Ock, they didn't have pictures in Jesus's day but I'm sure you already knew this?  I hope. 

Jesus said, "when you see me, you see the Father." 

God is spirit, but Christ came in the flesh.  He's God in the flesh.  I've got pictures of Christ but, of course, I couldn't fool you by putting them on here now could I? 

testing....

ok....kfc....one problem with your whole premise...it isn't at all what we discussed (yeah folks, i'm the "someone") 

what i questioned was your ability to know for someone else. knowing for yourself is entirely different. i know for myself as i have heard you say about yourself. i don't question that whatsoever.

and none of your lil quotes address knowing for someone else.

your argument is the definition of a strawman. you create an argument that never existed and then proceeed to knock it down...big whoop. 

again, i questioned how you could definitively "know" for someone else...and in the example cited, someone you had a superficial, at best, relationship with. 

i also questioned your use of someone else's death to preach your beliefs in an underhanded way. 

when falwell died i defended you against people who used his death and your blog to promote their own beliefs and do what they could, some blatantly, some with moe tact, to knock him down. and all i did here was call you out for doing the same thing they did to you.

and here you are jumping thru hoops to twist things into a context where you can "win the argument."

i could care less about winning anything...heck, the people who run this site have already "put the fix in, in advance" by just arbitrarily censoring my words and blocking me from writing when they want (like now, again, even though i haven't written a thing on my own blog yet...being banned before i write anything ,,,,,bahahahaha...this is how you treat your paying customers, eh?))...with all the maturity of my 4 year old....so that's not an issue.   

but don't twist what i said into something i didn't then proceed to make a self ego boosting all righteous diatribe about it. 

it's not honest, and it is hardly "Godly" and both of us know it.

wow!   Wow!!!  You sure are full of yourself aren't you Sean?  You weren't the someone.  It was Charles. 

So no kidding... it wasn't what WE discussed. 

So you can take back what you just wrote now. 

Although, he makes a point... we can't really tell for certain whether or not someone else is saved.

Generally it is clear based on the actions of the person in question - i.e. you can usually tell when someone is not a Christian, however just because they seem to be a Christian doesn't mean they are.  Conversely, just because they don't seem to be saved doesn't mean they aren't.

However there are also a few things which pretty much certify that a person is not saved.  One of these would be professing atheism.

He's talking about another conversation that I had with him.  In that conversation he demanded that I put on the same spiritual playing field a person who spent his whole life, scandal free, working for God, bold in his witness even to the point that the world hated him with another person who neither showed nor gave God glory for his life's work and was not scandal free.   From my POV, I saw one as getting glory from God and another glory from the world.  Jesus said about the latter "they have their reward."  We either work for God and his glory or we work for man and man's glory. 

The media seemed to proved this out by their lack of and total all out coverage from one to the other. 

the bible says the spirit bears witness.  So while you're right in a sense in another the spirit gives us peace and unity with other believers.  There are many out there who are PROfessing Christians not POsessing Christians.  There is a diff.  But just like Peter spotted Simeon in the book of Acts as one who was a pretender I think the spirit gives us that discernment as well.  These professors may be able to fool the world and even some of the weaker Christians but the closer we get to God the easier it gets to recognize those that are not his.  It's like you know who your own brother is and who is not. 

I've met other believers and in an instant knew they were godly men and women.  You can see Christ all over and thru them.  I've met others that I wasn't so sure and after watching them over a period of time either have to say they are either very weak in their faith or are professors of the faith only.  We are all so diff.  Some take a while to walk straight and sure and others start running the race of faith immediately. 

I remember having a conversation with my grandmother about a certain president.  She said,  to appease me, that he was a Christian.  I said, very early on in his presidency that I didn't see any evidence that he was.  She would point to his going to church with a bible under his arm.  I told her that meant nothing.  I was looking for integrity for one thing.  There are many people in church that are not Christians but only pretend to be like Simeon.    Only God knows for absolute sure but Jesus said you know a tree by the fruit it bears. 

