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Published on April 5, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In History
As a student of the bible, I love to hear about the discoveries that have over the years only given much credence to this book. There have been many stories of brilliant minds that have attempted to disprove the scriptures only to succumb to the realization that the bible is truly a magnificant piece of literature unlike any other.

William Albright, known for his reputation as one of the great archaeologists, said: "There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition."

He also said: "The exessive skepticism shown toward the Bible by important historical schools of the 18th & 19th centuires, certain phases of which still appear periodically, has been progressively discredited. Discovery after discovery has established the accuracy of innumerable details, and has brought increased recognititon to the value of the Bible as a source of history."

Millar Burrows of Yale observes: "Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. it has shown in a number of instances that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artifical schemes of historical development."

He also exposes the cause of much unbelief: "The excessive skepticism of many liberal theologians stems not from a careful evaluation of the available data, but from an enormous predisposition against the supernatural."

This is still true today. How many of us are coming to the table with our predisposed beliefs based on what we've just picked up along the way? I hear alot of repititon from those that have no idea where they've heard such and such. It's like gossip. They are picking up and passing on what they have had whispered in their ears. I did this myself for a while until I realized I really had nothing to back myself up on other than what I heard from another.

He adds: "On the whole, archaelogical work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine". :

Sir William Ramsay is regarded as one of the greatest archaeologists ever to have lived. He was a student in the German historical school of the mid 19th century. He believed the Book of Acts was a product of the mid 2nd century AD. He was very convinced of this belief. In his research to make a topographical study of Asia Minor he was compelled to consider the writings of Luke, the physician. As a result he was forced to do a complete reversal of his beliefs due to the overwhelming evidence uncovered in his research. He said this about his change of mind:

"I may fairly claim to have entered on this investigation without prejudice in favor of the conclusion which I shall now seek to justify to the reader. On the contrary, I began with a mind unfavorable to it, for the ingenuity and apparent completness of the Tubingen theory had at one time quite convinced me. it did not then lie in my line of life to investigate the subject minutely; but more recenly I found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topgraphy , antiquities and socieity of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth. In fact, beginning with a fixed idea that the work was essentially a 2nd century composition and never relying on its evidence as trustworthy for first century conditions, I gradually came to find it a useful ally in some obscure and difficult investigations."

Ramsay concluded after 30 years of study that "Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy......."this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians." Ramsay also says: "Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness."

To even consider this book coming from an all powerful God it MUST meet certain requirements. It has to be transmitted to us accurately from the time it was originally written so we have exactly what God wanted us to have. Next it must be correct when it deal with dates, events and places. A book that has these things mixed up has no right to claim it comes from an infallible God.

If you test the NT documents with the same standard of tests applied to any of the Greek classics, the evidence overwhelmingly favors the NT. If someone states that we have a reliable text of classics, then that same person would be forced to admit that the NT is also just as reliable.

Actually many don't realize that the original NT copies were in better textual shape than the 37 plays of Shakespeare written in the 17th century, after the invention of printing. In every one of his plays there are gaps in the printed text where we have no idea what originally was said. Textual scholars were forced to make good guesses to fill in the blanks. With the abundance of existing manuscripts of the NT we know nothing has been lost through the transmission of the text.

Those who contend that the Bible is unreliable historically are not historians or archeologists. While I can't prove the bible is inspired or written by the very hand of God, (although I believe it to be true,) I do believe the evidence supports the claim the Bible certainly is the very word of God.



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on Jan 26, 2008
Apperently, that is only a habit of Jesus, not an instinct. Pure rationasl thought on his part. I once saw an episode of cops where a customer opened a can of whoop ass on a store owner. I wonder if that customer was thinking rationally about how Jesus did the same.


Well, the human as an animal isn't solely based on our animalistic urges and behaviors. Our very being and physiology dictate the presence of an animal. Made of the same stuff, killed by the same methods.

We do possess a higher cognition(on average, there a few people who don't fit the bill) than any other animal on the planet. Whether that's divine or not is up to interpretation. There is no denying that we are in fact animals, and given the proper situation we will act accordingly without rational, "human" thought.

