Does Evil Exist?
Published on September 8, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
Got this story from a friend and thought it was quite thought provoking. Does evil exist or is it better stated that evil is just the absence of something good?



Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes sir," the student says.

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

"Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"

"Er...yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student falters. "From God"

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"

"Yes."

"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."

Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."

The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him."

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir, I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"

"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees."

"Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word."

"In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought."

"It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."

"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."

The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir."

"So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."

"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"

Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.


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on Sep 12, 2007
You are not representing St.Thomas' writings fairly.

Rape is an evil act. In your example and applied it to St. Thomas' definition of evil, then rape would be the defiency of a good.

now, pulling this through, rape is an evil act, evil being something privative, cannot be the term of a postive creative act; therefore rape cannot be a positive creative act.

Rape is neither a positive nor creative act. Evil is neither a positive nor creative act.


Think ALoud posts:
I am not representing him fairly? Your comment proves my point. you didnt answer my arguement at all , you just repeat what Thomas said.

it is nonsense, sorry to say that. but there is no other word to describe it.

I asked what is "the good" that was absent during the act of rape.

what is your answer to that? just vague undefined terms?


THinkAloud,

If you honestly think that what I said above (highlighted) is just vague terms, then I'll chock this up to playing word games with you and end it here.

on Sep 12, 2007
Love. Mercy. Not to mention the innocence sucked out of the victim.
on Sep 12, 2007

To the (partial) point of the original story...

I always grin when people seem determined to place science and religion in conflict.  The conflict doesn't exist because of anything said by the core of religion or the core of science.  It's there because individuals from either camp are determined to use their side to debunk the other.

The Bible says God  created man.  There is no detailed explanation of the process.

The Bible says a lot of different things about the state of the world, but doesn't delve very deep into the mechanics, or really the steps taken to reach that state.

Science talks about the details, Religion talks about the end-result.

The two are not incompatible on their own.  People and their own narrow views create the conflict.

on Sep 12, 2007
The Bible says God created man. There is no detailed explanation of the process.


Science talks about the details, Religion talks about the end-result.


Zoomba,

You are definitely on to something!

I always understood the sphere of theology as the highest form of science. What science discovers is already existent by the will of God. Science has it mysteries as does religion. Science deals with truth regarding natural things, religion deals with truth regarding supernatural things.

The two are not incompatible on their own.


Religion and science call for belief by both faith and study.

Faith proceeds all study. Religion begins with Divine faith that will not and cannot deceive, whereas science begins with human faith that is fallible.


on Sep 12, 2007
How does the way the Holy Spirit guides the Church apply to Jews and Muslims?


Christ promised He would be with the Church until the consummation of the world and that the gates of Hell would not prevail. One of the ways Christ fulfilled His promise was to send the Holy Spirit to guide her.

Are you saying the Holy Spirit guides those Jews in the synagague?
or the Muslims in the Mosques?
on Sep 12, 2007
God do not allow regular humans to make sacred rules and concepts on His behalf.


So Says you?
on Sep 12, 2007
I can't agree with you when you say God created EVERYTHING. God didn't create Satan and He didn't create evil. God did not create or cause the evil things we humans DO either.


So God did not Create everything?and He didnt Create Satan?

How can you explain Gen3.1: "Now the serpent was more crafty than any other wild animal that the Lord had made"

wasnt the serpent Satan in disguise?

If God didnt creat Satan or evil, who created them?

I honestly cant even understand what you are saying.


You said God created everything.

I said no, He didn't. For example, God didn't create my house, nor the sidewalks, nor the shopping mall, etc. etc. etc.......

God didn't create Satan. He created a pure spirit, an angel named Lucifer. He also created Michael the archangel and Gabriel and millions of other angels. All were created good, and with free will. Once Lucifer and the other angels disobeyed and rebelled against God and were cast down to Hell, Lucifer became known as Satan and the angels as demons.

Satan's act of rebellion and disobedience was the first act of evil or sin. After this, in the Garden, Satan took possession of a serpent and tempted Eve.

