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Published on April 5, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In History
As a student of the bible, I love to hear about the discoveries that have over the years only given much credence to this book. There have been many stories of brilliant minds that have attempted to disprove the scriptures only to succumb to the realization that the bible is truly a magnificant piece of literature unlike any other.

William Albright, known for his reputation as one of the great archaeologists, said: "There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition."

He also said: "The exessive skepticism shown toward the Bible by important historical schools of the 18th & 19th centuires, certain phases of which still appear periodically, has been progressively discredited. Discovery after discovery has established the accuracy of innumerable details, and has brought increased recognititon to the value of the Bible as a source of history."

Millar Burrows of Yale observes: "Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. it has shown in a number of instances that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artifical schemes of historical development."

He also exposes the cause of much unbelief: "The excessive skepticism of many liberal theologians stems not from a careful evaluation of the available data, but from an enormous predisposition against the supernatural."

This is still true today. How many of us are coming to the table with our predisposed beliefs based on what we've just picked up along the way? I hear alot of repititon from those that have no idea where they've heard such and such. It's like gossip. They are picking up and passing on what they have had whispered in their ears. I did this myself for a while until I realized I really had nothing to back myself up on other than what I heard from another.

He adds: "On the whole, archaelogical work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine". :

Sir William Ramsay is regarded as one of the greatest archaeologists ever to have lived. He was a student in the German historical school of the mid 19th century. He believed the Book of Acts was a product of the mid 2nd century AD. He was very convinced of this belief. In his research to make a topographical study of Asia Minor he was compelled to consider the writings of Luke, the physician. As a result he was forced to do a complete reversal of his beliefs due to the overwhelming evidence uncovered in his research. He said this about his change of mind:

"I may fairly claim to have entered on this investigation without prejudice in favor of the conclusion which I shall now seek to justify to the reader. On the contrary, I began with a mind unfavorable to it, for the ingenuity and apparent completness of the Tubingen theory had at one time quite convinced me. it did not then lie in my line of life to investigate the subject minutely; but more recenly I found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topgraphy , antiquities and socieity of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth. In fact, beginning with a fixed idea that the work was essentially a 2nd century composition and never relying on its evidence as trustworthy for first century conditions, I gradually came to find it a useful ally in some obscure and difficult investigations."

Ramsay concluded after 30 years of study that "Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy......."this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians." Ramsay also says: "Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness."

To even consider this book coming from an all powerful God it MUST meet certain requirements. It has to be transmitted to us accurately from the time it was originally written so we have exactly what God wanted us to have. Next it must be correct when it deal with dates, events and places. A book that has these things mixed up has no right to claim it comes from an infallible God.

If you test the NT documents with the same standard of tests applied to any of the Greek classics, the evidence overwhelmingly favors the NT. If someone states that we have a reliable text of classics, then that same person would be forced to admit that the NT is also just as reliable.

Actually many don't realize that the original NT copies were in better textual shape than the 37 plays of Shakespeare written in the 17th century, after the invention of printing. In every one of his plays there are gaps in the printed text where we have no idea what originally was said. Textual scholars were forced to make good guesses to fill in the blanks. With the abundance of existing manuscripts of the NT we know nothing has been lost through the transmission of the text.

Those who contend that the Bible is unreliable historically are not historians or archeologists. While I can't prove the bible is inspired or written by the very hand of God, (although I believe it to be true,) I do believe the evidence supports the claim the Bible certainly is the very word of God.



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on Jan 22, 2008
If you scoff at my response, I would say that your purpose is to worship your imaginary friend.


who's doing the scoffing here? Certainly not me.

If you want to know what I believe in, I believe in myself, I am not perfect, but hay when that happens, lets say I am just testing myself.


and if you did read scripture you'd realize that what you just said comes from the spirit of the anti-christ (See Isaiah 14) and is precisely what we were warned about all thru the NT. It's all about me. Notice the "I's" in your statement. Did you know that I is the center of PRIDE? Pride is the opposite of humility.

When we create a a painting on a wall, an ant farm on a shelf, a pizza in the refrigerator. Do we expect those things to glorify us?


Some do. Many do what they do to glorify themselves. They crave man's affirmation. God says we are to give him the glory in all that we do. Our very breath comes from him. That's why you see on occasion an athlete point to heaven or thank God for their accomplishments. They are giving God the glory for their talent.







on Jan 22, 2008
Isn't it more likely that the real answer is
We exist, because god took a dump one day.
God isn't even really aware of us.
If an entity had the powers you sway he had, why would he waste time with us?
Isn't it more likely that we are just a painting on a wall, an ant farm on a shelf, a pizza in the refrigerator. Do we expect those things to glorify us?
Why would he even want us to know he exists?