We have instincts that are barely ever shown because we have such high cognition. Is it not our instinct to suckle when we are born? To cry and scream when something bothers us? To eat when we are hungry, to drink when we are thirsty. These do not take much planning if food or drink is readily available. Do we not collect and store things like so many other animals do? Do we not form social bonds and act in the exact same manner as other social animals do? Do we not have the urge to mate and reproduce? There are a lot of similarities between us and many branches on the evolutionary tree. Yes, we're different, but there are amazing similarities.

That's all I have to say...I know we're animals, and whether there's a spiritual element to it all, I'll leave up to the religion part of human existence. If we really were so unique from every other lifeform we'd be in our own Kingdom of life.

Whew...that went longer than I expected.

~Zoo
on Jan 26, 2008
LINNAEAN CLASSIFICATION OF HUMANS


Thanks Zoo for the list of classification of humans...I am aware that we humans have similiar characteristics to many animals...but that doesn't make us animals per se.

You may come to the conclusion that it does...but no sale here.

On page 555 of my daughter's high school biology textbook (pro ET   ), it asks, "What is an animal?

After explaining how animals all share certain characteristics, it says that animals are heterotrophs, which means they do not make their own food. Wouldn't this be another good distinction between an animal and a human?


I glanced at your latest article and will respond to that later as time permits.


on Jan 26, 2008
Notice how he didn't have any comments


If he is who has been debating you, he is a She.

But carry on. I am enjoying the dialog.
on Jan 26, 2008
I obviously really didnt mean 'a little pressure', I was just trying to make a point, that it is very easy to make someone revert to pure instinct 'fight or flight'. Am I wrong about this? Do I need to point out examples? It happens 100s of times a day, how many examples can you point out where someone just 'turns the other cheek'?


Well to me as a Christian this is an easy one. I believe Christians are in the minority. I'm talking real, bible believing, walking talking Christians. So you're right, you're going to see more anger, malice, murder, rage, etc than peace, love, joy, patience etc in this world. Jesus told us it would be like this. He gives us peace but not how the world does. He gives us life, but not as the world does. Those that follow him have abundant life.

Both of these sets of emotions are fruits. One side comes from God, the other from Satan. To determine what tree you're hanging onto examine your fruit. Are you angry, full of rage, not conent etc? Or are you filled with peace, contentment, love and joy?

When Jesus found vedors in the church, he seemed to have lost a little self control, shouldn't he have just turned the other cheek?


He never lost control although I can see how you can see this to be true. He was strength under control. He could have wiped them all out right then and there and been justified. He righted a wrong. He cleansed the temple of those taking advantage of the poor and innocent people they were in charge of. He went after those robbing the poor and using the temple grounds to do so. He was angry and yes, I do think there are such things as righteous anger. Most of us don't get angry over sin enough. It's ok to be angry over sin.



on Jan 26, 2008

SIND posts:
Notice how he didn't have any comments about my questioning of why Jesus opened a can of whoop ass on the vendors in the church?
Apperently, that is only a habit of Jesus, not an instinct. Pure rationasl thought on his part.


No, sorry SIND, righteous indignation is rational and is not instinct.

OK, you pushed for this discussion....

Let's start by setting up some ground definitions. 1. Jesus Christ is God made man and He exemplified only good, nay, perfect habits during His life on earth. 2. The Temple where this incident took place is God's house. 3. Ephesians 4:26 "Be angry and sin not."


Just so we are in the same groove, let's first go over what happened as according to Scripture when Christ drove the money-changers from the Temple.

It was the time of the Passover and there were many, many people who had come to Jerusalem and worship at the Temple.

Problem is besides all the oxen, sheep and cattle that were there defiling the courts, there were also many dealers and dishonest money changers haggling and bargaining. All this caused a great deal of noise and made worship in the outer courts impossible. When Christ saw this unholy traffic going on, He, full of holy zeal and with righteous indignation, reproved and punished the dealers for behaving irrevently and drove them and the animals out of the Temple.


I once saw an episode of cops where a customer opened a can of whoop ass on a store owner. I wonder if that customer was thinking rationally about how Jesus did the same.



There is no comparison between the actions of those shown on COPS, and Christ's righteous indignation at the Temple.

