built on solid evidence
Published on April 5, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In History
As a student of the bible, I love to hear about the discoveries that have over the years only given much credence to this book. There have been many stories of brilliant minds that have attempted to disprove the scriptures only to succumb to the realization that the bible is truly a magnificant piece of literature unlike any other.

William Albright, known for his reputation as one of the great archaeologists, said: "There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition."

He also said: "The exessive skepticism shown toward the Bible by important historical schools of the 18th & 19th centuires, certain phases of which still appear periodically, has been progressively discredited. Discovery after discovery has established the accuracy of innumerable details, and has brought increased recognititon to the value of the Bible as a source of history."

Millar Burrows of Yale observes: "Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. it has shown in a number of instances that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artifical schemes of historical development."

He also exposes the cause of much unbelief: "The excessive skepticism of many liberal theologians stems not from a careful evaluation of the available data, but from an enormous predisposition against the supernatural."

This is still true today. How many of us are coming to the table with our predisposed beliefs based on what we've just picked up along the way? I hear alot of repititon from those that have no idea where they've heard such and such. It's like gossip. They are picking up and passing on what they have had whispered in their ears. I did this myself for a while until I realized I really had nothing to back myself up on other than what I heard from another.

He adds: "On the whole, archaelogical work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine". :

Sir William Ramsay is regarded as one of the greatest archaeologists ever to have lived. He was a student in the German historical school of the mid 19th century. He believed the Book of Acts was a product of the mid 2nd century AD. He was very convinced of this belief. In his research to make a topographical study of Asia Minor he was compelled to consider the writings of Luke, the physician. As a result he was forced to do a complete reversal of his beliefs due to the overwhelming evidence uncovered in his research. He said this about his change of mind:

"I may fairly claim to have entered on this investigation without prejudice in favor of the conclusion which I shall now seek to justify to the reader. On the contrary, I began with a mind unfavorable to it, for the ingenuity and apparent completness of the Tubingen theory had at one time quite convinced me. it did not then lie in my line of life to investigate the subject minutely; but more recenly I found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topgraphy , antiquities and socieity of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth. In fact, beginning with a fixed idea that the work was essentially a 2nd century composition and never relying on its evidence as trustworthy for first century conditions, I gradually came to find it a useful ally in some obscure and difficult investigations."

Ramsay concluded after 30 years of study that "Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy......."this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians." Ramsay also says: "Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness."

To even consider this book coming from an all powerful God it MUST meet certain requirements. It has to be transmitted to us accurately from the time it was originally written so we have exactly what God wanted us to have. Next it must be correct when it deal with dates, events and places. A book that has these things mixed up has no right to claim it comes from an infallible God.

If you test the NT documents with the same standard of tests applied to any of the Greek classics, the evidence overwhelmingly favors the NT. If someone states that we have a reliable text of classics, then that same person would be forced to admit that the NT is also just as reliable.

Actually many don't realize that the original NT copies were in better textual shape than the 37 plays of Shakespeare written in the 17th century, after the invention of printing. In every one of his plays there are gaps in the printed text where we have no idea what originally was said. Textual scholars were forced to make good guesses to fill in the blanks. With the abundance of existing manuscripts of the NT we know nothing has been lost through the transmission of the text.

Those who contend that the Bible is unreliable historically are not historians or archeologists. While I can't prove the bible is inspired or written by the very hand of God, (although I believe it to be true,) I do believe the evidence supports the claim the Bible certainly is the very word of God.



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on Jan 24, 2008
we lose our self-control.


Control over...what? Base, primal urges?...or...instincts?

~Zoo
on Jan 25, 2008
YES WE ARE ANIMALS,


On another thread we've been discussing Creationism in that God made the Universe out of nothing, "ex nihilo".

From searching that, I learned that

Regarding the creation of man, God formed, (not created out of nothing), the body of the first man out of the "slime of the earth", or inorganic matter, and then God created the body of the first woman from the body of the first man so that there might be no misunderstanding of the different causualities in forming a species, above all the human species and it's subsequent operation within its natural limits...