In all things, spiritual or physcial,  the closer you are to the truth, the quicker you can spot the lie. 

Right, this is what I meant.  Generally speaking you can tell to a certain degree.

However, you don't know for certain either.  A lot of seemingly charismatic people are actually involved in the whole panetheism/panentheism thing and just deceived.  Just take a look at people like Rob Bell - he pastors one of the largest and most successful churches in the nation, but he is nothing but a false teacher.

So maybe the question should be, how can you tell how much of a balance they have with the man upstairs?  Do they build with good materials that will survive the fire, or will they merely escape and suffer a great loss?

Yes, things made of wood, hay, and straw are nothing and things made of precious metals and stones are everything. After all, who needs a well insulated house, a roof over their heads, and feed for their livestock when they have crafted wonderful jewelry, perhaps a crown for their king, or maybe even a gold jewel-encrusted cross for their church. What better way to glorify the name of God than through shiny objects? You know, if I were religious, I'd hope God valued the works that have no "material" to show for them, like wounds healed, smiles and laughter given freely to those who need them most, and the end result of a much needed meal (ok, there is "material" to show for that last one but not material that we wanna see).

Also, I say cover that hut of wood and straw in mud and maybe it won't burn before the crown melts.

The materials mentioned there are not physical, it's a metaphor for the quality of the works which a person performs for Christ.

exactly and how do you know this?  Just like you know he's false; a wolf in sheep's clothing, so too can you recognize the true sheep.  To me the pastors of the biggest churches most of the time are not the ones I think of when I think of the most Godly men out there.

no, if you read the last line you can see that even though all his works were burned up because they were inferior he still entered heaven...not the best way to enter heaven but heaven can't be bought.   That was the whole point with Martin Luther leaving the RCC.  People were being told they had to buy their way in via indulgences. 

The best thing one can hear upon entering the Kingdom of Heaven is "well done good and faithful servant."  So this passage you're referring has to do with works and the rewards that follow them. 

I've got a feeling I already know your answer, given my experience in...debating with you, but I'm still interested.I'd like to pose a series of questions to you KFC.

What if there was no God? What if everything the Bible (etc.) said was false/man made myth?

Be well, ~Alderic

jerry falwell was "scandal free???????????????" are you kidding me?

and in our conversations...you did claim to "know" for other people...as you do here as well. you pass judgement on other people and on various religious leaders.

i take nothing back. if you and charles had a sim. conversation as you and i did...then fine...but my confusion over the annonymous person you were referring to aside, i don't take anything i said back. you are stating many of the same things here as you did in our conversation in the "goodbye michael and farrah" thread.

but don't worry...like charles and others, you can have my words wiped from joeuser with a simple request as i am the source of all evil according to joeuser. and of course, they won't let me write anything on my own blog...i guess that was just an island dog taunt. 

He's right, Fallwell had issues:

http://www.lushforlife.com/news/jerry-falwell-involved-in-pornography-scandal/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10188427

What if there is? 

I've read the bible many many times and do on a daily basis.  I can tell you with absolutely no doubt that there can be no way this can be made up without going into much detail.  But there's just no way. 

I know his wife, his kids and his grandkids.  He was a devoted father and husband.  That's what I was referring to.  There was no drug, alcohol, extra marital affairs etc that the media could find so they looked for every little thing they could to take him down because Jerry was outspoken and not PC.  By a long shot.  He had just as big and emotional funeral as MJ did.  He was very loved by thousands of people.  But it wasn't televised was it? Nope, not even a portion of it.    But I did see it and it was very touching and appropriate.  Even his enemies in the political realm came out and said that even tho they had disagreements with him he was always gracious and kind to them. 

it sounds like you have issues...I have no idea what you're referring to here. 

I only wipe out words if they are vulgar and since you've been pretty clean in your insulting of me, they will stand.