God is more powerful than you can imagine. We exist because God wanted us to exist for His purpose - why would God do anything without a purpose for it? He doesn't just do things, he does things for a purpose. Always.

He would not waste time with us at all, of course. One, because time is something that He created. Two, he is so powerful, that he can be with all of us at once. Look at all of our hearts at once. He doesn't have to pick and choose who to bless, he has the power to bless ALL at the same time. He is everything, can do everything, knows everything.

He created us to bring glory to Him. How He accomplishes that through us is beyond me, but that's the purpose. And, if we did not know he existed, how could we bring him any glory?

The Bible spells it out for us, but the beauty of creation shows us better than any book could.
on Jan 22, 2008
God is more powerful than you can imagine.
Even god had to take a rest on the seventh day, so I can imagine a god that doesn't need to take a rest (imagination is easy). So I guess that 'blows that statement out of the water'

He doesn't just do things, he does things for a purpose. Always.
Always? that is a pretty strong statement. What exacty was the purpose for creating the devil?

on Jan 22, 2008
If we were created, who created us? The Creator. And for what purpose did He create us? For His own purpose, which is to say, His glory. Which is to say, if we are not spending our lives living for His glory, we are living the wrong way. Which is to say, we have sinned.


So...you're saying we live to worship...and that's all? That's all there is to life is singing praises on high to some being that we can't hear or see? What kind of life is that? What kind of arrogant God creates people because he feels the need to have someone praise him? Isn't that a little shallow?

That's no different than a tyrant. "Love me or suffer for eternity! Don't question me for I know what's best for you! Sing my praises and offer me tribute while I cause you pain and strife and reject any call for help you send me! Praise me when things are good, but do not blame me when things are bad!"

I like to the purpose of life is a little more complex. As in finding out mysteries to things on your own, finding love, living well and developing meaningful relationships. That's the kind of God I like to believe in...not some moody child that needs constant attention. I can't live in perpetual adoration of someone I've never met and who dishes out more bad than good in this world. You may say Satan's responsible...*psh* never heard a peep from him either. I just try to be moral...that's all. I'm not intentionally evil and I'm not wholeheartedly good...I just live and make do. I think that's what life is about. Living your life solely and only to worship makes it an empty life. Sure, you can worship here and there...but every second of the day is absolutely impossible and will take the sheer pleasure out of everything else you could experience.

Keep in mind, dear Christian JUers, I've never once said I was an atheist. However, I don't buy into the entire institution that is/are the Christian Church(es). I do have some belief in a God...but I have so many conflicts with the so-called "wisdom" that the Bible hands down. Some things are fine, some things not so much. I prefer to believe what I can see and what makes sense to me and have faith in those things of which I cannot.

Then we come to the term of purpose...what is my purpose? what is my place? It's whatever I make it. There is no universal purpose...to each his own, so to speak. You find a niche where you're happy and then you live there...fulfilled.

I'll find my own purpose and perhaps I'll find God along the way...we'll have to see.

Blech...that was longer than I thought it would be...

~Zoo
on Jan 22, 2008
KFC, I guess if your prupose in starting this thread was to convert me, you had the opposite effect. Looking up some of your facts, I found a lot of things that just reinforced my disbelief in your imaginary friend. Including the complete debunking of Behe, and a much better understanding of evolution. I unfortunatly did not run across any new info about creation, except for what Behe said, I did start to doubt evolution after my first looks at Behe, but then I looked at the counter arguments.

There were several other websites, that didn't have anything to do with what you were talking about, but I ran across them by accident. Here is a good one, you will like it, lots of scripture being quoted.
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp

Have a nice life.
on Jan 22, 2008
Zoo:

Worship is more than just singing. Bringing glory to God doesn't just have to do with singing. Singing is a great way to corporately worship Him, though, which is why it is done.

A tyrant did not create you, the world, or anything else. God did. He is deserving of our worship, which is the difference.

As for the purpose being more complex than just His glory, yeah, it can be. But that's the main thing, the thing that brings everything else together.

As for heaven and hell, one has God in it, the other does not. God gives you the opportunity, if you love Him, to go to heaven and be with Him. If you do not love Him, why would you want to be with Him? You would probably be more comfortable in Hell than with God in heaven anyway.

Satan and his demons are doing works on this Earth. God and His angels are, too. But it's only going to get worse and worse until Jesus comes back.

As for God needing our attention, please. God doesn't need our attention - he just wants it, so that you will know Him better.

