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Published on April 5, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In History
As a student of the bible, I love to hear about the discoveries that have over the years only given much credence to this book. There have been many stories of brilliant minds that have attempted to disprove the scriptures only to succumb to the realization that the bible is truly a magnificant piece of literature unlike any other.

William Albright, known for his reputation as one of the great archaeologists, said: "There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition."

He also said: "The exessive skepticism shown toward the Bible by important historical schools of the 18th & 19th centuires, certain phases of which still appear periodically, has been progressively discredited. Discovery after discovery has established the accuracy of innumerable details, and has brought increased recognititon to the value of the Bible as a source of history."

Millar Burrows of Yale observes: "Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. it has shown in a number of instances that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artifical schemes of historical development."

He also exposes the cause of much unbelief: "The excessive skepticism of many liberal theologians stems not from a careful evaluation of the available data, but from an enormous predisposition against the supernatural."

This is still true today. How many of us are coming to the table with our predisposed beliefs based on what we've just picked up along the way? I hear alot of repititon from those that have no idea where they've heard such and such. It's like gossip. They are picking up and passing on what they have had whispered in their ears. I did this myself for a while until I realized I really had nothing to back myself up on other than what I heard from another.

He adds: "On the whole, archaelogical work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine". :

Sir William Ramsay is regarded as one of the greatest archaeologists ever to have lived. He was a student in the German historical school of the mid 19th century. He believed the Book of Acts was a product of the mid 2nd century AD. He was very convinced of this belief. In his research to make a topographical study of Asia Minor he was compelled to consider the writings of Luke, the physician. As a result he was forced to do a complete reversal of his beliefs due to the overwhelming evidence uncovered in his research. He said this about his change of mind:

"I may fairly claim to have entered on this investigation without prejudice in favor of the conclusion which I shall now seek to justify to the reader. On the contrary, I began with a mind unfavorable to it, for the ingenuity and apparent completness of the Tubingen theory had at one time quite convinced me. it did not then lie in my line of life to investigate the subject minutely; but more recenly I found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topgraphy , antiquities and socieity of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth. In fact, beginning with a fixed idea that the work was essentially a 2nd century composition and never relying on its evidence as trustworthy for first century conditions, I gradually came to find it a useful ally in some obscure and difficult investigations."

Ramsay concluded after 30 years of study that "Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy......."this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians." Ramsay also says: "Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness."

To even consider this book coming from an all powerful God it MUST meet certain requirements. It has to be transmitted to us accurately from the time it was originally written so we have exactly what God wanted us to have. Next it must be correct when it deal with dates, events and places. A book that has these things mixed up has no right to claim it comes from an infallible God.

If you test the NT documents with the same standard of tests applied to any of the Greek classics, the evidence overwhelmingly favors the NT. If someone states that we have a reliable text of classics, then that same person would be forced to admit that the NT is also just as reliable.

Actually many don't realize that the original NT copies were in better textual shape than the 37 plays of Shakespeare written in the 17th century, after the invention of printing. In every one of his plays there are gaps in the printed text where we have no idea what originally was said. Textual scholars were forced to make good guesses to fill in the blanks. With the abundance of existing manuscripts of the NT we know nothing has been lost through the transmission of the text.

Those who contend that the Bible is unreliable historically are not historians or archeologists. While I can't prove the bible is inspired or written by the very hand of God, (although I believe it to be true,) I do believe the evidence supports the claim the Bible certainly is the very word of God.



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on Jan 16, 2008
The condition of being/remaining anonymous is one the beauties of the discussion format on JU. KFC has a right to that just as we all do.


That's where you're wrong, lula, and if you really think one's web presence is truly anonymous in any way, you must be delusional.


Well this is news to me, so then call me delusional although I'd prefer dense or naive!

In addition, 'KFC' either admitting or denying that 'WS' is her son doesn't exactly reveal any personal information, either, unless one thinks that fabricated nicknames constitute 'personal information.'


