Amen.    Yes, and I've already told him that even Peter wrote that Paul's writings were to be put up with the other scriptures.  Paul's many miracles and tribulations were recorded by Luke and since the rest of the Apostles accepted him as authoratative why shouldn't we? 

You keep quoting scripture out of context.  It's hard not only to keep up with you but it seems to do me no good to explain these things because you are not accepting of scripture really.  You just want your ears tickled. 

Sorry but I'm not very good at that.  I'm more than willing to explain and teach because I believe that's where God has gifted me but I'm not so sure you're really interested in THE truth. 

The Kingdom of God is Christ.  He is the Kingdom.  The Kingdom was right in front of them.  It's not about where we worship or where we'll end up so much as it's about who we worship and who will be with us. 

Jesus also said to not give that which is holy to the dogs because they will only trample upon it.  I believe that's where Jythier is coming from when he quoted Paul in the book of Titus. 

Jythier:  I did warn him once and I will count this as the second warning. 

I'm more concerned, KFC, with you wasting YOUR time on worthless, useless things.

It may be useless, but there is no way to know for sure until it's been done.

Why not? 

Because Jesus didn't.  Jesus did not choose Paul, and Paul was living while Jesus was living.  Oh, by the way........how did Peter write that Paul's writings were to be put up if Peter was as you were so quick and eager to point out earlier, an ignorant illiterate nobody?  Obviously he couldn't write a thing if he couldn't write at all.  And before you give me this scribe thing...........let me inform you of something, if you can't read you don't know if what you've said is written down as you dictate it.

Paul never followed in Jesus's footsteps, for him as for you, it just wasn't convenient, it required sacrifice and reliance on God.  None of which he could give.  No wonder you quote him more than Jesus, Jesus is just too hard.  Jesus demands too much.

Yes, Jesus quoted the OT, and your point is..........?  What?  That you prefer the word of men over the word of Jesus?  You'd be better off if you listen to the man that you call God, and not ordinary men like Paul.  Listening to them is like the blind leading the blind............you'll both fall in a hole.

Want my ears tickled?  You are something else altogether I must say.  Is that the standard flippant answer you give when you feel that your authority is threatened and you can't quote Jesus to prove your own point?   

Nothing is taken out of context, you simply don't like what Jesus says.  It's too demanding for you, far too inconvenient.  You and those like you couldn't possbily ever have to sacrifice anything, couldn't ever have to rely totally on God for everything, could you?  Those words must have been meant for someone else.  Well................they weren't.  They were meant for all, including you and those like you.  Don't take my word for it however, you'll find out for yourself quick enough.  Better yet, ask Jesus, not Paul mind you, not the bible, but Jesus.  You do remember him don't you?

Yes Jesus quoted the OT.................and your point is what?  Is or is not Jesus's word the last word on eveything?  If he's your God, then it must be, and if his word is not the last word, you're a bunch of liars, because he's not your God.

My point was that Jesus obviously considered the Old Testament to be authoritative, since He quoted it rather than corrected it - which flies in the face of your "only Jesus's words" theology.

You're really coming off like a self-righteous snob here, like the Pharisees, and you of all people should know how much Jesus liked their attitude.

again, as you take scripture out of context you also twist my words.  I never said that. 

since you seem to like Peter and agree he was chosen by Christ, did you not know he said the following giving the OT prophets and NT Appostles equal authority:

"That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the Apostles of the Lord and Saviour"  2 Peter 3:2

and this is the last straw Whisper.  I'll leave you with the scripture reading I just happened to read this morning taken from Proverbs 26 (today's date)

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him....as a dog returns to his vomit so a fool returns to his folly." 

Jesus didn't write His own words down.

good point. No, he didn't.  And Mark wrote his gospel thru the eyes of Peter as he traveled with Peter later on. 

I was just reading Mark, thinking, who the heck is Mark?

Also known as John Mark.  Mark was the one who had a beef with Paul in the book of Acts so much so that it split Paul and Barnabas up because John Mark was his relative.  So Barnabas went one way with John Mark and Paul took Luke...and the rest is history (literally).   See Col 4:10 and 1 Peter 5:13 for background info as well as Acts. 

The Gospel of Mark is also known as the gospel of Action as Peter was known as a man of action. 

Peter. Saint Peter.

??

Did you not know all Christians are considered Saints according to the scriptures? 

"again, as you take scripture out of context you also twist my words.  I never said that."

Oh no? 

"Peter was a fisherman with little to no book learning. "

Guess you did.

I do not take scriputre out of context, I simply don't rewrite it, nor do I take it in the manner that is the most convenient and the most undemanding for me as you seem to do.

Not one apostle is of any importance at all other than the fact that they were present with Jesus and were able to relate his words and trachings.  I think that in your ardor for Paul you've forgotten just who's words are of importance........and they aren't Pauls, nor any other apostle.

I am well aware of what Peter did, and as I said before.......Peter caved in to peer pressure.  Just as he caved when he denied Jesus.

"That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the Apostles of the Lord and Saviour"  2 Peter 3:2

Yes, Peter always had an ego of enormous proportions, not to mention a quick temper, but what has this to do with Paul, who was not a chosen apostle?  Try to remember if you can, that the apostles were nothing more than men.  Men who were chosen by Jesus to receive special knowledge from him..............not because they were unique, or special, or wonderful, or educated, but simply because they were ready.