Living your life solely and only to worship makes it an empty life. Sure, you can worship here and there...but every second of the day is absolutely impossible and will take the sheer pleasure out of everything else you could experience.


Everything else you could experience will pale in comparison to the worship of God for all eternity. That's where pleasure is. The stuff here is fed to you by Satan in order to make you content with something less than what you are capable of feeling.
on Jan 22, 2008
Lula posts:
And don't forget, you are a true believer in ET and it takes greater faith to believe in it than it does in Biblical Creation.


SC posts:
I disagree. I think that the faith to believe either is equal. Why in the world do you think that it takes more to believe the one that has basis in science?


SC, at least we agree that it takes faith to believe in Evolution Theory...but aren't you contradicting yourself here?

I mean, if ET (amoeba to man; progressive development of one kind into a completely different kind with new DNA) has a basis in science then, it seems to me that ET wouldn't be theory and not need faith to believe, right?

To answer your question....it's very simple really. It's because we have God's revealed Revelation, both written, (Scripture) and oral(Tradition) that it's easier to have faith in Biblical Creation. God is the Author of Creation, of life and of nature as related to matter, and also the Author of Revelation in which He describes (through human writers) our beginnings and His plan of salvation.

I've been studying ET for years ever since my children were being spoon fed ET as fact. I understand the hold that ET has on people.

Above you say that ET has basis in science. But in reality, it doesn't. ET is speculative and one after another myth has been debunked. There is no actual scientific evidence to account for the origin of species. Rather, the discoveries made by sciences in the study of evloutionary processes enforce the belief of Design in nature.









on Jan 22, 2008
SomewhereinND posts:
Lulapilgrim, again with the biochemistry argument?


Did you visit the following site?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html


First, I appreciate your patience with me regarding your repeated requests for me to check out these sites.

Yes, I just checked it out. It mixes truth with error. I acknowledge and believe that evolution (small "e") that is, change within kind or species through genetic variation, mutation, etc. is, has been and will continue to occur.

But, as you know, evolution within kind is not what I've been referring to here in this thread. It's Macro-Evolution, Amoeba to man---that over time, one species has changed into a completely different one. Macro-Evolution is a lie that's been being successfully bandied about as truth and fact.

Now, today, we know different. Scientific research has gained many new insights as a result of an immense amount of new discoveries in many disciplines including biochemistry, molecular biology, genetics, geology and astronomy. It is now known with a high degree of certainity, that the Creator's design of DNA will not allow Macro-Evolution to occur. Irreducible complexity is one of concepts that has helped us understand why one species can't evolve into a whole new and different one.

The more we know about molecules, DNA, cells, etc. through real science, the less plausible ET becomes. ET believers want us to believe that DNA came into existence by means of nothing more than a series of random accidents starting with a prehistoric puddle of slime! ET scientists want us to believe this, yet none of it has been observed or empirically tested in labs. And they tell us they want to keep faith out of classrooms! Go figure.



on Jan 22, 2008
Worship is more than just singing.


I wasn't talking about actual singing...just using the term "singing praises" as constantly spewing compliments.

A tyrant did not create you, the world, or anything else. God did.


A tyrant is: An absolute ruler who governs without restrictions. How is that different from what we're led to believe about God? Does he not lay down all the rules?

As for God needing our attention, please. God doesn't need our attention - he just wants it, so that you will know Him better.


But God and his works aren't capable of being known...what's the point?

Everything else you could experience will pale in comparison to the worship of God for all eternity.


So...your idea of a perfect afterlife is standing around saying, "Gee, God you're so awesome." forever and ever and ever and ever? Wouldn't that get...you know, boring after the first few infinity years?

~Zoo



on Jan 22, 2008
Maybe. I'll let you know after the first infinity years pass.
on Jan 22, 2008
Maybe. I'll let you know after the first infinity years pass.


Hey, don't get ahead of yourself. You're not dead yet.

~Zoo
on Jan 22, 2008
How is that different from what we're led to believe about God? Does he not lay down all the rules?


Yes, Zoo, He does..As the Creator, he gets to lay down the rules of engagement in life. They are for our own good and happiness, both here on earth and ultimately in eternal life. We, being the created ones, must obey or reap the consequences.

That's why some people prefer to believe in Godless ET.. with it they as descended from brute animals can act like animals and get to make our own decisions about right and wrong, good and evil...


on Jan 22, 2008
Always? that is a pretty strong statement. What exacty was the purpose for creating the devil?


