With Full Assurance
Published on June 26, 2009 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

"Freedom comes from knowing the truth.  Bondage results from missing it."

I read those words recently from a well known Pastor.  I thought, "Ain't that the truth?" 

Someone here on JU asked me recently how I can "know" that I'm going to heaven since he believes we really can't know for sure.  I refuted that, because I do absolutely know for sure I'm going to heaven.  I have been set free from that doubt of not knowing. 

There are some religious groups out there that teach you can't be sure.  One teaches the best time to die is when you're walking out of a confession booth.  That would be the only time you can be sure of your salvation.  How sad.

I say nonsense.  All a bunch of nonsense. It's a man-made teaching. They are teaching fear and guilt to keep you in line.  That's all that is. Some call it brainwashing.  I agree.   If I must do or not do something to keep from losing my salvation, then salvation would have to be by faith and works.  Keeps me coming!! 

It's the works part, these religious organizations are most after.  If they can convince you of this, you will continue to work and work and work for the church to ensure that your ticket to the hereafter is secure. 

Nonesense.   I believe this type of teaching is exactly why so many are dissatisfied with organized religion.  I don't blame them one bit.  Someday, the leaders in these churches will have alot to answer for.  With much responsibility comes much accountability. 

So what is at stake?  Many things.  Peace, assurance, joy, love for instance.  They all are related.  If you don't have assurance of God's acceptance you can't have peace and without peace you can have no joy.  A person with no peace is really motivated by fear.  Fear and love don't match up well. 

John said this:

"These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life."  1 John 5:13

Think about it.   If Christ came to seek and save the lost wouldn't it have been wise on God's part to snatch us to heaven right then, the moment we are saved in order to insure we make it?  Otherwise God is taking a great risk  forcing us to stay here and walk thru a very sinful world.  Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that "bad company corrupts good character."  We all know there's plenty of bad characters around us every day. 

Another thing to think about.  If we don't have this assurance, peace, and joy because it's replaced by fear in losing our salvation doesn't that spill over to worry?  Didn't Jesus tell us worrying is a sin?  Didn't Paul tell us to be anxious over nothing?  How can we reconcile these things if God is holding our ticket to heaven over our heads in the hopes we are good little boys and girls.  If we mess up.....oh well.  Ticket rescinded.

No, the only way we can have the peace and joy and assurance is to believe Christ when he said those that come to him can have eternal life.  When we come to him, he says, we can have life more abundantly.  This is not the same type of life the world offers.  But if we tell others that we can't be sure of our eternal security then it's no diff than what the world offers.  Who wants that?   The world offers, fear, worry, anxiety and hate.  Who needs that? 

Salvation has to be by faith alone.  Once good works are introduced into the salvation process then it gets all chaotic and complicated.  It is no longer by faith alone but by faith and works and to say that is to take the daily burden of our salvation upon ourselves.  Then you have to ask, why did Jesus come to die?  Didn't he take this burden from off our shoulders?  Didn't he carry it instead?   If we believe our salvation is determined by our works, it pretty much contradicts just about every doctrine in scripture spoken by Christ and written down by the Apostles. 

Think about this.  If our salvation is not secure how could Jesus say "they will never perish?"  (John 10:28) If we receive eternal life but then forfeited it thru sin, either by not doing what we should do or doing what we shouldn't do, will we not perish?   By doing so, don't we make Jesus words to be a lie, null and void?   Didn't he die for our sins, past, present and future?  I believe he did. 

I guess it really comes down to trust and commitment.  Jesus is calling us to do more than just believe in his existence.  He's calling us to put our trust in him, in his words and in his death in exchange for our sins.  That's it.  Even a child can understand this. 

"Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."  Romans 5:1

"But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is recokoned as righteousness."  Romans 4:5.

 

 

 


Comments (Page 9)
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on Jul 13, 2009

People kill themselves for all sorts of reasons.

What all those reasons boil down to is: God tested those people too many times.

on Jul 13, 2009

Yes, it is, if said Christian has his own interests in mind rather than God's.

If serving God, giving glory to God, et al. is in their interest/desired goal - then yes - they're being selfish.Obviously their desired goal is to give glory to God, then that is still them serving their interests or goals.