"Be angry, but do not sin."





on Jan 26, 2008
If he is who has been debating you, he is a She.


Oh ya, I'm a "she".

Hey, KFC, we must have been responding to SIND about the same time and on the same topic...CHrist's righteous indignation! Good stuff!



on Jan 26, 2008
After explaining how animals all share certain characteristics, it says that animals are heterotrophs, which means they do not make their own food. Wouldn't this be another good distinction between an animal and a human?


No...because we don't make our own food.

The opposite of a heterotroph is an autotroph- autotrophs include things like plants, algae, and photosynthetic bacteria, things that can make food from raw materials such as sunlight, water, and chemicals. Heterotrophs have to eat other things in order to live. That includes animals, fungi, and other bacteria/protists and such.



~Zoo
on Jan 26, 2008
Let's start by setting up some ground definitions. 1. Jesus Christ is God made man and He exemplified only good, nay, perfect habits during His life on earth. 2. The Temple where this incident took place is God's house. 3. Ephesians 4:26 "Be angry and sin not."


1. Jesus was not God. 2. Getting so angry that you throw over tables of business people, call them names and so forth, is hardly a mark of perfection.

Problem is besides all the oxen, sheep and cattle that were there defiling the courts, there were also many dealers and dishonest money changers haggling and bargaining. All this caused a great deal of noise and made worship in the outer courts impossible. When Christ saw this unholy traffic going on, He, full of holy zeal and with righteous indignation, reproved and punished the dealers for behaving irrevently and drove them and the animals out of the Temple.


You are using a contemporary and very Christian understanding to make sense of a Jewish Temple with Jewish culture and customs. Noise, haggling, changing money, was hardly defiling the Temple. It was life being lived, vibrant, living color life: nothing unholy about it. If anything, Jesus needed to set himself up as a radical thinker, apart from the religion of his Fathers, the patriarchs.

Be well.



on Jan 27, 2008
If I were a tree I'd be a Sequoia...I mean, the view would be fantastic.

~Zoo
on Jan 27, 2008
Well, I just keep seeing her repeat this nonsense on numerous threads, and she's even referred to a 10 month old infant as already being 'just like his daddy, a master manipulator.'


You really seem to have a problem with me saying that children can manipulate their parents don't you? You won't let that go.

Well ok. It's coming from me and I can understand anything coming from me must be a bad thing. So why don't you rush out to the newstands and get the latest "Good Housekeeping" magazine and read the article from Dr. Phil.

In the article he speaks about this very thing including his own kids. So there ya go. Don't believe me. Do you like Dr. Phil? James Dobson, Child Phsycologist and the author of many baby/children books says the same thing. Almost every book I've ever read on parenting speaks of kids' manipulations. Some kids are better at this than others....but it's done and any parent of a manipulator will tell you so.

Ah well, two out of three aint bad, I suppose. But I just find it odd that she clings to this notion in light of the path that a full third of her own brood chose to follow. Of course, she's not personally to blame for that, but she sure likes to take credit for the ones that turned out 'right.'


Just let it go LW. It will be so much better for your mental health. When a child makes a mistake, it doesn't make him "bad" it makes him human.

Good Fruit in scripture is described as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control.

Bad fruit is described as, adultery, fornication, uncleaness,idolatry,witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,envyings, murders, drunkeness,revellings, and such like this.

So which orchid are you growing in LW?



on Jan 27, 2008
Lula posts:
Let's start by setting up some ground definitions. 1. Jesus Christ is God made man and He exemplified only good, nay, perfect habits during His life on earth. 2. The Temple where this incident took place is God's house. 3. Ephesians 4:26 "Be angry and sin not."


So Daiho posts:
1. Jesus was not God.


What are you basing this assertion upon?

Christ said He was God and so did His Apostles. Saul of Tarsus, renamed Paul was tortured, suffered, imprisoned and exposed to death, all for saying that Christ is God. As a matter of fact, there have been many martyrs who endured horrible deaths in His Name. They didn't give their lives for religious freedom...but martyred for the First Commandment. They insisted upon Christianity's exceptional nature...One God in Three Persons before whom there were no others.

on Jan 27, 2008
One God in Three Persons before whom there were no others.