"and this is the last straw Whisper.  I'll leave you with the scripture reading I just happened to read this morning taken from Proverbs 26 (today's date)

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him....as a dog returns to his vomit so a fool returns to his folly." 

Don't lay this "fool" crap on me KFC.  It's simply an evasion to my prevous post to you about just who is your God.  Which by the way I noticed that you bothered not to answer.  You are as transparent as glass.  But yes, as a dog returns to it's vomit a fool will return to his folly, and you will return to yours. 

Read your book, and sit on your unearned laurels.  The book won't aid you because you have no experience on which to draw that allows for understanding of the words of Jesus.  You won't walk his path, nor take his words to heart..............even though you are perfectly capable of doing so.  His words were meant for others not you.  You've already earned your spot.....................and in thinking that dear woman............you've already lost.

You do take scripture out of context and do rewrite it.  Yes, I said Peter was a fisherman with little to no book learning.  You accused me as saying this: 

so you did take and twist my words.  Where did I say he was ignorant?  Illiterate nobody? 

To clarify let's look and see what the scriptures say outside of the fact that he was a fisherman.  Maybe that will help you. 

"When they saw the courage of Peter and John (under the direction of the Holy Spirit) and realized that they were unschooled ordinary men, they were astonished and they took not that these men had been with Jesus."    Acts 4:13

So to answer your question...

thru the power of the Holy Spirit. 

Wow...good going KFC...over 500 really interesting comments....great topic.

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Really? So, then in essence, you have already judged yourself and dispensed with God's judment of the state of your immortal soul at your death.

Scripture refutes your assertion repeating Protestant reformation theology that you can know for sure you are going to Heaven) and rather tells us that God is our Judge and we will pay for our sins down "to the last farthing".

Again..and I can't repeat this enough....This idea of "eternal security" i e that a "born again" believer can know for sure that he will go to heaven is false and dangerous thinking.

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Here's the Biblical truth...We baptized Christians are being saved as we are to heed St.Paul's warning to be obedient and to work out our salvation with fear and trembling Phil. 2:13; 1St.Peter1: 8-9. Trusting solely in God's grace, I pray that I will be saved 1Cor. 3:15, by remaining in the state of grace and friendship with Him ( that is by being obedient to God's will and commands) until the end of my life. St.Matt. 24:13; Rom. 11:22.

Scripture also teaches that one's final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death as "there shall not enter into it (heaven) anything defiled." Apoc. 21:25. So, one who dies in the state of grace will go to heaven, but one who dies in the state of enmity and rebellion against God (that is in the state of grevious sin) will go to Hell.

Furthermore, St. Paul teaches "the wages of sin is death" Rom. 6:23. That's why Saint Paul warned the Phillipians to be obedient and to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. If St.Paul had believed as you apparently do--that we can know with full assurance,---then he would not have said this.

And Jesus Himself tells us "He who endures to the end will be saved." St.Matt. 24:13; 25:31-46.

So here alone, Scripture tells us our individual salvation depends upon our being "obedient" and enduring (in faith and charity) to the end.

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On the contrary, it's you KFC, saying------I can "know" that I'm going to heaven since he believes we really can't know for sure. I refuted that, because I do absolutely know for sure I'm going to heaven. ----who is in disagreement with Our Lord, Jesus Christ, and Sts. Peter and Paul.

KFC posts:

All baptized Christians have what is called a moral assurance, though not an absolute one. We can't know with absolute assuredness we are going to Heaven with this passage..it does provide us with confidence and a lively hope.

Hope and belief in the promises of Christ of eternal life to those who believe and love Him and keep His commands.

We ourselves are quite capable of throwing away our inheritance and opportunity for salvation, if we throw away His love and turn away from Him.

kfc posts:

When one puts Scripture all together, one realizes that St.Paul teaches 2 dimensions of salvation...predestination and free will. Regarding what you said and is highlighted----We both know Calvin and Luther's views which teach that God actively intervenes in the lives of the elect to make absolutely sure they are saved. Again, it's wrong and dangerous to believe their view which in effect is a repeat of the Pelagius heresy.

 In St.John 6:37; 44-45, Jesus states clearly that it is the Father who initiates the salvation process. The Father must draw to Jesus those whom He wills to be saved. (But this does not exclude our free will.) For at the same time, Jesus specifies that each person has the choice to "listen" to the "teaching of God". When they "listen" and "learn" they will come to Jesus. Now, this isn't exclusively an irrestible force upon the individual for Jesus is clear in 5:40 that it is the man who decides not to come to God: "These are Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life."  

OK, I've done some research on this word too and it's a long drawn out explanation...it has to do with the Greek second person pluralto be sure St.John often speaks (something like 600 times) of factual knowledge about the Christian faith that can be absolutely known...eg just 2 verses later 1St.John 3:15, "We know that no murderer has eternal life". In 5:20 "we know also that the Son of God has come."

 In any case, St.John is speaking only of persons who possess factual knowledge of the aspects of the Christian faith, and not the indivudual possessing factual certainity of his own salvation without contingencies....read 1St.John 2:20; 21, 29, 3:2; 5, 14, 15; 5:13, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20,

Again, we have been given the moral assurance and can hope with confidence that we will attain Heaven at our judgment but we won't know for sure until we've died, been judged  and told to enter the Heavenly gate.