No human body can exist except by way of descent (generation, procreation)from the first man through the first woman. My point here is that the human species alone procreates; animals only breed!

on Jan 25, 2008
"slime of the earth",


Do you know what slime is? Bacteria, fungi, algae...there ya go, freaking evolution right there in the Bible.

For example: Slime molds

~Zoo
on Jan 25, 2008
For example: Slime molds


Zoo, you crack me up.
on Jan 25, 2008
lulapilgrim/KFC

On my little pressure comment...you have seemed to blow by my comment with out thinking about it.

I obviously really didnt mean 'a little pressure', I was just trying to make a point, that it is very easy to make someone revert to pure instinct 'fight or flight'. Am I wrong about this? Do I need to point out examples? It happens 100s of times a day, how many examples can you point out where someone just 'turns the other cheek'?

Even KFC said earlier that when it ccmes to security of his family, kill the threat first! (not those words, and that statement is true for almost everyone).

When Jesus found vedors in the church, he seemed to have lost a little self control, shouldn't he have just turned the other cheek?

Someone knocks down a whole buioding (or two), a whole country says, 'Kill them all, I want to see Iraqi gibletes', a little latter, some reasoning and self control may come back (at least for some), but by then it is too late.
on Jan 25, 2008
Oh, c'mon, SomewhereinND! This is simple biology 101. Instinct is an inborn behavior that is built into an animal's nervous system and cannot be changed.

When we humans get riled over something, we don't revert to instinct..we lose our self-control.


I guess, I am confused, of you observe an animal reverting to instinct, and a human looseing self control, Is there a difference? Visually, do you see anything different?

There is the inital strike back.
Few seconds latter, adrenoline rush side effects happen.
Heart rate increases.
Hands/Feet shake.
Then you calm down, this event usually wears you out a little, and you need time to recover.
Humans then rationalize it.

Do you ever watch 'COPS'.

Sometimes another human will step in and try to stop the escalation, but it is more likely that he/she will recieve the wrath of both sides.

If you still think there is a difference, please you need to provide 5-10 real good concrete examples.
on Jan 25, 2008
My point here is that the human species alone procreates; animals only breed!


Rape, Pillage, Plunder, procreate or breed, you decide.

How can you not see that we are just animals?\

Acts like an animal.
Eats like an animal.
Reproduces like an animal.
Kills like an animal.
Sh-ts like an animal.
Makes up imaginary friends like an animal (oh wait, not sure about that one).
Shows fear like an animal.
Shows irrational fears like an animal.
Evolves like an animal (even lulapilgram has to admit to the small 'e' version of evolve, ie in the same species).
Has all the same instincts (or what ever you want to call it) as an animal.
Has all the same biological mechanisms of an animal.
Must be a potted plant.
on Jan 26, 2008
Must be a potted plant.


Behold my plant powers!

*photosynthesis* *photosynthesis*

Eh...doesn't appear to be working... Stupid mitochondria not being able to pick up quantum energy from the sun thereby separating hydrogen atoms from water in order to create a charge gradient to drive photosensitive reactions.

~Zoo
on Jan 26, 2008
How can you not see that we are just animals?\

Acts like an animal.
Eats like an animal.
Reproduces like an animal.
Kills like an animal.
Sh-ts like an animal.
Makes up imaginary friends like an animal (oh wait, not sure about that one).
Shows fear like an animal.
Shows irrational fears like an animal.
Evolves like an animal (even lulapilgram has to admit to the small 'e' version of evolve, ie in the same species).
Has all the same instincts (or what ever you want to call it) as an animal.
Has all the same biological mechanisms of an animal.
Must be a potted plant.


SomewhereinND,

I think it was back in reply #148 that I gave my answer to your assertion that humans are animals....

We are not and here is the reasons why the human species is distinctly different from the animal one...

animals act on pure instinct (and I gave the definition of that) and humans have free will, an intellectual capacity and a conscience to understand good from evil.

