This is all I know right now. 

Let's see how much attention the regular media does with this story. 

Poor guy....  RIP 

Personally, I care more about the abortion doctors who people like him murdered while preaching the sanctity of life.

now I think this is not only a very crass thing to say but it's very very cold and is indictative of your cold heart. 

People like him? 

KFC, cnn has a story about this case: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/11/michigan.shooting/index.html

I like how they label him as ant-abortionist.  This is statement is true but it has a negative affect which is why they didn't put pro-life because it would have a positive affect.  That's all psychological.

So infidel, are you saying that a doctor's life is more valuable than an unborn infant? Murder is murder and both are are wrong.

Nothing wrong with saying that. But the issue here was not doctor vs unborn.

That's exactly right and is done on purpose. 

No I think he's saying a pro-abortionist's life is more important that a pro-lifer's life is. 

I remember when that latest abortion doctor was killed the pro-lifers immediately came on record as condemning the shooter not praising him for what he did.  I also remember the abortion providers and supporters linked the pro-life shooter to all pro-lifers in general.  Pretty much what Infidel just did. 

Now that the other shoe dropped are the abortionists and supporters going to admit they are cut from the same cloth as that shooter who killed the pro-lifer?  Are they going to condemn the shooter like the pro-lifers did when the doctor was killed? 

Well given Infidel's response...not likely. 

There's a name for that. 

Well I think there is something wrong with saying that. 

Two wrongs don't make a right.  I condemn any murder... whether its an infant, a so-called "doctor" or an activist, its still a murder,  and its wrong. I imagine thats the sane view.

No, KFC. We don't know whether unborn children have a soul. We just believe they do. If somebody disagrees with that, there is nothing wrong with him or his opinion. It's totally different from someone thinking that abortion doctors are better than pro-lifers.

There is nothing wrong with believing that unborn children, sufficiently young, are not human beings (yet). It's simply a different faith. The belief could be wrong, but believing it is not.

They won't. They will use any case of some nutter killing an abortion doctor as proof that the pro-life crowd are dangerous fanatics and they will ignore any incident of nutters killing life advocates.

Their entire propaganda depends on the discussion being between religious fundamentalists and sane people. If the discussion was perceived to be between two groups of sane people, they would lose, because the pro-life crowd have the cute babies.

I'm not all that interested in opinion mostly because they're like pennies...they're everywhere.  I'm more interested in fact and truth.  I can't argue with opinion.  But...his opinion can be wrong you know. 

When you say "we" are you talking me and you?  Do you believe they have a soul?  If they have a beating heart could they have a soul?  How long does it take for the first heartbeat? 

I suppose.  But you do want to be right don't you??? 

You're darn tootin'

This wasn't murder, just a late term abortion. Perfectly legal ya know.

I do believe they have a soul, although I don't know at what point they do.

I am positive that by the last third of pregnancy they do because at that point there is no relevant biological difference between the born and the unborn.

It's the first third where I am not sure and understand it if someone disagrees.

Then we agree.  Of course only God knows the exact point but I think about David and what he said in Psalm 139 so I'm thinking that  the soul is placed in the womb maybe as early as conception itself.  I'm sure many automatically believe that to be true, I would have to agree with you we can't be absolutely sure.  Although I would lean that way mostly because I think it's more about the spiritual than the physical.  Our physical self is nothing more than a tent covering for who we really are, spiritual beings. 

I'm specifically looking at this:

"For you have possessed my reins (inward parts) ; you have covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made marvellous are your works and that my soul knoweth right well.  My substance was not hid from you when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."  139:13-15

the lowest part of the earth is an allusion to the womb as mysterious as the underworld. 

You make many fallacies, cheif among them:

1. That every pro lifer beleives in murdering doctors.

2. That this particular pro lifer is somehow related or similar to doctor murderers

3. That their view is entirely without merit and unborn human babies have no right to life.

This is a thorny issue because you have a baby's inalienable right to life, clashing with a mother inalienable right to her body. Compounded by the issues of rape, incest, teen pregnancy, unsuitable drug addled whores as a mother, the results of focing a woman to raise an unwanted child (on the child and later on society as that child is unleashed on it), and so on. This is the one and only, and I do mean that literally, issue which I do not have a simple solution to that anyone with half a brain should grasp.

Finally, you do this in the most inappropriate of ways and just come off as a total asshole, way to go. Just so you know, no matter how much I disagree with some people here, this is the first time I used the blacklist option.