Multiple personality disorder? Yikes...God's a little unstable.

~Zoo
on Jan 27, 2008
One God in Three Persons before whom there were no others.


Multiple personality disorder? Yikes...God's a little unstable.


My thoughts exactly. I've always seen the traditional Christian God as some sort of schizophrenic, narcissistic ventriloquist.
on Jan 27, 2008
Lula posts:
Problem is besides all the oxen, sheep and cattle that were there defiling the courts, there were also many dealers and dishonest money changers haggling and bargaining. All this caused a great deal of noise and made worship in the outer courts impossible. When Christ saw this unholy traffic going on, He, full of holy zeal and with righteous indignation, reproved and punished the dealers for behaving irrevently and drove them and the animals out of the Temple.


So Daiho posts:
You are using a contemporary and very Christian understanding to make sense of a Jewish Temple with Jewish culture and customs. Noise, haggling, changing money, was hardly defiling the Temple. It was life being lived, vibrant, living color life: nothing unholy about it. If anything, Jesus needed to set himself up as a radical thinker, apart from the religion of his Fathers, the patriarchs.

Be well.


SoDaiho,

I'm guilty as charged of using Christian understanding to make sense of what happened at the Temple that is charged as unholy as Christ cast out those who were selling and buying in the Temple saying to them, "It is written, 'My house is a house of prayer', but you have made it a den of thieves". This is according to the Gospel of Saint Luke 19:45-47.

I may know more about the Temple than you think..for the Temple is the precursor of the Church. Christ's indignation shows His zeal for the glory of His Father, to be recognized at this time in the Temple itself. He enveighs against the traders for engaging in business which has nothing to do with divine worship. Even the priests allowed some of these abuses to go on--perhaps because they benefitted from them in the form of taxes. The traders did perform services necessary for divine worship, but this was vitiated by their excessive desire for gain, turning the Temple into a market-place.

"My house shall be a house of prayer", Christ uses these words of Isaias to underline the purpose of the Temple.

If anything, Jesus needed to set himself up as a radical thinker, apart from the religion of his Fathers, the patriarchs.


Ah, no SoDaiho---now, who is getting into contemporary thinking?


Christ's behavior shows the respect the Temple of Jerusalem deserved. In acting as He did underlining the purpose of the Temple was holding up the biblical Judaism, the religion of the patriarchs.
on Jan 27, 2008
9-21 And he drank of the wine, and was 1drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.


LITTLE WHIP POSTS:
Noah got drunk AND naked, hahaha.


LW,

There's reasons for things. Here's a very plausible explanation of Noah's drunkeness. Listen up, Zoo, you might find this interesting as well.

It is a well known fact that wine was imbibed in those days. To my knowledge there is no mention of Noah ever getting drunk before the Flood. This happened after the Flood.

In my study of Creation and the Flood, I've read Gerard J. Keane, Creation Rediscovered. The following comes from his book.

Various creationists suggest that when God created the earth, He lifted up sufficient water, Gen.1:7, to expose the desired extent of dry land and then suspended it high in the atmosphere. They suggest that God instantly turned this water into vapor (super heated transparent steam) and established it in a pressure-temperature distribution.

It's argued that a greenhouse effect would have ensued, with pleasant temperatures in all parts of the globe allowing a state of tranquility on Earth. This in turn would have allowed lush vegatation to grow in all areas. The atmospheric pressure would have been about 2.18 times that of today's atmosphere, thus facilitating giant forms of life to exist. It also would have aided longetivity.

So, before the Flood the Earth would have very likely would have had an entirely different environment from today. (If the idea of the vapor canopy and greenhouse effect seems fantastic, one can point to an atmospheric canopy in existence today on Venus. The temperatures at the poles and equator are similiar. If this canopy theory is valid, the higher atmospheric pressure provides a clue to why Noah got drunk after he had re-established his family on the Earth after the waters of the Flood had subsided.

Perhaps he was caught off guard. With the canopy gone, the rate of formation of the alcohol in the wine would have speeded up, and Noah would not have anticipated there being more alcohol in the wine, the same amount of wine he normally drank before the Flood occurred and from which he didn't get drunk.

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