Ya, doc....ditto

dharmagrl says:
"Personally, I find your constant proselytizing tiresome and I simply don't have the patience to talk to you when you're in 'super christian, converter of all heathens' mode because I get aggrivated and then anger comes a knockin' and I end up feeling frustrated and drained for no good reason."

Yet she continues to talk.... subjecting herself to KFC's "proselytizing"

KarmaGirl says: "I'm not debating with an anonymous troll."

Yet she continues to debate the 'anonymous troll'... (even though her explanations make no rational sense what-so-ever)

MY CONCLUSION: dharmagrl and KarmaGirl are actually enjoying the conversation... why else would they keep coming back for more "proselyting"?

Dear "what I find so funny...",

Yes, you are an anonymous troll.  Why don't you register if you want to "add" anything to the conversation?  You do realize that we record IPs even on "anonymous" users, right?  Just because you don't use a static IP doesn't mean that it's not apparent who you are.

But if I understand Buddhism correctly you believe to reach nirvana you have to escape samsara. Samsara is the cycle of rebirths that is known more commonly in the West as reincarnation. Freedom from samsara leads to virvana.

You are thinking of "rebirth" in the wrong sense.  First, you have to think only of life on Earth in the here and now.  Buddhist go through life cycles on Earth.  It's part of enlightenment.  "Nirvana" is simply a different term for "enlightenment".  you can't think in "Christian" terms when thinking of Buddhism.  Christianity is based on what happens after death.  Buddhism is based on what happens during life.  Enlightenment is when you are able to escape personal pain, ignorance and greed (at it's simplest form).

Samsara is the cycle of rebirths that is known more commonly in the West as reincarnation.

Samsara is suffering, and you have the wrong idea (again) about reincarnation. Nirvana is, as Karma explained, enlightenment. Everyone has the ability to become enlightened. I'll give you an example of a step towards nirvana: this debate is causing me samsara (sufferning). If I walk away from it, my suffering ceases. I figure out that walking away from it ends the suffering, and I don't argue here anymore. That's a step towards enlightenment, and is in itself an enlightenment. I've figured out what causes the samsara I feel here, and I've removed myself from it - thereby ending the samsara.

Like I said, I'm not asked to put faith in anything I cannot try and find for my own self to be true.

I'll give you an example of a step towards nirvana: this debate is causing me samsara (sufferning). If I walk away from it, my suffering ceases. I figure out that walking away from it ends the suffering, and I don't argue here anymore. That's a step towards enlightenment, and is in itself an enlightenment.

That's a very good, real life, example.

Namaste, Dharma.

Yes this is as I said earlier is different than that of the Christian experience. We look at suffering as not something to get away from but part of our refining experience and draws us closer to him. As Christ suffered so shall we. Nobody enjoys suffering but it's lessened by realizing that God is doing a work in us. He never leaves us alone in our suffering.

My example would be a silversmith refining silver. A silversmith takes the silver and puts it under high hot heat. But he doesn't take his eyes off it. At the right time he takes it out when he deems it's ready. When asked how he would know when it's ready one silversmith replied....."Oh that's easy.....when I see my reflection in it."

That's how it's supposed to be with Christians as well. God is putting his reflection in us. We are all walking at different paces. All on the same path but at various distances so to speak. As we get closer to him his reflection is that much clearer in us and can be seen by others.

Suffering actually brings about good results in the Christians' life. One is patience. We learn to endure. We learn to wait thru it. Peter said.

"Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him be not ashamed but let him glorify God on his behalf. "

While I don't enjoy the thought of trial or suffering, I do know that God like the silversmith has his eyes on me and it's all for a purpose. It's all part of the refining process and many times it's useful later to help others going through their trials and tribulations as well.

Karma:

What's a IP?

well then karmagirl... tell me what my IP address is then.... and furthermore, tell me who i am? ha...
who's to say that i don't have a registered name? but then again, who's to say that i don't? i prefer the hit and run approach to commenting...

and dharmagrl... according to your example, you must not be very enlightened then, because you keep coming back to this debate... just a thought...

Namaste, Dharma.

Namaste, Karma.

you must not be very enlightened then,

I never said that I was, now did I?

Thanks LW for stopping by and......lilacs?

I'm really not trying to convert or convince so much as trying to explain. I keep saying I can't convince or convert. It's not my job.

While I do use scripture when I feel it's appropriate I certainly do not do so if I feel it's not wanted.

So if you're the bad girl of JU.....what does that make me? Forget it.....I've already been told..............

well then karmagirl... tell me what my IP address is then.... and furthermore, tell me who i am? ha... who's to say that i don't have a registered name? but then again, who's to say that i don't? i prefer the hit and run approach to commenting...

Naaaaw, your to much of a coward to come at anyone head-on.

well then karmagirl... tell me what my IP address is then.... and furthermore, tell me who i am? ha... who's to say that i don't have a registered name? but then again, who's to say that i don't?

I know that you are not registered here.  I'm not stating your IP, because I don't want to be responsible for the hackers.  How is New Orleans this time of year?  How do I know who you are?  It's transparent.  You showed up to stick up for your Mom.  Your Mom has revealed in other threads that she has a son in New Orleans...your IPs track there, you both were Mormons and the only threads you pop up on are ones defending her.  Doesn't take much to put it together.  Of course, your writing gave it away before any facts were even gathered.....

Uh.....Karma.

My Son was never a Mormon. I was a Mormn before I was married and it was only for a year. So technically while we studied with this group for a year we never really were that ingrained in that religion.

So technically while we studied with this group for a year we never really were that ingrained in that religion.

He didn't say he was a mormon- it was just a stretch because he knew so much about it.  People tend to only defend things anonymously when they have an agenda.

BTW, you never mentioned any of your children's religions before (other than "Christian").  Why did you decide to now?  Was it the only part that you could correct?

It's obvious who he is, and I wouldn't doubt if some of the other "anonymous" users that stick up for you aren't one or both of your other two sons.  Anonymous posting really isn't that anonymous.

Anonymous posting really isn't that anonymous.

To us it is. To you it's not. You "do" have a little advantage over us peons.