 

Well, I for one would not say that. It is quite possible for Christians to have their priorities wrong. We're no better than anyone else.

 

You know, that is quite refreshing to hear.

Mind clarifying? I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you mean, that or what I believe you're saying is accurate and I'm just unsure.

Because Scientology has to be the most B.S. "religion" there is.

 

Why is that? I've found it to be fairly valid; weird yeah, but no different than say mormanism, catholicism, taoism, etc.

 

on Jul 13, 2009

A man had a grandfather clock. One day he felt sorry for the grandfather clock because it had a weight on it, and that weight was always pulling on the clock. The man said, “Oh, Mr. Clock, you’ve held this weight so long; I’m going to remove it and let you rest.” The clock protested, saying, “Don’t take that weight from me. That’s what keeps me going.” In the same way, the trials and tests of life are there for your endurance. They’re to keep you going, keep you trusting, keep you praying, and keep you depending upon God.

 

Interesting story. I've been reading this book that covers moving on from things in life, and this almost sounds like a analogy/parable for those who go through life still attached to things. They are so caught up in these incidents that if they are brought out of them - they panic. They've been "in" them so long, it becomes a security blanket.

 

Be well, ~Alderic

on Jul 13, 2009

You know, that is quite refreshing to hear.

Mind clarifying? I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you mean, that or what I believe you're saying is accurate and I'm just unsure

Christians are humans.  They're not perfect you know.  Remember the kid from Brown University who went to LIberty and found that out?  Obviously sometimes they slip up and do things for their own glory forgetting whom they really are working for.  That's the whole point behind that story in  Corinthians 3 of wood, hay & stubble in contrast to gold and silver. 

If serving God, giving glory to God, et al. is in their interest/desired goal - then yes - they're being selfish.Obviously their desired goal is to give glory to God, then that is still them serving their interests or goals.

that doesn't even make sense.  We're not selfish when we do things for God rather than ourselves.  For instance....I may really want to go shopping.  But instead I know my neighbor needs me to help her so I sacrifice my plans for hers.  The whole idea is to be dead to self and live for God. 

What all those reasons boil down to is: God tested those people too many times.

no, he only tests his own; those who belong to him.  Like I said, most who take their lives do not have a relationship with God.  If they did, they wouldn't have taken their lives knowing that God only is the giver and taker of life, not man.   God offers hope and they left this world hopeless.

 Those who don't belong to God belong to Satan.  There are two fathers.  One of this world and one in heaven.  Those who are not related to God (spiritually) belong to this world and the god of this world.  The god of this world whispers in the ears of his own "it's all about you."  Just like he die with Eve in the garden.  That's his favorite lie because it works so well. 

 

 

on Jul 13, 2009

Why is that? I've found it to be fairly valid; weird yeah, but no different than say mormanism, catholicism, taoism, etc.

they are all different Lucas.  Mormanism isn't even close to Catholicism and Catholicism isn't close to taoism etc.  I agree with Infidel on this one. 

on Jul 13, 2009

Why is that? I've found it to be fairly valid; weird yeah, but no different than say mormanism, catholicism, taoism, etc.

L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer.

on Jul 13, 2009

no, he only tests his own; those who belong to him.

So misfortunes that befall non-believers aren't tests? They look the same.

on Jul 13, 2009

that doesn't even make sense. We're not selfish when we do things for God rather than ourselves. For instance....I may really want to go shopping. But instead I know my neighbor needs me to help her so I sacrifice my plans for hers. The whole idea is to be dead to self and live for God.

Is that not your desire? To live for God? To glorify him, etc.?

 

they are all different Lucas. Mormanism isn't even close to Catholicism and Catholicism isn't close to taoism etc. I agree with Infidel on this one.

 I don't feel like going back over the perception and differences debate we had, so let it suffice to say: "To each their own path and way; may their journey be safe and full and gentle - do no harm."

 

Christians are humans. They're not perfect you know. Remember the kid from Brown University who went to LIberty and found that out? Obviously sometimes they slip up and do things for their own glory forgetting whom they really are working for. That's the whole point behind that story in Corinthians 3 of wood, hay & stubble in contrast to gold and silver.

