps you just misunderstood the written english word again.

"Are you the product of your culture?"

Please be more specific.

Here's information on a recent study about this: WWW Link

Do you believe you are a product of your culture? Meaning that who you are, who we are, is directly linked and resulted by our culture.

The reason I ask is you sound like you believe this way when you state:

The culture has an effect on me, to be sure. It affects everyone. Some more than others.

And what differentiates 'more than others?'