Genesis 1:25 tells us that God created "everything that creepeth on the earth... and God saw that it was good."

From this we learn that in the Garden Satan took possession of a serpent and tempted Eve.

on Sep 13, 2007
I'm curious....WHY is the way I talk about the Lord God so disturbing to you?


I just told you, because of what you sometimes say about Him. I am sure you mean well and good. but read what you say in comment # 56:

The main lesson is how we can help God with His desire that all men be saved.


God doesnt need any help from anyone Lula. HE IS GOD.

on Sep 13, 2007

God doesnt need any help from anyone Lula. HE IS GOD.


I put it this way TA. God doesn't need help but he wants to involve us in his plan. That's an awesome God.
on Sep 13, 2007
The Chruch's dogmatic statements are not the same as God's self-revelation. They are the medium through which Catholics place their faith in God. For example, the mystery of the Blessed Trinity which we've discussed at length is a Church dogma.


That is what i mean by "disturbing" lula.

The Church states a "Dogma" which is not based on any of God's Direct Revelation and the Dogma is called Scared just like God's revelations.

to me that is very disturbing because i think you mean well but these statements dont convey that at all. may be i am wrong. I hope others look at what you say with less scrutiny.
on Sep 13, 2007
The OLd and New Testaments of Sacred Scripture (SS) is God's only written Word and every one of the Books of Sacred Scripture was written by His chosen writers (His Messengers you call them) under Divine Inspiration of the Holy Spirit. So, Sacred Scripture is inspired by God. 2Tim 3:16.


In no way i called the writers "messengers". The writers ARE the writers. they wrote what they did many years After the messengers returned to their creator. The messengers are very few, like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph , Moses, Jesus, David, and all the other very special names we all know. The disciples are companions and pious men but not messengers. Their writings are subject to their own thinking and wordings UNLESS it was written during those messengers' lives and verified by them. Anything they wrote After those messengers' death is just their own and to be judged based on what had been written while the messengers were alive.
on Sep 13, 2007
Are you saying the Holy Spirit guides those Jews in the synagague?
or the Muslims in the Mosques?


No, i am saying the inspiration is what guides all of the leaders of those institutions. The HS (which is Archangel Gabriel)was only sent to messengers and prophets with God's Direct word. Since the Church leaders as you said are not messengers or prophets, then the HS is not involved in what they say or write. It is their own ideas and thinking based on inspirations and that comes to all humans.
on Sep 13, 2007
So Says you?


Noooo. Not me. Him .... God says that. Even messenegrs and prophets are not allowed to change any of His words or commands or make new ones on their own. It is Him who dictates the rules. They are just to deliver them. that is why they are called "messengers".
on Sep 13, 2007
You said God created everything.

I said no, He didn't. For example, God didn't create my house, nor the sidewalks, nor the shopping mall, etc. etc. etc.......

God didn't create Satan. He created a pure spirit, an angel named Lucifer. He also created Michael the archangel and Gabriel and millions of other angels. All were created good, and with free will. Once Lucifer and the other angels disobeyed and rebelled against God and were cast down to Hell, Lucifer became known as Satan and the angels as demons


First let's get something clear in our minds here (all of us): making things of existing materials IS NOT CREATION. It is manufacturing. so your house and all the rest of what we use were not CREATED. They were built from things that others manufactured from resources that God CREATED. I dont think there is ANY disagreement on that. is there?

Just becuase Lucifer and other arrogant angels disobeyed God by their own choice they become not a CREATION by God? i dont think so. It is like us, when we sin we dont become creations of anyone other than God. Do we?

on Sep 13, 2007
I put it this way TA. God doesn't need help but he wants to involve us in his plan. That's an awesome God.


of course we are involved. That doesnt mean we are helping Him.

Saying God needs help is in my own thinking is degrading Him. if you mean to say we are involved, fine then say that but not that he needs our help.

Since you realize He is awesome then there is no reason to say He needs help.
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