He didn't. THe devil was a beautiful cherub. He was a quite powerful and beautiful angel. He was created with free will and he exercised it taking one third of the angels with him. But even so, God allowed it and it is all part of his plan.

Even god had to take a rest on the seventh day,


hahahahah no! God didn't rest because he was tired. God rested because he was FINISHED. Scripture says that he created the earth with his fingers. But when it came time to sacrifice his son, he had to bare his arm like you would when you have a hard task ahead of you. It was more work to die for our sins than it was to create the whole universe. Think about the love involved in that one.

That's no different than a tyrant. "Love me or suffer for eternity!


It's not really funny, but most people when they think of God think of him with a stern face wielding a big heavy club ready to strike them down. That is so not even close to the truth.

Do you remember Christ weeping? He wept when he had to bring Lazarus back. He wept over Jerusalem because he knew they were going away from Him. He knew they were missing all the blessings he had in store for them, if they would only take and believe what he was offering them.

Do you remember Christ on the cross crying out Abba Father? Do you know what that means? Later Paul said this:

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” Galatians 4:6

Abba Father is like saying "Daddy." Can you picture a God like that? When Jesus taught us to pray “Our Father” in Matthew He used the same Greek word “Pater” — “Abba Father.” American children say daddy, but in the Middle East they say, “Abba - Abba.” Jesus says that we can call the great God of the universe, “Daddy.” I’m so glad that our Heavenly Father never gets too busy running this universe and commanding the angels that He forgets us. He wants to be with you like there is no one else on earth and nothing else for Him to do. That's the God I worship Zoo.

I don't buy into the entire institution that is/are the Christian Church(es). I do have some belief in a God...but I have so many conflicts with the so-called "wisdom" that the Bible hands down.


A statement and question for ya. Even the demons believe in God. Many have a superficial belief in the creator God but not one they are willing to go out on a limb for. Have you ever sat down and read the bible? I mean really give it some honest time and thought?




on Jan 22, 2008
KFC, I guess if your prupose in starting this thread was to convert me,


Nope. You really think my purpose was to convert you? First off it's not my job to convert anyone. Second of all if you notice the date of this article, it was all but dead when someone resurrected it. Hmmmmmmm maybe it was God......  

Including the complete debunking of Behe,


I don't follow Behe at all. He's a theoevolutionist and I don't agree with him so don't let that dissuade you.

There were several other websites, that didn't have anything to do with what you were talking about


would you like to check out a Christian Science website? You can check this one out for starters. WWW Link

on Jan 22, 2008
That's why some people prefer to believe in Godless ET.. with it they as descended from brute animals can act like animals and get to make our own decisions about right and wrong, good and evil...


Really? That's the whole issue? *psh* There's nothing Godless about evolution nor is there anything Godful in it. Science is science...it exists without religious connotations in either direction. We are human, we are animals...that is our classification and that is our inherent behavior. However, as humans we take our behavior a bit higher into complex thinking and thus we are able (for the most part) to overcome base animalistic urges. Whether that counts as divinity for you is purely your own decision...but in essense we are animals...we are made of the same material, we eat the same things, we die the same way...we are animals, but we are not beasts.

Abba Father is like saying "Daddy." Can you picture a God like that? When Jesus taught us to pray “Our Father” in Matthew He used the same Greek word “Pater” — “Abba Father.” American children say daddy, but in the Middle East they say, “Abba - Abba.” Jesus says that we can call the great God of the universe, “Daddy.” I’m so glad that our Heavenly Father never gets too busy running this universe and commanding the angels that He forgets us. He wants to be with you like there is no one else on earth and nothing else for Him to do. That's the God I worship Zoo.


'Tis a God I wouldn't mind worshipping...were I shown this to be ultimately true. I've never felt it nor have I seen it. Maybe someday I'll reevaluate my views if something happens to move me. As of yet, I'm still waiting to see that Father(or more appropriately for a creator, mother) figure.

A statement and question for ya. Even the demons believe in God. Many have a superficial belief in the creator God but not one they are willing to go out on a limb for. Have you ever sat down and read the bible? I mean really give it some honest time and thought?


I've never seen a demon. I won't go out on a limb for something I'm not entirely comfortable with. I've read bits and pieces of the Bible...I don't know all the stories, but I've picked up most of the lessons and it's those universal lessons that I follow. Treating people well with decency and kindness when it's due. That's all I really need from that particular book. I wish I could have some spiritual awakening to feel that confidence...but I haven't and I won't commit to anything that's not been proven to me. I'll live by the basic moral code of the Bible because I feel it's a good way to live...other than that I won't submit to a dogma that seems flakey to me at best.

~Zoo
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