 

Indeed, everyone is human.

on Jul 13, 2009

L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer.

 

Your point? Jesus was a carpenter (slightly tongue in cheek there). Mohammed was many things. Confucious was a philosopher.

What one thing gives any religion its validity? You and others like you may find them absurd, and that's all well and good - but does that mean they're...stupid? (for want of a better term)

To each their own.

 

Be well, ~Alderic

on Jul 13, 2009

What about this example? Someone with a serious illness goes to a preacher with a reputation for healing people. The person isn't healed. The preacher says it's because their faith wasn't strong enough.

Your point? Jesus was a carpenter (slightly tongue in cheek there). Mohammed was many things. Confucious was a philosopher. What one thing gives any religion its validity? You and others like you may find them absurd, and that's all well and good - but does that mean they're...stupid? (for want of a better term) To each their own.

If you take the writings of a science fiction writer as fact, you're even more gullible than Christians.

on Jul 13, 2009

Infidel, my point is...to each their own. Each person will find their own faith or lack thereof. People like you and I may think they're nuts, or borderline...whatever, but that's their choice. It's my view that faith is valid to each specific person. So, to say that one or another religion is stupid or whatever - means you're not seeing it from the individual's perspective.

 

 

Be well, ~Alderic

on Jul 14, 2009

What about this example? Someone with a serious illness goes to a preacher with a reputation for healing people. The person isn't healed. The preacher says it's because their faith wasn't strong enough.

Are you asking me?  The preacher is giving bad information. Not only that, but a preacher cannot heal people.  Only God can.  This preacher is basing his ministry on a health and wealth gospel which is a false gospel.  What about Job?  His faith was very strong and yet look at his misfortune.  Joseph? Daniel?  Paul?  Same thing.  Sometimes God doesn't want a person healed.  Did you know that not one bad thing is written about Joseph, Daniel or Jesus yet all three faithful men went thru much adversity?    On sickness we see  in 2 Timothy 4 Paul said this about his faithful friend:

"Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick." 

Paul was a great healer, but for some reason God didn't allow Paul to heal Trophimus.  Serving God does not come with guarantees that we will survive every adversity unscathed.  Nor does it mean that we will always survive.  It could be God's plan to glorify Himself through our martyrdom or through our deliverance.  The saying goes, "the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church" because many faithful stayed faithful to God right up to their deaths even taking the place of others in death.  The church grows stronger thru adversity than it does thru the good times. 

What one thing gives any religion its validity? You and others like you may find them absurd, and that's all well and good - but does that mean they're...stupid? (for want of a better term)

Christianity is not just one among many religions.  Christianity stands unique among all the world's religious systems because its founder, Jesus Christ is the Son of God.  He came to earth to reveal God to us in human form.  This is true of no other religion.  

A Christian is not someone who simply attends church, tries to be good on his own or attempts to build up merit before God.  Rituals and good deeds will not make you a Christian; you need a personal relationship with Christ.  All religions are based on a works based system.  Christianity is unique in that it's based on a relationship not religiousity. 

So misfortunes that befall non-believers aren't tests? They look the same.

rain falls on the just and the unjust. 

 

on Jul 14, 2009

The preacher is giving bad information. Not only that, but a preacher cannot heal people. Only God can. This preacher is basing his ministry on a health and wealth gospel which is a false gospel.

What if that preacher has supposedly healed other people? So you think those are all lies? You don't believe that God can work through a person in that way? Wouldn't that be one of those good works?

What is this "false gospel"? Which gospel is false?

on Jul 14, 2009

Supposedly healed?  Lies?  Yes, sometimes.  It's a great business you know.  I'm a Pastor's wife. Believe me I've seen my share of imposters!   Of course, I don't know whom you're speaking of so I'm just speaking generally here. 

But if any pastor is claiming to heal people himself.  Run.  If any pastor is claiming a man doesn't get healed because he doesn't have enough faith?  Run!  Because he's gone outside of scriptures to make these claims.  In other words he's got his own business going. 

Let's just say....if you're inclined to give money or believe in this stuff...beware. 

 

on Jul 14, 2009

Let's just say....if you're inclined to give money or believe in this stuff...beware.

Not me.

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