We Need To Put Out The Fire, Not Add To It
Published on November 2, 2009 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events

My home state of Maine is once again going to the polls tomorrow to vote on yet another homosexual issue.  This time it's on whether or not homosexual marriage should be legalized.  So far every state that puts this to a vote brings another loss to the homosexual movement.  Not one state to date has had an affirmation by popular vote for homosexual marriage.    

I know we hear and get caught up in some very emotional reasons as to why we should allow this but we really need to take a good look at what's going on in our culture when it comes to marriage and how it's affecting our children already. 

Marriage is under attack.  There was a time when going to the altar was a sacred committment that meant something.  Until death due us part.  Remember that?   There was a time when a man and a woman were united as one, raised a family and sat back to enjoy the fruits of their labor in the benefits we call grandchildren.  We still see some old dinosaurs out there who are still hanging on trying to keep the traditional home fires burning in a controlled sort of way, but it's getting to be a thing of the past more and more.  We have now abandoned the home fires which are now burning out of control. 

What has happened to all that?  Where did we go wrong?  Is it  religion being taken out of our culture bit by bit?  The invention of the pill leading up to a sexual revolution starting back in the 60's?  Women working outside the home leaving husband and children to fend for themselves much of the time?   Entertainment?  Computers? 

Heterosexuals haven't done such a great job in the marriage business these last 30 or 40 years but legalizing homosexual marriage isn't the answer.  Marriage is on fire, and legalizing homosexual marriage is like adding gasoline to a blaze already burning out of control. 

We are seeing the evidence of this in our kids.  They are hurting.  They have been burnt and are now suffering the consequences of marriages gone aflame.  If you listen carefully you can actually hear the dull roar of the fire as it quickly spreads.  This roar is angry, loud and invasive. 

Look around.  Have you not noticed the anger in our culture especially the younger generation?  It's all making sense.  What do we need to do to put this fire out?  Anger manifests itself in many ways.  Anger acts out. 

Let me tell you what I saw yesterday.  I saw seven hurting (last week there were 12) teenagers in Sunday School.  Not one comes from a traditional homelife.  Every single one of them is missing at least one parent in their lives.  The common denominator is anger and frustration. 

There's nothing like a big batch of homemade cookes to get a bunch of teens to warm up to you.  Within moments we started to hear their heart wrenching stories.  Some I've already posted on an earlier blog. 

Our topic on this morning was anger.  We taught them how we should be slow to speak, quick to hear and slow to anger.  Doing so will alleviate many troubles in their lives and will save them from dire consequences.  They were all too eager to share their problems with us about their emotional abusive step-fathers or in the case of one girl, a brother-in-law  married to her sister who was raising her. 

Where are the real biological parents?  Why so many broken marriages?   In the case of this girl, her sister is 22 years older than her and no talk of any mother or father in the picture.  I'm guessing without this sister and her husband this 14 year old would be in foster care.  She's a beautiful young 14 year old girl. 

One boy has so much anger he has a court date next week to address it.  He's now 18, follows me around showing me his notebook on how he's trying to change his life.  I had the feeling he needs mothering.  His father has been married at least 3 times and has two younger kids with his third wife who doesn't seem to be in the picture now. 

Another boy I'll call JU sat in a back corner with his hat on backwards hardly looking at us.  He wouldn't pick up the book, read along with us or share in the conversation.  While I still know nothing about JU we got a report back this morning that immediately after Sunday School he pulled out of church a man he knew and wanted to talk about his anger issues.  The older man said to my husband "I don't know what you taught about in class yesterday but it sure made an impression on JU.  Enough to pull me out of church to talk to him for over a half hour." 

Every child needs a mom and a dad.  For a child to feel safe and secure he needs both of his parents to stay strong and committed not only to him but to each other.  The best way a father can show a son about love is to show it for his wife.  The best way a daughter can learn about how a woman should love and respect her husband is by watching her mother.   What kinds of models do these kids have? 

We seem so worried about the deficit and how it will affect our next generation but what about the trail of broken marriages leaving angry and displaced kids all over the place? 