This is more in line with where I was coming from in bringing up the value of anonymity. I'm saying that getting personal info about one person could lead to getting personal info about another.
on Jan 16, 2008
Let me introduce myself, my name is Brother Stevens. I am the brother of Wallace Stevens, his brother from the UK, and for the record we are not related to this KFC person....we don't even like chicken.

Now, from what my brother told me, emperor of ice cream must be mumbles, I really enjoyed your first movie....sequel??? You really are a bitter person. He even gave me a picture to post online, but I've restrained for now. However, with your current nastiness you might force my hand. Do you and Sabrina have a job....or are you another English failure? I did read your article "Where's the Beef", my niece "Wildflower" really laid into you huh? Why can't you buy real food? Or even a decent cup of tea?

Your mum, and the motherland says hello....my brother Wallace also says hello. He wishes you people didn't exile him so hastily. He really is a swell chap.
on Jan 16, 2008
sOMEWHEREINND posts:
We know from the study of genetics that it is impossible for one species of animals to evolve into a completely different one such as Evolution Theory would have us believe. These crucial aspects were little understood 100 years ago.


Please explain.
Also Geetics 100 years ago?


If you're really interested I'd advise reading Michael Behe's Darwin's Black Box.

Darwin's Evolution popularized the idea that over vast amounts of time one species evolves into a completely different one...that lower life forms over time give rise to higher ones. Evolution from amoeba to man requires the ongoing addition of new hereditary (genetic) information not previously possessed. Darwin and his followers considered only the anatomical steps and structures such as the whole eye, etc.

Today, this idea has been refuted by modern discoveries in biochemistry and molecular biology. We know know that the relevant steps in biological process occur ultimately at the molecular level and involve staggeringly complicated biochemical processes.

The concept of genetic variation shows the immense variety which exists in the genes of each kind or type. It recognizes that there are limits or boundaries which prevent change into a higher entity with a radically new genetic structure. Cats will always be cats, and dogs will always be dogs. Each kind has its own specific DNA code structure which effectively precludes the possibility of Evolution. Neither do recombinations or mutations result in Evolution.

The reality of irreducibly complex systems in the molecular level cannot be ignored. Absence of any one interdependent part causes the system to cease functioning. Behe illustrates this point with a mouse-trap...if any one part is missing, the trap cannot work.




on Jan 16, 2008
LULA POSTS:
How ought we to live?

Byran Harstad posts #51 Society determins that, god had nothing to do with the following: slavery, womens rights, war, etc...


How does society determine how we live? By our laws, right? And where, whose authority do our laws come from? What are they based upon?

Here in the USA, the Declaration says that our unalienable rights come from the Creator.




Also regarding the Holy Bible and history, aided by archaeological finds, historians have been able to obtain more accurate picture of ancient times as well as almost every aspect of life mentioned. They've been able to document real historical truth and to differentiate the non-historical parts of the Bible from the historical parts(which KFC has referred to as in parables, stories, songs, etc.).


How many historical inacuracys have been pointed out in the bible?


I don't know of any.

The Holy Bible hasn't changed, but there have been changes in our understanding of parts of it. These changes are due to discoveries in the fields of language, archeology, and history.

Discoveries like those of the Dead Sea Scrolls (ancient copies of Bible books and other literature have helped us in our understanding of the Old and New T. Records in Egyptian, Assyrian, Persian, etc. have enabled us to decipher ancient ways of writing and thinking.

Ancient monuments, even entire cities have been discovered in Egypt and in 2006, archaeologists claim to have uncovered one of the world's first churches, built on a site believed to have once housed the Ark of the Covenant. The site, located in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, is richly decorated with brightly colored mosaics and inscriptions referring to Jesus Christ. The church dates to the late 4th century, making it one of Christianity's first formal places of worship.