Man has a spiritual nature and a material nature.
Man is a hybrid being--a spiritual soul and a material body.
That is what sets us apart from animals.

Genesis 1:26, And God said, "Let us make man in our image and likeness." This image of God in man is not in his body, but in the soul which is a spiritual substance endued with understanding and free will.

Animals don't have a soul.

Genesis 2:7, "And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth; and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul."

Genesis 2:21-23, "Then the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam; and when he was fast asleep, he took one of his ribs and filled up flesh for it. And the Lord God built the rib which He took from Adam into a woman; and He brought her to Adam. And Adam said, This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman becasue she was taken out of man."

This is the way that Almighty God told us through Sacred Scripture that He created the first man, Adam and the first woman, Eve.

I have no problem whatsoever believing the narrative in a literal sense. That not only were the souls of Adam and Eve created, but that the body of Adam from the slime of the earth and the body of Eve from the side of Adam were formed miraculously by the Creator.

They were not the term of Evolution process. Human nature is beyond the limits of material agents becasue of its transcendent character. The human body informed as no other by a soul capable of knowing and loving the Creator is animated spiritually! To be animated spiritually requires a prior formation quite beyond the limits of any natural process to produce.

SomewhereinND if you want to believe you evolved from apes and are an animal,....well, that's you....however, Lulapilgrim's ancestors are Adam and Eve.



If as Evolution Theory says, that man evolved from brute animals you'd think that some of the apes would be operating on less instinct and more free will, be developing a conscience, etc...

on Jan 26, 2008
I found a nice little bit about evolution...posted an article containing it: WWW Link

~Zoo
on Jan 26, 2008
humans have free will, an intellectual capacity and a conscience to understand good from evil.


Unless there4 is a little bit of stress, I am sure if you look for a study, you will find one that shows that the rational part of the brain is not working, under stressful conditions. However the instinctual part of the brain is active.

That would be the some evidence of what I stated....humans revert to instinct under stress. If you want non scientific evidence, like I said watch COPS.
on Jan 26, 2008
lulapilgrim,

I guess I don't know what else to say on this subject.
You say we live on rational thought.
I say that most of the time, we live on instinct.

You even seem to be saying that the flight or fight instinct doesn't even exist in humans.

on Jan 26, 2008
How can you not see that we are just animals?\

Acts like an animal.


That would be the some evidence of what I stated....humans revert to instinct under stress. If you want non scientific evidence, like I said watch COPS.


SIND, (hope you don't mind the abbreviation),



I agree that we humans that when under certain circumstances certain internal changes automatically occur...depending on those circumstances we act in a rational or irrational manner...

At stress, people react negatively...
same is true of the person in an act of bravery...

We humans always have free will and must make choices about how we re-act to situations, both stressful and happy ones....

Granted, we aren't masters of all our actions, as I pointed out before we act more by habit...good and bad..

Upon every situation in life, including stressful ones, the essential need of our moral life is to fight against our faults (bad habits) and develop our good qualities as in supervise our speech, control our anger, etc.

We humans (made up of body and soul) can DO ALL this, while animals (only body) cannot. All they have is pure instinct. We are hardwired with the natural law, a moral voice (conscience). That's why we aren't animals and animals aren't humans.


on Jan 26, 2008
LINNAEAN CLASSIFICATION OF HUMANS


Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Subphylum: Vertebrata
Class: Mammalia
Subclass: Theria
Infraclass: Eutheria
Order: Primates
Suborder: Anthropoidea
Superfamily: Hominoidea
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: sapiens



Animals.

~Zoo
on Jan 26, 2008
Zoo, don't you find it amazing how irrational some people can be?
Notice how he didn't have any comments about my questioning of why Jesus opened a can of whoop ass on the vendors in the church?
Apperently, that is only a habit of Jesus, not an instinct. Pure rationasl thought on his part. I once saw an episode of cops where a customer opened a can of whoop ass on a store owner. I wonder if that customer was thinking rationally about how Jesus did the same.
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