We need to go back and try to fix what's broken not add another dimension to an already troubled institution. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Nov 05, 2009

That would be a great argument if we where discussing physical features. If you can point to a study where the black sheep mates only with other black sheep or juvenile sheep, you may have something there. We are talking about something that for all apparent reasons occurs within the brain since anatomical features are not affected.

Homosexuality is a physical feature. The brain (outside the soul) is subject to the laws of physics.

 

BTW I believe your numbers are high. 10% (30 million) would almost equal the entire Black population of the US. Just in my travels, I doubt that 1 in 10 people are gay (I could be wrong, but many would be hiding it well with opposite sex spouses and children). We may never know unless it becomes a census question.

The exact number is irrelevant. Even if it were 1% it would still be "normal". Bus driver is a "normal job", but I would be surprised if even 1% of a given population were bus drivers.

I'm not sure where you would want to draw the border between normal and not normal, but whereever you draw it, I am sure homosexuality would be on the normal side.

 

You bring up something here that begs another interesting question here. Is an adult male that rapes young boys a pedophile, or a homosexual, or both? One thing it does prove IMO is pedophilia and homosexuality are two distinct conditions.

An adult male who rapes young boys is a rapist, a pedophile, and a homosexual. But his homosexuality is not the problem here. His crime would be just as bad if he had raped a young girl. Then he would be a rapist, a pedophile, and a heterosexual. And I want to see the person who would condemn him for his heterosexuality!

 

IMO the only thing that separates homosexuals from pedophiles socially (and again, I'm not suggesting it is the same condition or even related) is a source of willing partners. Pedophilia is only considered wrong because it exploits an unwilling partner.

Yes. Pedophilia is considered wrong because it explots an unwilling partner.

Homosexuality does not have that problem and neither does heterosexuality.

 

 

on Nov 05, 2009

Everything that happens in nature without human interference is "natural".

Let me add something about murder which I had accepted as a given.

"Murder" is a type of killing that involves a reason for killing that is not normally a natural reason to kill.

Animals of the same species usually avoid killing each other when they fight. I think a case can be made that murder is a human invention, and is hence not natural.

 

on Nov 05, 2009

10% is very high.  I don't for a moment believe we have 10% homosexuals in our country...as of yet, but would not be surprised to see this number go up as acceptance goes up.  We have Sodom as our example. 

I have a very large Catholic family on both my side and my husband's side of the family.  My grandmother had 10 siblings.  My husband'ss mother had almost that and my husband is one of six.... and then there are many grandchildren and so on. 

Out of both of our families thru the years we have had only one homosexual family member.  So I tell others to look at their families, do some simple math and see what kind of percentage they come up with.  I'll bet you dollars to donuts you will not see 10 family members out of 100 that are homosexual. 

 

 

on Nov 05, 2009

ParaTed2k
Leuki, so if a pedophile lived in a society where it is not taboo, would that mean that sex with kids is normal for that person?  If the society was one where people start having kids shortly after puberty, would sex between the pedophile adult and adolescent be considered harmful?

Leauki wrote:

That's what it was like in ancient Greece.

What you are referring to is pederasty, which is not the same as pedophilia. LINK to the wikipedia article.

on Nov 05, 2009

10% is very high.  I don't for a moment believe we have 10% homosexuals in our country...as of yet, but would not be surprised to see this number go up as acceptance goes up.  We have Sodom as our example. 

I really don't know the exact number.

However, do note that other cities in Canaan probably had the same number of homosexuals among their population. G-d never did go around destroying cities because of the genetics of their inhabitants.

 

I have a very large Catholic family on both my side and my husband's side of the family.  My grandmother had 10 siblings.  My husband'ss mother had almost that and my husband is one of six.... and then there are many grandchildren and so on. 

Out of both of our families thru the years we have had only one homosexual family member.  So I tell others to look at their families, do some simple math and see what kind of percentage they come up with.  I'll bet you dollars to donuts you will not see 10 family members out of 100 that are homosexual.

I don't know how many homosexuals notice their condition and then admit it to others, especially in an environment like your family.

But I have seen pictures of gay pride parades that were attended by quite many homosexuals. So their percentage among the general population must be somewhat greater than the percentage of bus drivers. That makes them normal enough for me.