The site contains an unusual inscription that refers to itself, Shiloh, by name. According to the Hebrew Scriptures, the Ark of the Covenant, which contained the two tablets inscribed with the Ten Commandments, was kept by the Israelites at Shiloh for several hundred years.


on Jan 16, 2008
I've asked her on other threads, lula, and have been ignored


I admit I do ignore you from time to time. When you're respectful I have no trouble conversing with you but most of the time I have a hard time finding you this way so I do ignore you. But I have no recollection on any thread you asking me about this subject. So would you like to enlighten me where I ignored you regarding this? If you have I'll readily acknowledge you on this, but honestly LW I have no rememberance of this ever happening.

As I mentioned before, I've asked her a couple of times, on lesser threads of hers


You keep mentioning this. So where did you mention this?

And if she did indeed raise such a creature, how dare she take credit for her successes with the other two, while denying any responsibility for how this one turned out?


I'm proud of all my children and their accomplishments. I only take credit for getting them to 18 in one piece and helping them in the direction they are now in. The rest (successes) is all theirs to call their own.

What's wrong with simply admitting she isn't perfect? That she has a son whose behavior is NOT condoned by her, but is loved all the same?


I have, many times, said I wasn't perfect. Sometimes I don't condone what my kids do, but I DO love them nonetheless.

She also has the ability to delete our comments here, and/or blacklist us as she sees fit. (Yes, the BL feature has been repaired.)


I will let your comments stand LW but I will delete your husbands. What he said is cruel and uncalled for.

on Jan 16, 2008
Sorry Lula...

carry on. I'm enjoying your conversation with Sodaiho
on Jan 16, 2008
The Holy Bible hasn't changed, but there have been changes in our understanding of parts of it. These changes are due to discoveries in the fields of language, archeology, and history


yes, exactly. I attribute this to God shedding light on every generation a bit at a time. I believe we will still continue to discover new and exciting things that will shed further light on the Word of God.

on Jan 18, 2008
Just now I am reading Paul Johnson's A History of the Jews and have found his treatment of the patriarchal period to be fascinating. I highly recommend this book to those who wish to review a historical review of the facts outlined in Hebrew scripture.

Be well.
on Jan 19, 2008
Behe illustrates this point with a mouse-trap...if any one part is missing, the trap cannot work.


Can things be added to the mouse trap, and still have it work?
Can this mouse trap become a much mor efficient mouse trap?
Could a piece of wood evolve into a mouse trap?

Of course not silly, a mouse trap is not a living object!!! Sorry trick questions.


irreducibly complex systems is an argument that is used over and over by creatonists, the simply cut and past, and rehash the same thing over and over. Counter arguments by evolutionists take the same approach. There is a better solution.

Instead of just googleing your side of the argument, check to see what is on the net about the other side. wikipedia tries to be nutral about its topics, it is usually a good place to start.

If your a supporter to irreducibly complex systems, maybe you should visit the site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity At a minimium, read the examples section.
on Jan 19, 2008
lula posts #101
We know from the study of genetics that it is impossible for one species of animals to evolve into a completely different one such as Evolution Theory would have us believe. These crucial aspects were little understood 100 years ago.


SomewhereinND posts:
Please explain.


I did in reply 101. I summed it by saying:

The reality of irreducibly complex systems in the molecular level cannot be ignored. Absence of any one interdependent part causes the system to cease functioning. Behe illustrates this point with a mouse-trap...if any one part is missing, the trap cannot work.


SomewhereinND posts:
Instead of just googleing your side of the argument, check to see what is on the net about the other side. wikipedia tries to be nutral about its topics, it is usually a good place to start.

If your a supporter to irreducibly complex systems, maybe you should visit the site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity At a minimium, read the examples section.



You asked a question. I answered it and it wasn't a cut and paste job. Becasue of the latest findings in the genetic field of science, namely irreducible complexity, it is impossible for one species of animals to evolve into a completely different one with new and different DNA. The fact of irreducible complexity in the DNA and cell completely debunks this part of Evolutionary Theory.