I understand that albinism has a prevalance of 1/17,000 in a human population. I would say that albinos are not normal (although natural). Homosexuals are a lot more common, probably reaching at least 1/1000, very likely 1/100, probably 10/100, and possibly higher.

A British government statistic says it's 6%.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1505277/Six-per-cent-of-population-are-gay-or-lesbian-according-to-Whitehall-figures.html

I would call that normal. Natural blond haircolour is rarer, but also a normal haircolour.

 

on Nov 05, 2009

What you are referring to is pederasty, which is not the same as pedophilia. LINK to the wikipedia article.

Some researchers make a distinction, some do not. It's irrelevant here as either concept would have made the same point.

Pedophilia is probably pederasty in a society where it is not considered normal to have such relations with children.

Or is the difference about the age? Pedophilia being to 11 and pederasty starting at 11 and older? It doesn't matter for this purpose.

on Nov 05, 2009

I doesn't matter for the debate. But pederasty in ancient greece was a huge part of their culture and had it's own strict rules and social etiquette. I just thought it would be OK to know the correct term when talking about it and knowing what it actually was in its cultural historic context. It is arbitrary knowledge though, like an extended footnote.

on Nov 05, 2009

So their percentage among the general population must be somewhat greater than the percentage of bus drivers.

well maybe if we had bus driver parades you might reconsider!   

btw...I had one bus driver in the family as well.  So for me looking at my numbers in my family they would be equal in number. 

 

on Nov 05, 2009

You can probably explain to a very intelligent ape that homosexual sex won't produce children. But he won't care when the urge hits him.

Bad example. There's no shortage of female apes.

on Nov 05, 2009

What a genius this guy is.

If I'm a genius, why would I waste my time with you people?

on Nov 05, 2009

Bad example. There's no shortage of female apes.

Why would the number of female apes be relevant?

 

btw...I had one bus driver in the family as well.  So for me looking at my numbers in my family they would be equal in number. 

Did you tell your bus driver that he wasn't normal because he's a bus driver?

 

on Nov 05, 2009

Why would the number of female apes be relevant?

I've just never heard of homosexual apes. Other animals, yes, but not apes. Maybe the closeness to humans is relevant, Evolution-wise?

on Nov 05, 2009

I've just never heard of homosexual apes. Maybe the closeness to humans is relevant, Evolution-wise?

I don't know if it developed in the common ancestor or whether it developed independently later. Perhaps it existed in an ancestor and was dormant until it resurfaced in the different species again.

 

Apes:

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/opinion/gayanimals030707-4

 

Monkies (close enough):

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/opinion/gayanimals030707-8

 

I don't think we can be sure that they don't know that these acts don't produce offspring. They seem to do it for specific reasons that are not a want for offspring.

 

on Nov 05, 2009

Everything that happens a lot in a given population (of animals or humans) is "normal".

We'll just have to disagree here. By your reasoning (and you're entitled) the cases listed below are normal, because it "happens a lot"

"About 120,000 babies (1 in 33) in the United States are born each year with birth defects" reference March of Dimes Link 

If we change the statement about to reflect your definition it would read"

"About 120,000 babies (1 in 33) in the United States are born each year just as normal as the other 4.2 million"

I know you gave humans and animals as an example, but suppose you bought a product and it didn't work as designed. You might call it defective, especially if it performed the opposite function of its intended design, at any rate you wouldn't suggest it was normal. Although if you were told to expect that result, through experience constantly encounter that result, or hope for that result with all your heart, you might believe it's normal

Here's to beliefs

If it's normal why aren't more people gay. In fact why isn't everyone gay? Simple, because that would interfere with normal reproduction and the end of the species. IMO a life form that can't perpetuate itself through reproduction of some sort is an anomaly. You can change my mind when you produce the first gay couple that reproduce naturally, without assistance. I'll be the first to say I was wrong, as I'm sure many other will as well. Until then you can believe as you wish. I view the actual condition and seeking of rights, privileges and interests as two separate issues. The first is scientific and the second appears largely seated in the economic arena. You can throw love and devotion in there, but nobody needs a piece of paper for that.

on Nov 05, 2009

I'm not sure that monkeys are close enough.

I don't think we can be sure that they don't know that these acts don't produce offspring. They seem to do it for specific reasons that are not a want for offspring.

Those are females.

 

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