Either you agree or disagree on this point however, telling me that mouse traps aren't alive and don't evolve, while amusing, isn't a rebuttal if you disagree.

And suggesting that I do more research on the other side of the argument doesn't fly either. As far as I'm concerned only the Creator God could have made something as complex as DNA and Godless Evolution Theory can't back up their claim that we humans descended from apes.






on Jan 19, 2008
If you would have went to the wbsite about irreducible complexity, I think you would have stopped using the term by now. Please, visit the site.

You said:

it is impossible for one species of animals to evolve into a completely different one with new and different DNA.

If you are relying on IC to make the above statement, again visit the website.

DNA differences in one species compared to another are very slight, someone in a forum once posted our dna has %50 in common with a carrot, I don't know if this is true or not, even if it is only 10%, it makes it interesting.

One of the species wih the highest amount of DNA, is a Fern, YES A POTtED PLANT! Probably because it has been around the longest. So, do you think the DNA of the fern, started out that complex, or did the DNA evolve over time?
on Jan 19, 2008
And suggesting that I do more research on the other side of the argument doesn't fly either. As far as I'm concerned only the Creator God could have made something as complex as DNA and Godless Evolution Theory can't back up their claim that we humans descended from apes.


So the Irreducibie complexity thing, DNA, etc.. must be somewhere in the bible, right? It can't be a scientific argument, because you are only concerned about the Creator God has to say.

You can't use science only when it is convienent, and then blow it off in the next sentence when it doesn't support your view. IC is not a scientific theory, it did not pass any significant peer reviews (again visit the website, to see this).

on Jan 19, 2008
telling me that mouse traps aren't alive and don't evolve, while amusing, isn't a rebuttal if you disagree.


I thought your original argument about a mouse trap was amuzing too. That is why I included it in my counter argument. I thought you had a little bit of a sense of humor, I now realize that you were serious when you refered to a mouse trap in your argument...Sorry my bad.

In the future, if you don't want someone to use a mouse trap in a rewbutal, it is probably best not to use it in the inital argument.
on Jan 19, 2008
The process in Evolution of a new spieces arising is called Speciation.

Now this time look it up....please come on do the christian thing, as a favor to me, please look it up, just because I said please. It will make up for some of the hostility I detected in some of your posts.....PLEASEEEEE, PRETTY PLEASE. It is not that long, just read the first few pages, you don't have to read it all. I will have to admit, I did not read it all, my attention span isn't long enough. But it was enough to convince me of the possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation

on Jan 19, 2008
lula posts:
it is impossible for one species of animals to evolve into a completely different one with new and different DNA.


If you are relying on IC to make the above statement, again visit the website.


I am relying on the study of genetics and the new and greater understanding that we now have on the complexity of the design of cells as related to the basic units of heredity and transferring that information from the two parents to an offspring..

The reality of irreducibly complex systems in the molecular level cannot be ignored. [B]Absence of any one interdependent part causes the system to cease functioning.[B]


The cell is the basic structure, it's built up from molecules which in turn are comprised of atoms. Atoms are incredibly small and in a drop of water there are billions of atoms. Atoms have a nucleus of varying number of protons and neutrons around which the electrons revolve. The cell contains many separate components which work together harmoniously. If one part (like the mouse trap) does not work just right or is missing, then the whole thing doesn't work...no reproduction, no heredity information being passed on; no Evolving from one animal to a completely different one..as Evolution theory postulates...


DNA differences in one species compared to another are very slight,


True, but so what? Humans have 46 chromosomes and primates have 48, and the possibility of them emerging from a common progenitor is definitely ruled out.

Modern science has shown that each species has its own DNA code structure and complementary protein molecules. Each has an inherent specification which ensures that the basic kind remains unique. Two apes cannot produce a human. A human person and an ape cannot produce an offspring. The genetic system of each offers resistance.
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